BvS Batman or Superman: Which do you prefer?

[souperman]

Apart, both are great characters. Compelling, exciting, heroic...but when Superman enters Batmans world, the Bat becomes obsolete.

I can feel the writers trying to alter reality (yes, reality) in order to allow Batman to exist in a Superman's world. The stories are alway bending over backwards to find some way to let Batman help out.

Batman is really the Robin of BvS... He can keep the broom handy to sweep up after Superman...:cwink

The Superhero cafe cuts pretty close to the bone.
Don't get me wrong, I love both characters, Superman holds a special place in my heart, but both are great.

 

[souperman]

Bro I think Iron Man fans are RDJ fans, when he calls it quits so will they and the character will go back to to being B list.

I feel this too. I never really cared much for IM until the RDJ films. He makes it work. The first IM was great fun and well done.

 

[Superchan]

Imagine how a poll like this would be like if the general audience had a crack at it, i mean were all loyal DC fans here with respected tastes afterall

I mentioned this poll before, but I'll mention it again.

Although I have my suspicion regarding the results because superman is winning by a land slide and I have a hard time believing that.
Sure I totally believe that superman can win a popularity poll like this one but not with such a margin, make of it what you will.

Here is the link:

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/12/2...er-man-and-batman-in-greatest-superhero-poll/

I personally believe that supes, spidy and bats are the triumvirate of superheroes and as long they occupy the top 3 spots then all is good with the world.

 

[jokesonm3]

I mentioned this poll before, but I'll mention it again.

Although I have my suspicion regarding the results because superman is winning by a land slide and I have a hard time believing that.
Sure I totally believe that superman can win a popularity poll like this one but not with such a margin, make of it what you will.

Here is the link:

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/12/2...er-man-and-batman-in-greatest-superhero-poll/

My god this is amazing! and back in 2012 too!! so at a time where we had three batman Nolan films, 4 spider-man films and the last superman movie being superman returns Supes is still winning!!

i...i...honestly cant explain this, i mean the fact that this was on yahoo's main page with over 100,000 votes from mainly the general audince AND from those barriers alone of cbm films Batman should be winning!! this is incredibly fascinating.

 

[TripleJ]

Apart, both are great characters. Compelling, exciting, heroic...but when Superman enters Batmans world, the Bat becomes obsolete.

Not entirely. The villains of both characters are different, and behave differently. Batman's villains are more chaotic and psychotic.

Can Superman use his super speed to lock them up? Sure, but they will eventually escape, and the second time, it won't be so easy to capture them (once they know Superman is after them).

Both characters approach these situations differently...and Superman's approach won't always work with Bat villains.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

That poll asks "who's the greatest superhero?", not "who is your favorite superhero?". I think people voted mostly Superman because he is the ultimate superhero in terms of powers and what he represents.

In regards to BvS, the question they usually ask is "who do you think would win?", not "who do you want to win?", which is why the overwhelming majority pick Superman over Batman, despite Batman being arguably more popular.

 

[Superchan]

That poll asks "who's the greatest superhero?", not "who is your favorite superhero?". I think people voted mostly Superman because he is the ultimate superhero in terms of powers and what he represents.

In regards to BvS, the question they usually ask is "who do you think would win?", not "who do you want to win?", which is why the overwhelming majority pick Superman over Batman, despite Batman being arguably more popular.

I thought that too, but speaking for myself, when someone says what is the greatest so and so, my answer would be MY favorite so and so because I can't see myself being objective about things that I love.
If this poll was between spidy and batman only then I would've picked spidy in a heartbeat because I love the character even though historically speaking Batman holds a slightly more prestigious place in pop culture partially due to the fact that he's 20 yrs spiderman's senior.

This isn't the first time superman beat bats in a big poll, like I said back in the late 90's WB held an official poll with over a million votes and superman came out on top, but as I said currently batman is the undisputed champ of all superheros and I see that continuing for quite some time.

 

[sf2]

That poll asks "who's the greatest superhero?", not "who is your favorite superhero?". I think people voted mostly Superman because he is the ultimate superhero in terms of powers and what he represents.

In regards to BvS, the question they usually ask is "who do you think would win?", not "who do you want to win?", which is why the overwhelming majority pick Superman over Batman, despite Batman being arguably more popular.

Regardless. People will always be biased n vote for their favorite. It seems impossible for superman to win that poll n by such a huge margin. I thought spider would win. He was so famous.

maybe superman fans cheated. Multiple thousand votes. Lol

 

[MrMaooz]

I'm more of a Batman guy, but as of right now, I'm rooting for Superman in this film.

 

[Superchan]

I'm more of a Batman guy, but as of right now, I'm rooting for Superman in this film.

Really?......please explain.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It's an amazing pleasure to see Superman is winning the poll right now.

