Batman R.I.P.

[Drz]

Tim is in the cover for: battle of the cowl. So he shouldn't die even tho i guessed the same after seeing the art.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

on tony daniels blog he has a couple sketches of the stuff in the last issue of r.ip. and even has a preview page
http://tonydaniel.blogspot.com/

Wow, this just reinforces how much I truly hate his art. What the heck was happening there!? Why is Robin's head in that guys crotch!? What heck is happening on the last page!?

Seriously, it's bad enough I can't tell what's happening with the art in RIP, but this looks even worse.

 

[OSM]

I hate this ****ing arc so much. Someone leak the next issue already, I hate waiting for the stupidest answer to probably the worst story in the Batman mythos ever.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I hate this ****ing arc so much. Someone leak the next issue already, I hate waiting for the stupidest answer to probably the worst story in the Batman mythos ever.

This is why i hate Grant Morrison so much, he's just crummy ideas over storytelling. Just read Arkham Asylum, its very good, but then read his script, and everything is the biggest load of trite you'll ever read, with a goldfish representing pisces which represents the Christian fish symbol which represents the crucification which parallels Osiris' journey to the underworld which parallels Batman's journey through Arkham. Yeah, sure Morrison, we were REALLY supposed to get that vibe form a pair of Goldfish.

Not to mention he screwed up the Al Ghuls beyond belief. Seemed to me he just reeled off ideas, thinking "Hey! What happened if Ra's had a father who felt he was a disappointment! Hey! What happened if Ra's had a long abandoned albino son! Hey! What if Ra's had possessing powers as a plan of coming back! Hey! What if Talia didn't really sleep with Batman, but instead got him high on chemicals and then conceived the child in a test tube to be bred as the ultimate perfect specimen to then just be annoying, have a cliche evil name and then beat tim Drake in a fight?"

Sorry if that was a little melodramatic, but the man just relies on ridiculous ideas either for shock value or because he can't write a good tale without them. I've yet to see a canon storyline of his that didn't shake things up, destroy loved characters and introduce unliked ones.

 

[OSM]

The only reason Grant has a career is because he can make long and seemingly epic stories out of anything. His ideas are just way too ******ed in the long run though, I seriously doubt anyone is going to care after this arc is finally done with. Morrison needs to **** off of Batman stories permanently.

I will say I love Tony Daniel's art. His Joker is pretty insane looking, if you ignore the new lizard tongue he cut for himself. His Batman is ****ing bad ass. I thought Lee's Batman was good, but Daniel's draws Batman like someone you don't want to **** with ever. He's in league with Aparo's or Adam's Batman, but not as good of course.

 

[kguillou]

I hate writers that leave every single explanation till the very last issue to explain. Whatever happened to revealing stuff along the way and then saving the biggest reveal for last? Like the Hush arc in dini's book for example. Dini could've dragged it out til part 5 to show us Hush's identity but instead he did it in part 4 and thats enough to tide the reader over until the big finale. But RIP, we've had 5 parts so far and we have no idea whats going on, Morrison is leaving everything for the last minute. I hate that writing style so much, its so gimmicky and it shows that the writer is just buying time. After 5 issues he could've given us something to work with and then save the best for last but instead he's saving EVERYTHING for last.

 

[Saint]

The only reason Grant has a career is because he can make long and seemingly epic stories out of anything. His ideas are just way too ******ed in the long run though

No.

 

[Saint]

I've decided to elaborate on my "no." The reason Morrison has a career is because he is able to consistently produce some of the most unique and interesting ideas in comics; not because he can make "seemingly epic" stories. That the man who produced All-Star Superman is disparaged as a creator so regularly in this topic deeply troubles me.

That said, I absolutely understand the problems with this particular story, as it stands. Some people are simply resistant to the end of Bruce Wayne, and people who are less resistant to that (like myself) may question whether this story constitutes a proper end to his story. I've wondered about that. I re-read All-Star Superman today, and after doing so I'm able to trust that he'll make this work. If he can achieve such success with his end to Superman's story, I imagine he can do the same for Batman.

 

[The Batman]

I've decided to elaborate on my "no." The reason Morrison has a career is because he is able to consistently produce some of the most unique and interesting ideas in comics; not because he can make "seemingly epic" stories. That the man who produced All-Star Superman is disparaged as a creator so regularly in this topic deeply troubles me.

That said, I absolutely understand the problems with this particular story, as it stands. Some people are simply resistant to the end of Bruce Wayne, and people who are less resistant to that (like myself) may question whether this story constitutes a proper end to his story. I've wondered about that. I re-read All-Star Superman today, and after doing so I'm able to trust that he'll make this work. If he can achieve such success with his end to Superman's story, I imagine he can do the same for Batman.

honestly, people are being whiny because, IMO, Batman's not spending his time fighting mobsters and falcone ripoffs. This run has been the most unique in the past decade. People like Dini's Batman, but honestly, those are decent stories at best most of the time....

 

[Saint]

honestly, people are being whiny because, IMO, Batman's not spending his time fighting mobsters and falcone ripoffs. This run has been the most unique in the past decade. People like Dini's Batman, but honestly, those are decent stories at best most of the time....

Well, like I've said before, DC obviously set up the relationship between Dini's Detective and Morrison's Batman so they could play both sides of the field: people like me who eat up continuity-heavy, long-term storytelling are going to prefer Batman, while people who prefer the stand-alone one-issue approach will go for Detective. Similarly, Dini's stories have been more traditional Batman fare, while Morrison's have been a lot more... eclectic. Good set up for me, since I like it all (though, as I said, my preference is for long-term stories).

