The Dark Knight Nolan=Miller

[Capeless Hero]

Ok so Ive been on a reading rampage of the Frank Miller Batman novels and I have begun to patch things together. Does anyone else suppose that Nolans script inspiration comes from Miller? Look at year one with the ending rooftop scenes, Gordon and a dirty Flass let alone entire dept. and so on. So maybe TDKR is...TDK....it has the same element minus Robin and it being the end of Batman and not the beginning. The Joker, Harvey Dent, an entire dept after Batman and the national guard. And I was reading and this is what made me develop this theory...Bruce Wayne says : I Believe In Harvey Dent. I might just be crazy or unexperienced and this thread will probably get the "this doesnt deserve its own thread" rundown...but I had to write this down lol Please discuss

 

[Ender Durden]

ur crazy. i dont see any connection at all

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[TheBatman072]

More along the lines of TLH and DV.

 

[Lord Thanos]

i get u,ive been thinking this a while now,batman begins had plenty of scenes and ideas altered or completly riped from year one and dark knight returns

 

[Kleric]

I can see the broad strokes and similar characters but the major themes seem different. (I am speculating obviously as I do not know the story of TDK) I can see you making this connection as the miller / Loeb and O’Neal stories are referenced as influences by Nolan and company. However Robin is essential in TDKR as she is used as a window into his world, and as the beginning of Bruce decision to build an army.

The theme for TDK seems to revolve more around escalation and sacrifice. It would appear to be a continuation of Bruce’s trial by fire, in which he is forged onto the Batman we know.

 

[Fenrir]

Ok so Ive been on a reading rampage of the Frank Miller Batman novels and I have begun to patch things together. Does anyone else suppose that Nolans script inspiration comes from Miller? Look at year one with the ending rooftop scenes, Gordon and a dirty Flass let alone entire dept. and so on. So maybe TDKR is...TDK....it has the same element minus Robin and it being the end of Batman and not the beginning. The Joker, Harvey Dent, an entire dept after Batman and the national guard. And I was reading and this is what made me develop this theory...Bruce Wayne says : I Believe In Harvey Dent. I might just be crazy or unexperienced and this thread will probably get the "this doesnt deserve its own thread" rundown...but I had to write this down lol Please discuss

I can see your point...somewhat. Another element that TDK seems to have borrowed from Miller's Batman lore is the whole angle of wannabe Batman vigilantes which clearly seems inspired by DKR's 'Sons of Batman'. But then again, stating Nolan=Miller is obviously an overstatement, as both Nolan and his team have often expressed unusual fondness for Loeb's Long Halloween and Dark Victory, even Haunted Knight - something that has definitely showed its influence in Begins and of course, will do so in TDK as well. Of course, Nolan also has shown keenness in mining from the earliest Batman stories and the 70's runs too. So it's clear he's drawing from many different sources.

 

[Capeless Hero]

I can see the broad strokes and similar characters but the major themes seem different. (I am speculating obviously as I do not know the story of TDK) Robin is essential in TDKR as she is used as a window into his world, and as the beginning of Bruce decision to build an army.

The theme for TDK seems to revolve more around escalation and sacrifice. It would appear to be a continuation of Bruce’s trial by fire, in which he is forged onto the Batman we know.

Much like Year One

 

[sasquatchs]

It's the arc of TLH, there's a few sprinkles of TDKR. Joker undermining Batman on TV, in a different way. The Sons of Batman, in a smaller way.

 

[Capeless Hero]

What matters is...he is going from the best stories ever told, ask any avid comic reader and TDKR or DV or TLH is on the top 10 list of best stories. He isnt the equivalent no, but he is influenced

 

[Lord Thanos]

a measured and well thought out response for once,very true my friend
but when one considers some of the spoilers wheven been hearing of late(gangs wars,city wide strife and chaos,)it does leave one to speculate(hope )

 

[Lord Thanos]

another thing for any one who's read the ew article(like you guys havent?)about the now batsuit,did any one notice that the costume designer they interviewed said that the cape has new features as well...(bladed cape from dark knight strikes?

