Baptism

[katie_girl09]

Presenting an opposing view is different than trying to ram it down another's throat with a child like "Nuh uh!" mentality .

That's not fair. I mean, Majic may be insufferably wrong and pig-headed at times. You may even wanna strangle him because you get the feeling that he's arguing with you just to argue. Don't get me started about... ...

Oh yeah! The point is he wasn't doing that here. He was just expressing his opinion and everyone kind of ganged up on him.

 

[Majic Walrus]

That's not fair. I mean, Majic may be insufferably wrong and pig-headed at times. You may even wanna strangle him because you get the feeling that he's arguing with you just to argue. Don't get me started about... ...

Oh yeah! The point is he wasn't doing that here. He was just expressing his opinion and everyone kind of ganged up on him.

...Thanks...

 

[katie_girl09]

Anytime!

 

[theberserker]

... I just think that if my son "wants" to be christian, that should be his choice, not something that is pushed upon him, and done to him without his consent.

Baptism DOES NOT make someone a Christian, it is simply an outward expression of renewal/dedication to God

 

[the dmg]

Ah, the might penis derails yet another thread.

 

[AndThePickles]

Baptizing a child is a Catholic thing...not sure if any other denominations do it. If you aren't Catholic or even religious, don't baptize your kid. Don't let people force you into it, either.

 

[E-Man]

This thread has gone from baptism to circumcision. I might as well add the next best thing.....bear dancing!

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Baptizing a child is a Catholic thing...not sure if any other denominations do it. If you aren't Catholic or even religious, don't baptize your kid. Don't let people force you into it, either.

Baptizing is a Christian thing. Pretty much all denominations carry it out and consider it a sacrament.

 

[AndThePickles]

Baptizing is a Christian thing. Pretty much all denominations carry it out and consider it a sacrament.

I mean specifically as a child in order to protect against "original sin" in case the child died.

As a Christian thing, it's by choice and to publicly represent that you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior.

The only denomination that I know of that insists upon baptism at birth is Catholicism. From what I know of it, Catholics also do not baptize again once a person has become a Christian. But I'm also not that familiar with Catholicism, although I was baptized in a Catholic church as a baby.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Even then it's not just Catholic. Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Methodist also carry out baptism on infants.

 

[AndThePickles]

Ah ha, I didn't realize that so many did. Thanks for the info, I'm always curious about these things

 

[chaseter]

I am curious about girls. Teach me Pickles, teach me.

 

[Addendum]

Billy, go here and get ordained, and baptize him yourself

 

[PemLam]

I mean specifically as a child in order to protect against "original sin" in case the child died.

As a Christian thing, it's by choice and to publicly represent that you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior.

The only denomination that I know of that insists upon baptism at birth is Catholicism. From what I know of it, Catholics also do not baptize again once a person has become a Christian. But I'm also not that familiar with Catholicism, although I was baptized in a Catholic church as a baby.

Even then it's not just Catholic. Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Methodist also carry out baptism on infants.

Episcopals too (the bastard step children of Catholocism). Though Episcopals call it Christening just so they can be different and piss of the Catholics.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Episcopal is part of Anglican.

 

[BillyZaned]

I mean specifically as a child in order to protect against "original sin" in case the child died.

As a Christian thing, it's by choice and to publicly represent that you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior.

The only denomination that I know of that insists upon baptism at birth is Catholicism. From what I know of it, Catholics also do not baptize again once a person has become a Christian. But I'm also not that familiar with Catholicism, although I was baptized in a Catholic church as a baby.

Original Sin? How the hell, can a baby, or a toddler commit a sin bad enough to have god damn them to hell?
I think that is the biggest lload of bull I have ever been told.... my dad told me that, that if my son died earlier, and wasn't baptized, that he would go to hell...

I said "What kind of ****ED UP GOD would do that to a baby, nevermind the fact that a baby has no idea what is going on, but to damn a baby because it's parents didn't have some pastor throw some tap water on his forehead. If that is the real god, send me to hell too, because I ain't bowing to no thing that would do that to a child"

To me, I just see it as a way for the church to get more money... I mean, my parents told me that I would have to make a charitable donation to the church, as well as the pastor...

I was like "for splashing water on his head, I give the kid a bath everyday, and I don't get a charitable donation unless you count him peeing on me"



and how the hell did this thread get hijacked buy Circumsision talk... this is like the third thread I've read that's penis snipping has taken control over...

and for the record, having many relatives within the medical clinic, Circumsisions are a good idea for males.... and most men that don't have them ussualy come from poor backgrounds....

heck, I know guys that were made fun of at school by girls who found out they weren't snipped.... GROSS

but heck, if a guy wants to look like those limmy things that ate Gollum in Kong Kong... god help them

 

[AndThePickles]

Some religious factions believe that everyone is born with "original sin," which is the sin of the human species (think Adam and Eve sinning in the garden of Eden). So the baptizing I guess is supposed to "pardon" this original sin that the baby is born with in case they die, so they will be absolved of their only sin so far in their life.

