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Baptist leader sparks furor with article on gays

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This individual believes there's a "biological basis for homosexuality."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17615602/?GT1=9145

NEW YORK - The president of the leading Southern Baptist seminary has incurred sharp attacks from both the left and right by suggesting that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven, and that prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation would be biblically justified.

The Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., one of the country's pre-eminent evangelical leaders, acknowledged that he irked many fellow conservatives with an article earlier this month saying scientific research "points to some level of biological causation" for homosexuality.

Proof of a biological basis would challenge the belief of many conservative Christians that homosexuality — which they view as sinful — is a matter of choice that can be overcome through prayer and counseling.

However, Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., was assailed even more harshly by gay-rights supporters. They were upset by his assertion that homosexuality would remain a sin even if it were biologically based, and by his support for possible medical treatment that could switch an unborn gay baby's sexual orientation to heterosexual.

"He's willing to play God," said Harry Knox, a spokesman on religious issues for the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay-rights group. "He's more than willing to let homophobia take over and be the determinant of how he responds to this issue, in spite of everything else he believes about not tinkering with the unborn."

Mohler said he was aware of the invective being directed at him on gay-rights blogs, where some participants have likened him to Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor notorious for death-camp experimentation.

Aiming 'to start a conversation'
"I wonder if people actually read what I wrote," Mohler said in a telephone interview. "But I wrote the article intending to start a conversation, and I think I've been successful at that."
The article, published March 2 on Mohler's personal Web site, carried a long but intriguing title: "Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?"

Mohler began by summarizing some recent research into sexual orientation, and advising his Christian readership that they should brace for the possibility that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven.
Mohler wrote that such proof would not alter the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality, but said the discovery would be "of great pastoral significance, allowing for a greater understanding of why certain persons struggle with these particular sexual temptations."

He also referred to a recent article in the pop-culture magazine Radar, which explored the possibility that sexual orientation could be detected in unborn babies and raised the question of whether parents — even liberals who support gay rights — might be open to trying future prenatal techniques that would reverse homosexuality.

Mohler said he would strongly oppose any move to encourage abortion or genetic manipulation of fetuses on grounds of sexual orientation, but he would endorse prenatal hormonal treatment — if such a technology were developed — to reverse homosexuality. He said this would no different, in moral terms, to using technology that would restore vision to a blind fetus.

"I realize this sounds very offensive to homosexuals, but it's the only way a Christian can look at it," Mohler said. "We should have no more problem with that than treating any medical problem."

Mohler's argument was endorsed by a prominent Roman Catholic thinker, the Rev. Joseph Fessio, provost of Ave Maria University in Naples, Fla., and editor of Ignatius Press, Pope Benedict XVI's U.S. publisher.

"Same-sex activity is considered disordered," Fessio said. "If there are ways of detecting diseases or disorders of children in the womb, and a way of treating them that respected the dignity of the child and mother, it would be a wonderful advancement of science."

Gay activists see hypocrisy
Such logic dismayed Jennifer Chrisler of Family Pride, a group that supports gay and lesbian families.

"What bothers me is the hypocrisy," she said. "In one breath, they say the sanctity of an unborn life is unconditional, and in the next breath, it's OK to perform medical treatments on them because of their own moral convictions, not because there's anything wrong with the child."

Paul Myers, a biology professor at the University of Minnesota-Morris, wrote a detailed critique of Mohler's column, contending that there could be many genes contributing to sexual orientation and that medical attempts to alter it could be risky.

"If there are such genes, they will also contribute to other aspects of social and sexual interactions," Myers wrote. "Disentangling the nuances of preference from the whole damn problem of loving people might well be impossible."

Not all reaction to Mohler's article has been negative.
Dr. Jack Drescher, a New York City psychiatrist critical of those who consider homosexuality a disorder, commended Mohler's openness to the prospect that it is biologically based.

"This represents a major shift," Drescher said. "This is a man who actually has an open mind, who is struggling to reconcile his religious beliefs with facts that contradict it."

I must say that I don't agree with this overall way of thinking. What do you think about it?
 
Oh my God. :dry:
I think my IQ just lowered 28 points. :csad:
 
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Funny, tonight's new South Park episode was precisely about this.
 
Why exactly do we have to bend over for the gays? This is america and we have freedom of speech. Believe it or not some people think homosexuals are disgusting and un natural.
 
Why exactly do we have to bend over for the gays? This is america and we have freedom of speech. Believe it or not some people think homosexuals are disgusting and un natural.
...and the rest of us think that the people who hold those opinions are bigoted and ignorant. :up:

God bless the USA! :)

Oh, and I really wouldn't talk about bending over if I were in your position...
 
Ministers in cults should just shut the **** up about stuff they know nothing about
 
Why exactly do we have to bend over for the gays? This is america and we have freedom of speech. Believe it or not some people think homosexuals are disgusting and un natural.

and as americans, gay people shouldnt have to fight for equal rights and not be treated like second class citizens.
 
