BATMAN: Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More

[Herr Logan]

But if you don't allow debate, aren't you just talking to hear yourself talk? I mean, really, isn't that just preaching to the choir?

The point would be the choir getting a chance to vent where the enemy can't bother us with ridiculous arguments designed to hide their own shame over superheroes.

I didn't create this place to be a rant thread, but since a few of us are pretty riled up after the appalling behavior and arguments we've seen of late, I'm giving the green light on ranting, as long as it's pro-source material ranting.

I sure as hell didn't create this place as a debate thread. If I want to debate, I'll do it on neutral territory (any thread that doesn't specify who can post what). Of course, said neutral thread could be closed down without warning and possibly erased from history at any moment (i.e., E-Mack's thread), but at least one could try. Either way, this is a pro-source material thread only, and any arguments that call for any sort of drastic deviation, or even small changes without apro-source material idea or statement, are forbidden. You know that's always been the rule, and now I have to be stricter about it.

I'll probably feel less of a need to pontificate about the possible sorry state of the upcoming Batman movie and the foolishness of its fans if there is more discussion of what this thread's really about (creation of something better and more faithful). As it is, venting's a good way to pass the time, since I'm bored out of my mind.

 

[Herr Logan]

One thing I'm a bit worried about with visualizing a video game that captures some of the Batman's greatest exploits is that it may come off as too easy if the cases were solved the same way they were in the comics, if the player has read them already. I suppose they could be padded, extended and altered significantly for the sake of providing a new story and a challenge. I'm not nearly as concerned with using old material for a movie as I am for a game, since you don't have as much of a personal stake in the movie as in an interactive story. Unless you're one of those pathetic drones who takes criticism of the movie personally, but that's another subject.

I would think that would be necessary for the Laughing Fish storyline if that were included in one of the games. One thing that's great about the Joker's threats is the suspense when the Batman is there to guard his intended targets. Anyone who's even so much as seen the animated series' version knows to look for the cat door in the second guy's home. Yeah, the cat could be too fast for the Batman or the game will force you to watch and wait with an FMV. Then again, the whole thing should probably be an FMV to at least pretend the player is surprised when it turns out Mr. Jackson is really the Batman and vice versa.

If I did the Laughing Fish story in a game, I'd probably want it to go along with some other stories that can be found in the TPB 'Strange Apparitions,' including Dr. Hugo Strange finding out whom the Batman is and trying to auction it off to the Batman's enemies, Councilman Rupert Thorn having Strange killed, and the ghost of Hugo Strange leaving a vapor analysis meter for the Batman to use to detect the chemical Strange sprayed the Joker with sometime earlier. What's that? Ghosts are too cheesy for the darker and serious tone Zaphod and I want in our movie franchise? Shut up. Ghosts in atmospheric video games kick ass and you know it. It's not like we're putting that in the movies or anything.

Anyway, a lot of the Batman's famous cases rested on specific, vital clues that could be used in the game as well, but if the player read those stories, they know exactly what to do instead of having to figure it out themselves. I think there's a way to add one or two big steps somewhere in there, so even though you're looking for what was in the comics, you may not find it until after figuring out a completely new inserted clue or lead. If that's the case, I'd put a warning in the game manual that says the stories have been altered for more challenging gameplay and that knowledge of the comic stories' cases alone won't be enough. That should save some time, in case the player spends hours looking for one thing when it isn't yet available or likely to be found. I do want the game as user friendly as possible, even if it's supposed to be very challenging.

The kind of detective work that would be in this game would truly be a first (as far as I know) and would resemble 'Law and Order' and other criminal justice shows in some ways in terms of how you're supposed to track people down. Of course, it's much different, since you don't have to follow the rules even as much as Lenny Briscoe chooses to when no one's looking. The second game needs to be more challenging, since you have more goodies at your disposal, both for tactical and investigative activities. The biggest factors I see right off as being big changes are the tracers and audio bugs. I've talked before about how those work. Someone either here or at the comic book store near my campus or both suggested that the Batcomputer filter the bug recordings according to certain keywords. There would be a lot of keywords, though. Crime words like "kill," "steal" and all of their many, many synonyms, "Batman," the names of every major criminal in the database, police related words, etc. would be included, and specific names of people would be added according to what cases you have open and who's involved in any way.