I don't agree with it at all. I think that if a baby dies unbaptized, God isn't going to condemn it to hell. I don't know of any New Testament Biblical evidence that says you have to baptize babies or they'll go to hell, either.

 

[Mee]

Alright... getting preasure from my family as of late as to WHY I haven't got my 2 year old baptised yet...

I'm a Christian, and I say tell your family to shut up. (not exactly those words)


Your child should choose to be Baptized or not, so I'd say don't do it and just let him grow up. Maybe he chooses it himself, maybe he doesn't. Christening is one thing, but full on Baptisim for someone who didn't decide on it themselves and doesn't know the meaning would be a little silly.

 

[AndThePickles]

I have a question- what specifically is a christening? I'm guessing that's what I had as a baby in a Catholic church, and my mother kept the white dress lol

 

[Mee]

I have a question- what specifically is a christening? I'm guessing that's what I had as a baby in a Catholic church, and my mother kept the white dress lol

It's just saying to people and your church that you're dedicating your child to God, that you'll raise them a certain way, etc etc. Basically.

 

[squeekness]

Alright... getting preasure from my family as of late as to WHY I haven't got my 2 year old baptised yet...

I'm an athiest.... but, I'm not hypocrtical about it, meaning I don't form some strong beleif structure out of having no beliefs....

I just see it as silly.... and don't have the time, nor am willing to take the time to find a church, or join my parents church. They want me too, and it requires going to "classes", chuch events, and SUPRISE, donating money to them... that is the only way to get my son baptized there.

I normally wouldn't care, but it's becoming an issue for basically the whole family, both sides, and i'm sick of hearing about it... and hearing about the "behind our back talk" that everyone seems to be doing... I just think that if my son "wants" to be christian, that should be his choice, not something that is pushed upon him, and done to him without his consent


Can't wait to show the family pictures of him from Halloween, he went as a little devil... lol

I never baptized my daughter either as I wasn't into any particular religion at the time. I have converted since then but my daughter was already grown up. I don't think you should be forced to practice something you don't believe. If your kid is destined to be a Christian, he'll get there on his own and the fact is the baptism he takes then, if he does, will probably be more meaningful than the one you would have given him when he wasn't aware of it. It is my firm belief that no one is denied access to heaven just because they haven't been baptized. That idea has never made any sense to me in light of a good and loving God.

 

[bullets]

I'm a Christian, and I say tell your family to shut up. (not exactly those words)


Your child should choose to be Baptized or not, so I'd say don't do it and just let him grow up. Maybe he chooses it himself, maybe he doesn't. Christening is one thing, but full on Baptisim for someone who didn't decide on it themselves and doesn't know the meaning would be a little silly.

That's exactly the reason, dipping a baby in water negates the purpose of baptism and if someone doesn't want to do it , that's there choice to make. It's good to do if you live a christian life and that's your path but to do it just for the sake is pointless.

 

[PemLam]

I have a question- what specifically is a christening? I'm guessing that's what I had as a baby in a Catholic church, and my mother kept the white dress lol

There is no difference...in fact, if you were to check the definition, many will begin by saying "to Christen is to Baptize". I was Christened, my wife was Baptized (as were my children)...the sacrament is the same, the "process" is the same...only the names have been changed.

 

[PemLam]

That's exactly the reason, dipping a baby in water negates the purpose of baptism and if someone doesn't want to do it , that's there choice to make. It's good to do if you live a christian life and that's your path but to do it just for the sake is pointless.

There's also the concern that if you don't do it, Julian Sands could boil your unbaptized fat and gain the ability to fly. Never a good thing.

 

[Logan's Runt]

I mean specifically as a child in order to protect against "original sin" in case the child died.

As a Christian thing, it's by choice and to publicly represent that you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior.

The only denomination that I know of that insists upon baptism at birth is Catholicism. From what I know of it, Catholics also do not baptize again once a person has become a Christian. But I'm also not that familiar with Catholicism, although I was baptized in a Catholic church as a baby.

Catholics baptise infants to do away with Original Sin. Before Vatican II, it was taught that a baby who died before being baptised would go to Limbo, a sort of in-between heaven/hell place, because they couldn't be let into heaven but it would be really ****** for them to go to hell. After Vatican II, it's taught that those babies would go to Purgatory until their Original Sin was worked off, then be allowed into heaven.

The sacrament of Confirmation sort of fills the role of welcoming young people into the Church after they've had the opportunity to learn and choose to accept the teachings. It's generally done around 8th grade for people growing up in the Church, or at the same time as baptism for those converting.

The purpose of baptism varies between denominations, but that's the Catholic's theory on it.