Batman R.I.P.

[squeekness]

We don't exactly know. There was an explosion with no body recovered.

 

[arachnid-guy]

That seems quite a weak ending.

 

[squeekness]

Indeed. After all that hype....

 

[FCEEVIPER]

RIP arch has been crap from the beginning to the end, sadly.

imo

 

[javi1024]

i would say RIP would have worked better if they didn't hype it up to be this massive life-changing event for the character. even though [BLACKOUT]we're getting a new Batman[/BLACKOUT] it didn't deliver that EPIC, NEVER BEFORE SEEN story that Morrison kept telling us it was. but that being said, mind the confusing first half of the arc and RIP was enjoyable, especially the last issue.

 

[Drz]

Just read the new Batman, it had it ups but theres one major letdown for me, but yeah read the spoiler tag if interested:

Spoiler

As seen in the preview, Alfred has some comical ideas of Batman's costume choices and the seriousness of choosing Batman as his theme. The story shows Batman's early years, the crazy homocidal murderer Joker, and how he ends up losing all his loved ones and then, due to Bruce's promise to Alfred and having some serious injuries, he takes a day off and goes to the circus, only to recruit Young Richard Dick Grayson, and im not sure was this canon before but he ofcourse legally adopted him. I mean i've never seen it before so dont call me stupid!

So the story continues about how Batman is actually having fun now that he has an human ally, Bruce keeps Dick good @ school and the years go by, Joker has become an prankster and Batman (years ahead of everyone) has realized that Joker has super-insanity (his term) where he recreates himself, and whats to have a good look that Joker will never recreate himself as the early Batman comic ones. =) Really Awesome. Also it shows Nightwing's first Nightwing costume and yeah, how years gone by and ah i forgot to mention about Batwoman, but something ****ed up weird happens.

Oh yeah ANOTHER thing, Dr.Hurt is here and the 10 days isolution days here, and this is where the things go downhill, Batman has been CAPTURED by the forces of the "dark empire" i ONLY read Batman comics so i have barely no clue who they are but im guessing this has something to do with Darkseid.

Then we see alternative reality where Joe Chill didn't manage to kill The Waynes but got himself beaten up by Thomas and arrested by Gordon. Bruce becomes a doctor like his father and is a mama's girl. :P But this is where the truth comes: criminals would have come even withouth Batman, as thousands are dying in Gotham due to a water poisoning by an grinning maniac (ala the Joker).

The comic ends with us seeing Batman inside the machine, so yeah its really a downhill for me because i have no clue about Darkseid's forces or whatever the dark empire is.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

If that's true then I am further annoyed. Morrison needs to get off his high horse and stop trying to make super-sanity canon. it was a good theory but it is better suited for AA and him pushing it as a defining aspect of Joker is an insult. Also he has no right to mess with the covered years of Batman's life if that is true, in current canon Joker has never been a harmless trickster (I don't hate this interpretation but Grant needs to stop retconning good stories before him).

 

[Drz]

I like the super insanity myself more, also i forgot to mentiona couple of things and i got a request in the spoilers too!

Spoiler

One of the bad guys is Simyan, any information regarding him?

Also Before "Alfred" tells about his story of a world withouth Batman, Bruce Wayne realizes hes not the real Alfred and that someone,somehow is trying to attack Bruce, and he says he will get them but then bam! the alternative reality kicks in to his mind.

 

[The Batman]

If that's true then I am further annoyed. Morrison needs to get off his high horse and stop trying to make super-sanity canon. it was a good theory but it is better suited for AA and him pushing it as a defining aspect of Joker is an insult. Also he has no right to mess with the covered years of Batman's life if that is true, in current canon Joker has never been a harmless trickster (I don't hate this interpretation but Grant needs to stop retconning good stories before him).

LMAO...ROFL....

Now Grants getting bashed for RESPECTING BATMAN HISTORY? and people get annoyed when i question the fandom of batman readers...you do realize that, like Superman, Batman's history was altered in IC, which means Grant can pretty much do what he wants. Here, instead of throwing away history, he chooses to honor it...and now he's getting bashed for it...amazing...

 

[Cain]

LMAO...ROFL....

Now Grants getting bashed for RESPECTING BATMAN HISTORY? and people get annoyed when i question the fandom of batman readers...you do realize that, like Superman, Batman's history was altered in IC, which means Grant can pretty much do what he wants. Here, instead of throwing away history, he chooses to honor it...and now he's getting bashed for it...amazing...

So so true. I enjoyed this issue more than last week's and since I only read DC it's tie-in to Morrison's FC made perfect sense.