The other big upgrade you get in the second game, aside from the more verdsatile and comprehensive Batcomputer, is the new Batmobile. The new one is like the typical ones in the comics, cartoons and the Burton movies. It can drive itself, it's got ejector seats, it's built like a tank (but it doesn't look like one), and it has a Batcomputer console inside, rather than simply a GPS system like in the previous model.

Another upgrade is you can carry more gas capsules in your belt, because now they're smaller gel pellets instead of cannister grenades, which means less trips back to the car and Cave to restock. You'll also have a miniature computer with which you can hack and access your database, and several other advanced items to use. It would be so awesome...

 

[Zaphod]

What's that? Ghosts are too cheesy for the darker and serious tone Zaphod and I want in our movie franchise? Shut up. Ghosts in atmospheric video games kick ass and you know it. It's not like we're putting that in the movies or anything.

Damn right! 'Silent Hill', 'Project Zero', 'Forbidden Siren'...etc. Survival Horror actually lends itself quite well to Batman in many regards, in relation to the enviroments that the Dark Knight could explore in this hypothetical game sereis of yours. Wouldn't make it a particular focus or formula in the game, or a movie for that matter, just saying that it could work if you wanted it to. The bleeting sheep who advocate 'realism' at every junction would just have to like it or lump it, or spend there money elsewhere (yeah, right).

One thing I wanted to say already is that I want a good chunk of the scenes from Bruce's childhood to stay in the film 'Batman: Year One,' since I think they are important to the Batman's character, whereas the scenes of him outside the country are more important for the audience's understanding of his training. I'm unofficially calling your miniseries idea "Batman Abroad" for brevity's sake henceforth, just so you know, but I'm not mocking it... much.

This is something that needs addressing:

Firstly, I would have our movie open with Bruce coming back into Gotham after his 12 years sojourn, picking up events more or less immediatley from where 'Batman Abroad' will (presumably) leave off. Basically, it would resemble pretty much the opening of the 'Year One' graphic novel (with an extended sequence in the beggining, of Bruce in a car, being driven through Gotham by Alfred as he observes the desolation, corruption, poverty and crime on the streets). When Bruce does re-enter the Manor, I would include various (short) flashback sequences harking back to a young Bruce Wayne with his Parents, he's fall into the Cave and his Parents murder. As I say, these would be short and would be triggered of by Bruce revisting old locales both in the Manor and around Gotham City. For instance, when we see Bruce removing the boards which seal up the old well which leads down in the cave, we'd cut to the scene showing Bruce, age 6, falling through said boards and into the cave. Likewise, when we see scenes of Bruce, undercover and in disguise (via help from Alfred) scouting Crime Alley, collecting surveillance, we'd flash to the scene involving the Wayne's murder by Joe Chill. As you've problaly gained the implication, these flashbacks would be done in such a way as to rightly imply to the audience that they are coming from Bruce's own recollection as he builds up and prepares for his war on crime.

The focus of the sereis is Bruce's training, but it would also pay great attention to the events which caused and lead up to Bruce's departure from Gotham. To get an idea of this, think 'Lost': In that show, the present setting is the Island, that's Bruce's journey and training; the flashbacks reveal more and more about the characters little by little, that's the story of Bruce in Gotham (age 6 - 14). And yes, that means you can imagine 'Batman Abroad' to follow more or less a similar structure, with flashbacks etc. The movie is devoted to Batman proper, but that doesn't mean we cant spend some time on tying the origin elements into those of the movie, to show to the audience the continuity of the transition that Bruce makes between both mediums.

More to come later.

 

[greenlantern530]

Now there's people (The Official Batman Begins Sequel Plot Details Thread) saying they don't care if the Joker looks like the Joker. Like, at all. These are the same people who are okay with the Joker not being "zany," and yet they say that, "as long as the character is the Joker," and, "It seems the Joker will be the Joker when it counts: in characterisation and in terms of attitude and most importantly in terms of being a dark sadistic criminal."

I swear to God, this is getting out of control in the worst way. The outside world is getting more and more hostile. The center cannot hold!