 

[KillerWolf]

Superman's in the lead? Obviously, the vote was rigged.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

We all believe Constantine needed to be the true lead here.

 

[The Batman]

Ugh, Iron Man. Curse RDJ's charisma because on no planet should that character be one of the world's most beloved superheroes, imo. He wouldn't even crack my Top 10 best Marvel heroes, tbh.

Its amazing....that character was not that special before RDJ, IMO, besides his iconic alcoholism. If he is one of my top ten marvel heroes, its solely down to RDJ.

I agree, superman isn't the top dog anymore (and hasn't been since 1989) but I can't agree with spidy and Ironman top dogs either.
Spidy is infact struggling with a second reboot coming in the space of only 5 years.
Ironman has become an A list superhero but his popularity is directly tied with marvel's and I believe that once marvel's streak comes to an end Ironman's popularity will wane also.

Without a doubt batman is THE top dog and will continue to be so until some other superhero gets a trilogy that rivals the dark knight's.

Spider-Man is the most popular hero in terms of license revenue, and the last Iron Man film made a billion dollars at the Box Office, and is probably a big reason why Avengers was so successful. It really doesn't matter how or why they became top dog. When it comes to Superheroes, A lot of their popularity is tied to a specific circumstance. A lot of Batman's current popularity benefits from Nolan and Rocksteady having hot streaks. To single out Iron Man alone is unfair, even if I do think his popularity might be living on borrowed time.

I don't think Batman is undoubtedly top dog, but he is DC's Flagship character right now.

Bro I think Iron Man fans are RDJ fans, when he calls it quits so will they and the character will go back to to being B list.

That'll probably be true. But as temporary as his A List status might be, Superman fans can't really deny that IM is more popular in the current landscape than Supes is.

Again, well said. You have a firm grasp on this topic.

Thanks, AnneFan.

 

[ThePhantasm]

 

[psylockolussus]

Batman because of his Rogues gallery.

 

[Fallen Angel]

That'll probably be true. But as temporary as his A List status might be, Superman fans can't really deny that IM is more popular in the current landscape than Supes is.

Can't argue with that man right now. Who'd a thought it eh? A tin pot man in a metal suit.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Bro I think Iron Man fans are RDJ fans, when he calls it quits so will they and the character will go back to to being B list.

I love the 70s-90s comics version more than RDJ version.

 

[Superchan]

Spider-Man is the most popular hero in terms of license revenue,

You're very correct, I read an article recently that stated that Spidy's license revenue is TWICE that of Batman AND superman COMBINED!!! Crazy.
But with that being said spidy is experiencing the same creative issues that superman's been dealing with for a while now, namely the creators and the studio not knowing exactly how to make him work on screen again, which is what caused them to enlist marvel's help.

the last Iron Man film made a billion dollars at the Box Office, and is probably a big reason why Avengers was so successful.

IM3 made more than any solo superhero movie to date and it was solely due to the Avengers' success and not the other way around.
IM2 made a solid 620 mill in the b.o. but it received middling reviews and had the Avengers not been such a monster IM3 wouldn't have been able to get half of the money that it eventually made.

It really doesn't matter how or why they became top dog. When it comes to Superheroes, A lot of their popularity is tied to a specific circumstance. A lot of Batman's current popularity benefits from Nolan and Rocksteady having hot streaks. To single out Iron Man alone is unfair, even if I do think his popularity might be living on borrowed time.

Well put.

I don't think Batman is undoubtedly top dog, but he is DC's Flagship character right now.

I guess we can both agree that batman is in a good place right now and I have to admit that as a superman geek I'm really jealous and I wish superman would be like that too.

That'll probably be true. But as temporary as his A List status might be, Superman fans can't really deny that IM is more popular in the current landscape than Supes is.

Oh no I don't deny it at all, Iron man is definitely more popular than both superman and spiderman right now (as crazy as that sounds) but one can honestly make the argument that Cap and Guardians are also more popular, which is again thanks to the strength of the marvel brand.
Despite the fact that my 2 favorite superheros are superman and nightwing I'm still happy to see marvel doing so well, because honestly they deserve it and as long as they keep churning out good work the superheros genre will continue to trek on.

 

[souperman]

Not entirely. The villains of both characters are different, and behave differently. Batman's villains are more chaotic and psychotic.

Can Superman use his super speed to lock them up? Sure, but they will eventually escape, and the second time, it won't be so easy to capture them (once they know Superman is after them).

Both characters approach these situations differently...and Superman's approach won't always work with Bat villains.

But the only advantage Bat villains have over Superman is his morality and trust. Once they are shown to be untrustworthy, Superman would act accordingly.

Superman would always prevale. He only looses by his own choice. To surrender or back down....to save people.
His friends and loved ones are his Achilles heal...

Maybe Lois becomes the target. Batman kidnaped Lois in order to "find" Superman... She is after all the only one who knows who he is...