Putting aside the fact that homosexuality serves no biological function and goes against every religion, it is unhealthy. Men have a very high libido( they are always horny). Gay men do not practice safe sex and are on average sexually deviant. They get it on anytime and anywhere. I know most of you had rough childhoods and dont believe in the lord as I do, but gays are a menace and they are poisoning american values.
 
Putting aside the fact that homosexuality serves no biological function and goes against every religion, it is unhealthy. Men have a very high libido( they are always horny). Gay men do not practice safe sex and are on average sexually deviant. They get it on anytime and anywhere. I know most of you had rough childhoods and dont believe in the lord as I do, but gays are a menace and they are poisoning american values.

er, um, actually...a little known secret in regards to gay society, most gay couples dont really engage in sex very often.

and hardly is not practicing safe sex exclusive to gay society. that has become a problem of society in general.

and you want to talk about poisoning american values, lets talk about how fndamental religious extremists in this country preach hatred, war, intolerance, and bigotry in the name of jesus christ. at least when 2 people of the same sex engage in consentual relations, no one is being harmed.
 
Putting aside the fact that homosexuality serves no biological function and goes against every religion, it is unhealthy. Men have a very high libido( they are always horny). Gay men do not practice safe sex and are on average sexually deviant. They get it on anytime and anywhere. I know most of you had rough childhoods and dont believe in the lord as I do, but gays are a menace and they are poisoning american values.
Are gays a menace more than pedophile priests?
Do you serve any biological function?
Do you know that spreading your semen to the wind is a sin too? You should stop that.
 
Yes pedophile priest are just as bad, but at least they are treated as they should be. Being gay is not natural. I dont hate gays, but I pity them as they are sick. They should not be embraced but shuned unless they change their sinful ways. Antonello I am assuming you are gay since you attacked my sexuality. You just proved my point. Gays think about sex every 2 minutes, they are like animals. Havent you noticed that they always accuse those who are against them of being sodomites as well? Gay sex is always on their mind.
 
Putting aside the fact that homosexuality serves no biological function and goes against every religion, it is unhealthy. Men have a very high libido( they are always horny). Gay men do not practice safe sex and are on average sexually deviant. They get it on anytime and anywhere. I know most of you had rough childhoods and dont believe in the lord as I do, but gays are a menace and they are poisoning american values.


Many Gay and Straight people do not practice safe sex.

Many Gay and Straight people are sexually deviant.

Many Gay and Straight people sometimes like to get it on anytime and anywhere.

Many Gay and Straight people believe in God and religion.

American values are supposed to be about equal rights and being the land of the free. We are so behind and need to move forward re: this.
 
Maybe someone knowledgeable about the majority of Christians stance on homosexuality can help me out.

Is it the attraction to the same sex that they consider a sin, or is it when homosexuals act on their feelings?
 
Gay men do not practice safe sex and are on average sexually deviant.

What do you classify as sexually deviant?

I only ask because whatever "deviant" things you think gay men do with each other are practiced by many heterosexual couples.
 
Yes pedophile priest are just as bad, but at least they are treated as they should be. Being gay is not natural. I dont hate gays, but I pity them as they are sick. They should not be embraced but shuned unless they change their sinful ways. Antonello I am assuming you are gay since you attacked my sexuality. You just proved my point. Gays think about sex every 2 minutes, they are like animals. Havent you noticed that they always accuse those who are against them of being sodomites as well? Gay sex is always on their mind.

I'd love to see you try and say that to my face.

Your views on this subject actually made me laugh. Y'know why? Because of all the men I know, the gay ones seem to be the furthest from the 'animal' steryotype you seem so fond of. If all the men I know, they are the best educated, the most culturally aware and generally cleaner and more polite too.

If being gay is not natural, then I assume animals are capable of commiting sin and perverting nature, since even horses and apes have been found to be in happily gay relationships, even when opposite-sex alternatives have been presented.
 
Hey, if it's genetic, and there's a way to change it, what's wrong with fixing it?
 
Why does it needs to be 'fixed'?

Does that mean that if they can test for red hair, they should 'fix' that? Or below-average height? Or extra fingers? When does natural selection come into this?
 
Putting aside the fact that homosexuality serves no biological function and goes against every religion, it is unhealthy. Men have a very high libido( they are always horny). Gay men do not practice safe sex and are on average sexually deviant. They get it on anytime and anywhere. I know most of you had rough childhoods and dont believe in the lord as I do, but gays are a menace and they are poisoning american values.

Yes pedophile priest are just as bad, but at least they are treated as they should be. Being gay is not natural. I dont hate gays, but I pity them as they are sick. They should not be embraced but shuned unless they change their sinful ways. Antonello I am assuming you are gay since you attacked my sexuality. You just proved my point. Gays think about sex every 2 minutes, they are like animals. Havent you noticed that they always accuse those who are against them of being sodomites as well? Gay sex is always on their mind.

I think that's enough of that,if you can't put your views in a more diplomatic fashion then don't bother
 

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