BvS Batman fight scenes need improvement!

[Jekecy]

If the guy builds a suit with allows him to fight Darkside (which he has) it doesn't matter what the Military can or can't do. He's also been seen in suits that are essentially Iron Man capabilities (mobile, flight capable, extremely powerful and resistant) etc.

Point being, once you open that door, there is no way to justify staying in a normal outfit. Now, if they keep it like it was in TDKR, a suit that is bulky, doesn't move fast, and is essentially just there to allow him strength and protection, then I'm okay with it. But, if they display that kind of suit in this film, it should be against a weakened Supes like ti was in the comic. If it isn't, Supes would destroy Bats in a suit like that.

In what, Justice League? Perhaps. But I imagine they'd be smart to not provide him situations where an Iron Man-like exosuit is a necessity, as they know that's not what audiences are into. That's what writers do; create scenarios only they know the solutions to. If a regular batsuit is enough, that's all he'll ever need. He dresses for the occasion.

It still is one of those questions though. If he can make a reliable Iron Man suit, then he should use it way more than half the time in his stories. It's like with the JLA transporters on the satellite. How many stories of Batman would have been two pages long if he just remembered he had access to one.

His stories don't often involve battling superhumans or aliens.

Look, Batman is amazing as a human being. Tell me he is Bruce Lee, Sherlock Holmes and James Bond combined times 10... I will agree with you. Tell me that he is AS intelligent as Lex Luthor, can build things like Tony Stark, harness the cutting edge of science like Reed Richards... No. Sorry. I can't go there. He has a genius' passing knowledge of other subjects that are not immediately germane to his war on crime, but that is where his genius is most evident. Criminology, forensics, computer science... Again, tell me that he's the master of those fields and I won't complain. Tell me that Batman is building Iron Man suits in the cave... Sorry, I have to balk at that on a number of levels.

You're responding to a conversation that as far as I'm aware, doesn't even exist.

 

[Infinity9999x]

In what, Justice League? Perhaps. But I imagine they'd be smart to not provide him situations where an Iron Man-like exosuit is a necessity, as they know that's not what audiences are into. That's what writers do; create scenarios only they know the solutions to. If a regular batsuit is enough, that's all he'll ever need. He dresses for the occasion.


His stories don't often involve battling superhumans or aliens.

Good writers do exactly as you're saying. There have been more than a few instances of them providing him with exactly that though, an Iron Man like exoskeleton. And again, once you have that option, it's just silly to try and justify him not using it all the time. It's like saying, "I need to travel 20 miles. I could use my car, but I'll just walk instead. It will get me there...eventually, and at a much higher stress rate on my body for no reason, but why not?"

But the reason this comes up, is it goes along with the BatGod thing. I don't like a Batman that can build an Iron Man type suit. It begins to get too ridiculous with how amazing he is at EVERYTHING. And honestly, sloppy writing.

So, as you said earlier, I too hope the writers don't introduce that idea. It's always been a pet peeve of mine for Batman. In fact, it's the reason they had Azreal go full mech Batsuit in the 90's. To show people why it would be a bad idea for the character.

 

[Aejej]

Look, Batman is amazing as a human being. Tell me he is Bruce Lee, Sherlock Holmes and James Bond combined times 10... I will agree with you. Tell me that he is AS intelligent as Lex Luthor, can build things like Tony Stark, harness the cutting edge of science like Reed Richards... No. Sorry. I can't go there. He has a genius' passing knowledge of other subjects that are not immediately germane to his war on crime, but that is where his genius is most evident. Criminology, forensics, computer science... Again, tell me that he's the master of those fields and I won't complain. Tell me that Batman is building Iron Man suits in the cave... Sorry, I have to balk at that on a number of levels.

Batman has large tank-like suits, but they are not Iron Man-type suits. They're more for protection than offense. No, he isn't Luthor/Richards-like on the genius scale, the same way they aren't Batman on the combat scale. Iron Man is a fantastic character who finally got his due, but such a construct isn't remotely realistic even by today's standards (good thing we don't read comics and watch CBMs for total realism). Stark needs the suits to fight, and he builds and improves them, but they chose to portray him with a certain degree of ineptness in the films because somehow Rhodey not only accessed a suit without clearance, he mastered it to the point he was able to join Stark and fight side-by-side with him.

The difference between Bruce Wayne and most of the other characters is that, as the Batman I know/acknowledge, without their powers and technological advantages he would hand all of their asses to them. (Teenage Dick Grayson would hand Stark's ass to him, too.) Bruce would also kick Clark's ass under a red sun. That's the Batman I want to see.

Also, didn't we see some cool fight choreography with interesting editing in Batman Begins? Yes, we did. I concur that the choreography in The Winter Soldier was excellent. I expect similar from Snyder. I do feel the Russos' directing style outweighs Whedon's in the CBM format.

 

[tnekkralc]

Some more awesome fighting from Bats in this new trailer:

Batman Arkham Knight ACE Chemicals Trailer Part 1


I pretty much see Bats as someone who is nearly on par with Captain America physically, but has just attained it through sheer will, good genes, discipline etc...

 

[Bathead]

Some more awesome fighting from Bats in this new trailer:

Batman Arkham Knight ACE Chemicals Trailer Part 1


I pretty much see Bats as someone who is nearly on par with Captain America physically, but has just attained it through sheer will, good genes, discipline etc...

Don't forget, he kicked Cap's ass the one time they did fight.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Some more awesome fighting from Bats in this new trailer:

Batman Arkham Knight ACE Chemicals Trailer Part 1


I pretty much see Bats as someone who is nearly on par with Captain America physically, but has just attained it through sheer will, good genes, discipline etc...

I was going to post this vid. The combat is glorious. Batman sees the thugs, observes the surroundings, finds potential weapons he could use to take most of them out and then pounces to take them out , I'd like to see that. The gliding, the soundtrack and that slow mo Batmobile sequence... Ah I can't wait for this game.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

While taking influences from the Arkham games is welcome, it would be foolish to replicate it completely. Because a CG model can move however the artists want him to move, regardless of what he is wearing. A real human being cannot do that. Shortcuts must be taken. For this alone, fight scenes cannot be entirely like the Arkham games. Because they cannot be.

Do you really think a real human being can move like the video game model can in the bulky armor he is wearing? That thing would weigh like 30-40 pounds, plus add in the extra bulk the actor/stunt man is carrying. It would be hell to even move normally. Thankfully Batfleck isn't wearing anything as busy.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

While taking influences from the Arkham games is welcome, it would be foolish to replicate it completely. Because a CG model can move however the artists want him to move, regardless of what he is wearing. A real human being cannot do that. Shortcuts must be taken. For this alone, fight scenes cannot be entirely like the Arkham games. Because they cannot be.

Do you really think a real human being can move like the video game model can in the bulky armor he is wearing? That thing would weigh like 30-40 pounds, plus add in the extra bulk the actor/stunt man is carrying. It would be hell to even move normally. Thankfully Batfleck isn't wearing anything as busy.

Oh no, I don't expect a complete replication of the Arkham game fighting style, I just want it to be influential on the way Batman will fight in BvS. Anything Watchmen style is good for me too. And I also love that Batfleck's suit isn't Arkham Knight busy (discounting the armored suit of course). But I imagine Batfleck can move like Batman in that Arkham clip with some CG magic, but in real life I know it's unrealistic.

 

[KillerWolf]

I must say that I kind of envy you lucky bastards who'll get to play Arkham Knight. It looks glorious.