 

[Spade]

I didn't see anything in that spoiler review that struck me as a canon screw-up. I thought the Joker's super-sanity had been canon, or at least presented as a possibility in the Batman mythology, for some time now. I like it either way. There's no more inherently wrong with the Joker being super-sane as there is with Bruce being in the JLA or having the Boy Wonder or trying to be something more than human.

 

[javi1024]

how is everyone already getting this book? 2 of my stores said they werent getting it until tomorrow.

 

[Saint]

I'm really tired of hearing about egos, power-trips, and high horses whenever a writer bothers to actually do something with a comic book. This attitude kills comics. This is the attitude that leaves us with month after month of forgettable, irrelevant, unimportant books that say nothing and mean nothing.

What's this nonsense about super-sanity being a "good theory," but an "insult" when introduced to continuity? This is your philosophy? That introducing good ideas is an insult? Which ideas can be safely introduced without being insulting, then? Bad ideas? Mediocre ideas? Irrelevant ideas?

Furthermore, what is this "no right" stuff? He has no right? He has every right. He is the writer. He is the individual DC has chosen to make these determinations. If not him, who? Should comics be written by committee? Should DC poll the fans whenever it wants to actually write a story that matters? There is a reason for the distinction between artist and audience. If Morrison has "no right" to incorporate ideas into Batman stories, then comics are over. Congratulations: your vote is a vote for the end of comics. Since you believe writers are not allowed to use new ideas, there are no stories to tell, and the industry is gone. Sweet! At least we avoided a super-sane Joker, right? Fair trade.

 

[Saint]

Just read the issue. I'm wondering if the Batman we saw six months after RIP (the one saying "Batman and Robin will never die," was actually supposed to be Bruce, showing us that he had survived the helicopter crash just fine. The reason I think this may be the case is because Batman whereabouts in between RIP and FC are not explained. Or maybe Morrison just hasn't gotten around to explaining them yet.

 

[lixdexia]

Just read the issue. I'm wondering if the Batman we saw six months after RIP (the one saying "Batman and Robin will never die," was actually supposed to be Bruce, showing us that he had survived the helicopter crash just fine. The reason I think this may be the case is because Batman whereabouts in between RIP and FC are not explained. Or maybe Morrison just hasn't gotten around to explaining them yet.

what's going to happen now is at the end of the chase for the cowl thing bruce will be batman again and his absence will be explained as either soul searching, training, or some top secret assignment everyone had to believe he was dead to do. bs

 

[The Sage]

Look at the cover to Detective Comics 851: http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=10681

 

[CaptainClown]

what's going to happen now is at the end of the chase for the cowl thing bruce will be batman again and his absence will be explained as either soul searching, training, or some top secret assignment everyone had to believe he was dead to do. bs

He became a green lantern and gained these amazing super powers....

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Well that was a frightful bashing. To those who questioned my knowledge my previous posts will show I have a strong love of golden, bronze and silver age stuff.

I admit I worded my criticisms poorly but using sarcasm against me was a little uncalled for. My point about super sanity was more that Morrison atleast to me seems to shoe-horning into current continuity exactly where Joker should be acting like a trickster and so on, which very much goes against previous books. I have no problem with this interpretation of a trickster, but I feel honouring the mythos is a bit different to deciding what happened when in periods of Batman's life when previous books somewhat contradict this.

However, a lot of my anger does stem from the fact that Alfred is supposedly dying soon. I love Alfy....

Oh, yeah, so in summary, apologies for the criticisms not being well voiced, I love how Morrison is referencing and including so much old stories, but I also feel that he tends to ignore recent ones (Or in some cases disregards, like his semi sequel series Batman and Son contradicting Son of the Demon
because he admits he didn't read it before writing)

If the next issue proves me wrong I'll be very happy, but sheesh, give me a break for an opinion, even if it was wrong I don't need to be bombarded with blatant sarcasm.

Loved the Hamlet Batman and Morrison bringing back The Lump though.

 

[Drz]

Could someone give any information regarding who those 2 baddies were? please. :P

 

[kyuubijavi1]

Look at the cover to Detective Comics 851: http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=10681

Thats a nice cover if any one's going to become the new Batman it should definitely be Dick.

 

[Cain]

Could someone give any information regarding who those 2 baddies were? please. :P

You're obviously not reading Final Crisis so google issue 2 which is where Batman got caught and you'll find your answers.

 

[Drz]

Thanks!

 

[Motown Marvel]

i think the super hyped moment is gonna happen in final crisis, RIP was just leading into it.

 

[Quinzel]

I don't believe the b-man is dead.

He's been killed by much more than that before.

and there was no body found, so...yeah.

 

[Saint]

Uh, we already know he isn't dead. It was never even a question. We've known for some time that Batman would survive this to go on to Final Crisis. The question posed to us by RIP is not whether he is dead, but what has happened between that point and his appearance in Final Crisis.