The next time I see a suspicious person in this or any other Safe Haven, I'm going to officially revise the top posts' Ground Rules to repeat some things I said a little while ago about certain characters requiring certain visual features to in fact be the characters, and I'm going to write up an unfinished list of characters and a range of definitional guidelines for what counts as "faithful" in my not-even-close-to-humble opinion. I don't want to ever hear that kind of ridiculous nonsense in here, and the closer we get to these various sequels (not that we're even close to BB2), and the more idiotic choices are made (Movie!Venom, Heath Ledger as Movie!Joker, Russian Movie!Penguin, etc.) the more people start changing their definitions of what counts and does not count as a character.

Does that sound intolerant? God damn right it does! I'd rather the "welcome mat" for this thread series be stained with the blood of studio-worshipping sheep than tolerate the kind of disrespect these comic character-hating sycophants have for me and mine. Don't be surprised if things get more and more guarded around here.

Anyone have a problem with that? Take a look at Kame-Sennin's recent posts about future Movie!Batman costume choices and see what kind of reaction he gets for his well-constructed, thoughtful, comics-faithful arguments. That's why I refuse to be tolerant of people who disrespect the source material and embrace uncreative bastardizations.
No more Mr. Nice Guy. When the Joker's white skin, red lips, purple suit and occasionally whacky behavior gets pushed aside, the kid gloves come off.

I agree completely, someone on the "The Dark Knight (Spoilers)" Forum said Bane was too much of a "Comic Book Villian" to be in nolan's universe. What the hell? Some of the Begins Fans, swear It's a Gangster Movie series and not a comic book movie. DOn't Get Me wrong, I love Begins, it's my favorite CB adaptation as well, but it was not PErfect, and was a Comic Book movie.

I believe the suit should be black and dark grey, much like the recent comics suit and the suit from TNBA. The only thing I diagree with Herr Logan's Suit Idea, is the cowl. I didn't care for the burton cowl, and I would rather the ears be short, not as short as "Year One" but about the length of Jim Lee's All Star Batman.

 

[Herr Logan]

Damn right! 'Silent Hill', 'Project Zero', 'Forbidden Siren'...etc. Survival Horror actually lends itself quite well to Batman in many regards, in relation to the enviroments that the Dark Knight could explore in this hypothetical game sereis of yours. Wouldn't make it a particular focus or formula in the game, or a movie for that matter, just saying that it could work if you wanted it to. The bleeting sheep who advocate 'realism' at every junction would just have to like it or lump it, or spend there money elsewhere (yeah, right).

Damn skippy.

Ghostly memory visions are great, too. If you've seen 'The Suffering,' you know what I mean.

This is something that needs addressing:

Firstly, I would have our movie open with Bruce coming back into Gotham after his 12 years sojourn, picking up events more or less immediatley from where 'Batman Abroad' will (presumably) leave off. Basically, it would resemble pretty much the opening of the 'Year One' graphic novel (with an extended sequence in the beggining, of Bruce in a car, being driven through Gotham by Alfred as he observes the desolation, corruption, poverty and crime on the streets). When Bruce does re-enter the Manor, I would include various (short) flashback sequences harking back to a young Bruce Wayne with his Parents, he's fall into the Cave and his Parents murder. As I say, these would be short and would be triggered of by Bruce revisting old locales both in the Manor and around Gotham City. For instance, when we see Bruce removing the boards which seal up the old well which leads down in the cave, we'd cut to the scene showing Bruce, age 6, falling through said boards and into the cave. Likewise, when we see scenes of Bruce, undercover and in disguise (via help from Alfred) scouting Crime Alley, collecting surveillance, we'd flash to the scene involving the Wayne's murder by Joe Chill. As you've problaly gained the implication, these flashbacks would be done in such a way as to rightly imply to the audience that they are coming from Bruce's own recollection as he builds up and prepares for his war on crime.

The focus of the sereis is Bruce's training, but it would also pay great attention to the events which caused and lead up to Bruce's departure from Gotham. To get an idea of this, think 'Lost': In that show, the present setting is the Island, that's Bruce's journey and training; the flashbacks reveal more and more about the characters little by little, that's the story of Bruce in Gotham (age 6 - 14). And yes, that means you can imagine 'Batman Abroad' to follow more or less a similar structure, with flashbacks etc. The movie is devoted to Batman proper, but that doesn't mean we cant spend some time on tying the origin elements into those of the movie, to show to the audience the continuity of the transition that Bruce makes between both mediums.