Also, you are suggesting that if they escaped, they would be harder to catch again because they knew Supes was after them... So they don't fear Batman as much?

Anyway, only fooling with ideas.

 

[TripleJ]

But the only advantage Bat villains have over Superman is his morality and trust. Once they are shown to be untrustworthy, Superman would act accordingly.

Superman would always prevale. He only looses by his own choice. To surrender or back down....to save people.
His friends and loved ones are his Achilles heal...

Maybe Lois becomes the target. Batman kidnaped Lois in order to "find" Superman... She is after all the only one who knows who he is...

Also, you are suggesting that if they escaped, they would be harder to catch again because they knew Supes was after them... So they don't fear Batman as much?

Anyway, only fooling with ideas.

Once they knew Superman was after them, they would act accordingly (some of them are very resourceful - in terms of money and smarts).

And the psychotic aspect of the characters..that's something Superman isn't used to.

As for Superman always prevailing..perhaps that's part of the problem, for him as a character. It's hard to create a challenge for Superman, because writers over the years have given him too much power.

It's great right now...akin to the early versions of the characters, where he wasn't as powerful.

 

[Superchan]

Once they knew Superman was after them, they would act accordingly (some of them are very resourceful - in terms of money and smarts).

And the psychotic aspect of the characters..that's something Superman isn't used to.

As for Superman always prevailing..perhaps that's part of the problem, for him as a character. It's hard to create a challenge for Superman, because writers over the years have given him too much power.

That is a BIG misconception and this is coming from a person who has read the majority of the bronze age and modern era superman.
In the pre-crisis era superman was constantly challenged by the likes of brainiac, galatic golum, metallo, parasite, amalak, mxy, master jailer, atomic skull and a variety of phantom zone villains. And unlike the modern age, somewhat dim-witted superman the bronze age ultra-powered superman constantly had to use his head to get out of sticky situations.

The big problem with superman is the perception that writers and people generally have regarding him being over-powered and difficult to write.

It's great right now...akin to the early versions of the characters, where he wasn't as powerful

I do agree that I'm liking the siegel/shuster inspired superman but not because he's depowered (alittle too much for my taste) but because superman is combating social issues (e.g. police brutality) that are prominent at the time. This is after all what made the character so successful, as he was a product of pure fantasy dealing with very real issues.

 

[The Batman]

That is a BIG misconception and this is coming from a person who has read the majority of the bronze age and modern era superman.
In the pre-crisis era superman was constantly challenged by the likes of brainiac, galatic golum, metallo, parasite, amalak, mxy, master jailer, atomic skull and a variety of phantom zone villains. And unlike the modern age, somewhat dim-witted superman the bronze age ultra-powered superman constantly had to use his head to get out of sticky situations.

The big problem with superman is the perception that writers and people generally have regarding him being over-powered and difficult to write.

 

[TripleJ]

That is a BIG misconception and this is coming from a person who has read the majority of the bronze age and modern era superman.
In the pre-crisis era superman was constantly challenged by the likes of brainiac, galatic golum, metallo, parasite, amalak, mxy, master jailer, atomic skull and a variety of phantom zone villains. And unlike the modern age, somewhat dim-witted superman the bronze age ultra-powered superman constantly had to use his head to get out of sticky situations.

The big problem with superman is the perception that writers and people generally have regarding him being over-powered and difficult to write.

I do agree that I'm liking the siegel/shuster inspired superman but not because he's depowered (alittle too much for my taste) but because superman is combating social issues (e.g. police brutality) that are prominent at the time. This is after all what made the character so successful, as he was a product of pure fantasy dealing with very real issues.

That's sort of the problem I see - most of the villains are alien threats (which are fine by the way). But, I would like Superman to be challenged by more human things (maybe that's because of my own perception of things).

My own reasoning would be - These alien threats; it begs the question whether his presence attracts more attention that necessary (of course, the solution to that is showing Superman helping other planets and other people - which writers have done in the past). In which case, he can battle those threats outside of Earth. But, he hasn't done anything like that recently, has he?

Concentrated on Earth (then again, DC Earth right now has enough problems to deal with).

Would also love to see Superman using his head more (so long as they don't make him super super smart - leave that to other character).

Yeah, the social activism being one - although I think things would have been a lot different had he been fully powered.

 

[Rowsdower!]

So are we circling back to the "Superman sucks after 1985" argument again? I think the problem with that perception is that the character has appeared SO many times in comics and has been represented by so many different artists and writers. When you're depicted that often and in that many varieties, it's easy to point to all of the stories you didn't like as "proof" that the character is now written poorly. There are just as many bad silver and golden age stories as there are modern age ones. It's just as easy to make fun of Superman dragging planets behind him on a giant chain in the silver age as it is to make fun of the way John Byrne wrote him.