 

[Anjow1060]

Ugh, now I have a headache.

Do not compare Nolan to Miller. While Nolan draws ideas from him, he is not as blasphamous as Miller....


that is until he has catwoman be a prostitute.....then me and Nolan are gonna have words....

 

[sasquatchs]

another thing for any one who's read the ew article(like you guys havent?)about the now batsuit,did any one notice that the costume designer they interviewed said that the cape has new features as well...(bladed cape from dark knight strikes?

They did? I thought it just said his forearms had fireable blades

 

[StorminNorman]

I enjoy Miller, but I don't consider him a Batman writer.

The Frank Miller that wrote Batman: Year One is not the same Frank Miller that wrote just about every Batman related thing he did.

 

[Capeless Hero]

Ugh, now I have a headache.

Do not compare Nolan to Miller. While Nolan draws ideas from him, he is not as blasphamous as Miller....


that is until he has catwoman be a prostitute.....then me and Nolan are gonna have words....

I concur with you my friend, Miller took many libertys ( Robin a girl, Selina a ****e) but he[Nolan] simply captured the brillant ideas of Miller

 

[Lord Thanos]

Ugh, now I have a headache.

Do not compare Nolan to Miller. While Nolan draws ideas from him, he is not as blasphamous as Miller....


that is until he has catwoman be a prostitute.....then me and Nolan are gonna have words....

ahh... the comming of the high horse

 

[Lord Thanos]

They did? I thought it just said his forearms had fireable blades

can someone post a pic of the article

 

[raybia]

Ok so Ive been on a reading rampage of the Frank Miller Batman novels and I have begun to patch things together. Does anyone else suppose that Nolans script inspiration comes from Miller? Look at year one with the ending rooftop scenes, Gordon and a dirty Flass let alone entire dept. and so on. So maybe TDKR is...TDK....it has the same element minus Robin and it being the end of Batman and not the beginning. The Joker, Harvey Dent, an entire dept after Batman and the national guard. And I was reading and this is what made me develop this theory...Bruce Wayne says : I Believe In Harvey Dent. I might just be crazy or unexperienced and this thread will probably get the "this doesnt deserve its own thread" rundown...but I had to write this down lol Please discuss

Its probably save to say that Nolan has read more comic books than any director in Hollywood who has directed a comic book movie...except maybe Brad Bird.

 

[Crook]

Its probably save to say that Nolan has read more comic books than any director in Hollywood who has directed a comic book movie...except maybe Brad Bird.

I highly doubt he's read more than Raimi. Sounds to me, from the interviews, that Nolan has just read the usual suspects (Y1, TLH, DV, etc.)

 

[sasquatchs]

I think Jonah's the knowledgable one and Nolan just instinctively understands the character, but I reckon he's looked at a fair amount. Alot of the ideas just flow naturally without looking at the comics, he probably has ideas then looks for the precedent.

 

[BubbaGump]

God. Nolan that unoriginal, British hack.

 

[Catman]

There's Miller inspired stuff in the movies, but it was Tim Burton who was truly faithful to Frank Millers work.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

I enjoy Miller, but I don't consider him a Batman writer.

The Frank Miller that wrote Batman: Year One is not the same Frank Miller that wrote just about every Batman related thing he did.

That comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Like, wow. Not a single true statement is presented here. Was that a joke?

 

[Comic Book Boy]

There's Miller inspired stuff in the movies, but it was Tim Burton who was truly faithful to Frank Millers work.

How was Burton more faithful to Miller than Nolan. I understand that BOTH of them have stated that they drew influence from Miller's work. But Nolan's BEGINS clearly has a more direct link to Miller's work than Burton had.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Its probably save to say that Nolan has read more comic books than any director in Hollywood who has directed a comic book movie...except maybe Brad Bird.

Raybia, meet Robert Rodriguez.