 

[kguillou]

I know i am about to get my ass chewed out for this comment, but I just read all of All-Star Superman and well...i really dont see what the big deal is about the series. I AM NOT saying it is bad by any means, its just, everybody seems to be saying that All Star Superman is the best thing since sliced bread and its "incredibly brilliant" but i just dont see it. I went in with very high expectations expecting that my mind was going to be blown away but instead it just feels like an average but solid superman story. Maybe im not enough of a superman fan or i just plain dont get Morrison's writing, but i really dont see what's so incredibly revolutionary about that series nor RIP. Am i crazy fo thinking Morrison's overrated?

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I know i am about to get my ass chewed out for this comment, but I just read all of All-Star Superman and well...i really dont see what the big deal is about the series. I AM NOT saying it is bad by any means, its just, everybody seems to be saying that All Star Superman is the best thing since sliced bread and its "incredibly brilliant" but i just dont see it. I went in with very high expectations expecting that my mind was going to be blown away but instead it just feels like an average but solid superman story. Maybe im not enough of a superman fan or i just plain dont get Morrison's writing, but i really dont see what's so incredibly revolutionary about that series nor RIP. Am i crazy fo thinking Morrison's overrated?

I didn't like Morrison's run on Supes neither.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I hate this ****ing arc so much. Someone leak the next issue already, I hate waiting for the stupidest answer to probably the worst story in the Batman mythos ever.

Ditto.

 

[The Batman]

Well, like I've said before, DC obviously set up the relationship between Dini's Detective and Morrison's Batman so they could play both sides of the field: people like me who eat up continuity-heavy, long-term storytelling are going to prefer Batman, while people who prefer the stand-alone one-issue approach will go for Detective. Similarly, Dini's stories have been more traditional Batman fare, while Morrison's have been a lot more... eclectic. Good set up for me, since I like it all (though, as I said, my preference is for long-term stories).

i prob feel the same way....

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Some people are simply resistant to the end of Bruce Wayne, and people who are less resistant to that (like myself) may question whether this story constitutes a proper end to his story.

It`s kind of academic really. I`d love to see Bruce actuall hand his legacy over to someone else for keeps but DC and Marvel are corporate machines who only sell comics to keep thier franchises in circulation. DC might dethrone or kill Batman in 2008 but you can bet money he will be back before 2028. Hell he will prob be back as Batman by the time the Batman begins trilogy wraps up.

Its just another fake-out shock death to make it seem like things are chnaging when we all know it will elastic band back to where it was before when they hit the big old reset button a year or two down the line.

 

[Saint]

Progress being less than permanent is a truth of comics, yes, but that doesn't mean the stories are unimportant fake-outs, and it doesn't mean we have be reading weak stories. If the story is good enough, it will remain relevant, enjoyable, and it's consequences within the mythos will endure beyond the return of whoever it happened to kill off. See The Flash. Barry Allen may be back, but it doesn't make his death or the twenty years that followed irrelevant. Wally won't revert to the sort of person he was then, and the Flash universe won't be the same as it was then. It's a step forward instead of back.

They could have said "Okay, here's a big retcon: Wally made a deal with Mephhisto--er, Neron--to make it so Barry never died, and everything is the same as it was in the seventies." This definitely would have rendered the past twenty years irrelevant. Fortunately, they were not so stupid. We can only hope for the same intelligence with Batman.

What I mean is that Bruce coming back in twenty years is unimportant. What's important is that they make the best story they can now, and then make the best story they can out of his return: one that doesn't render RIP--and the twenty years in between--irrelevant. What's important is that they keep moving forward.

 

[kguillou]

Amen, i completely agree with that comment, unfortunately though Saint, comic companies these days are so afraid of looking towards the future that they often revert to hiding in the past. This fear is destroying certain franchises like Spider-man, i hope it doesnt destroy Batman.

 

[ZollyBeckerShow]

they are just doing to Batman what was done to Spiderman...
Ruining it!

 

[Question]

i heard somewhere the original plan for rip was too kill bruce and make him a black lantern for geoff johns's blackest night,but wb woulnt allow it with dark knight coming out

 

[Drz]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yWjfmSMdv...bkSUveAcI0/s1600-h/Detective_fin.40_100-1.jpg

Cover for the newest Nightwing, i guess Nightwing will "emerge" as Batman or what?

 

[Majic Walrus]

i heard somewhere the original plan for rip was too kill bruce and make him a black lantern for geoff johns's blackest night,but wb woulnt allow it with dark knight coming out

"Black" Lantern? I don't think that I've seen those mentioned in John's Blackest Night. I think you heard wrong.

 

[The Joker]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yWjfmSMdv...bkSUveAcI0/s1600-h/Detective_fin.40_100-1.jpg

Cover for the newest Nightwing, i guess Nightwing will "emerge" as Batman or what?

Really cool artwork on the villains there.

 

[Drz]

Totally agreed, but on the second row, is that Killer Croc or what? The freaky guy next to Joker. Also Harley looks hot in that picture!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea that is Croc

 

[Cain]

"Black" Lantern? I don't think that I've seen those mentioned in John's Blackest Night. I think you heard wrong.

What are you talking about? the entire premise of Blackest Night is based around the Black Lanterns this has been known for quite a long time now.