More to come later.

Excellent. I think that pattern works very well.

I think the places he went and people he met should be mentioned through dialogue between Bruce and Alfred, but like we've agreed, the actual scenes would be in the miniseries only.

Here are some things I wrote down a while ago that I want to include in the childhood flashbacks, with memory prompts now included:

• Bruce Wayne's childhood and early teen years, starting from the day he fell through some rotted boards covering up a hole that leads into the massive cave beneath Wayne Manor. Bruce is attacked by bats, first just one (the "omen-bat", then hundreds rush in and swirl around him. Bruce develops bat-phobia because of this. This is at age 6. You already covered the memory prompt for this one.
• When Bruce is 8, Thomas (a philanthropist and renowned surgeon) and Martha (an influential social worker and activist) Wayne are murdered outside of a Park Row theater playing a special showing of 'The Mark of Zorro,' which Bruce insisted upon seeing with his parents. They were murdered at precisely 10:47pm, and Bruce remembers this. This memory is prompted by Bruce seeing the run-down and closed up Monarch Theater.
• During this length of time, Bruce is consumed with his mission to be "the best" at everything that may help him prevent, stop and avenge violent crimes like that which took his parents from him. He will train his mind and body to a great extent between the ages of 8 and 14, the only limit being those set on the basis of safety by family friend, Dr. Leslie Thompkins, and his legal guardian, Alfred Pennyworth. He becomes a young athlete and tests extremely highly on intelligence tests. During all this, he has practically no friends and spends very little time doing anything other than building his wealth of knowledge and physical skills (ex. gymnastics, martial arts). The flashback scenes that tell this story are prompted by various rooms in the Manor and especially exercise equipment and the fencing room.
• At school, Bruce violently intervenes when one fellow student extorts another for money and is suspended for it. I don't know what prompts this exactly, but this is something Leslie Thompkins recalled of Bruce in a poignant pre-Crisis comic, and I want this in there. It should probably be Leslie recalling it again, when she meets the Batman in Crime Alley on the anniversary of his parents death, at 10:47pm. She'll express regret for not steering him onto a more peaceful path, but will say that she thinks his heart is in the right place, just like back in school when he sent that bully to the nurse's office with a bloody nose.
• Throughout all his early life sequences, there is a strong focus on the psychology of Bruce. This raises questions in Leslie and Alfred about just how damaged Bruce became when his parents died, and how he hasn't healed from it nearly at all. Psychologists suggest the possibility that Bruce may have a schizoid personality disorder (a pervasive pattern of detachment from social relationships and a restricted range of expression of emotions in interpersonal settings) that surfaced much earlier in life than is usual. This diagnosis is left somewhat ambiguous, but the criteria will be listed, and viewers who are paying attention may remember and identify those behaviors in the Batman when Bruce is grown. It is supposed to be ambiguous, because the Batman is anything but passive during stressful situations, and Bruce Wayne is extremely adept at faking social skills and empathy. Scenes showing this could be prompted by Alfred giving his thoughts as to Bruce's state of mind.
• Age 13-14: Bruce shows a little bit of unambiguous enjoyment when driving fast cars and motorcycles (illegally, as he's not of legal age to drive at this point). He learns this from former racing champions and the like, paid on the sly. One easy way to transition here is to either have the Batman checking off his list of necessities for crimefighting and say to Alfred, "I'll need transportation." "Oh, dear," and Alfred now recalls Bruce's love of fast cars.
• Age 13-14: Bruce attends college courses during his early teens, studying many subjects, including criminology, law, and various physical sciences. This could be prompted by Bruce walking into the Manor's library. As he walks through the stacks, it easily transitions into young Bruce walking through the stacks at the library of Gotham State University. He walks up to the librarian's desk and librarian asks if there's something he's looking for in particular. He says he's looking for everything they've got on crime. "Everything?" "Everything."
• Age 14: Bruce departs Gotham City alone on a plane for Europe. First stop, Cambridge. This could follow and end the previous flashback sequence, where he decidesthere is nothing more that Gotham can teach him.

Thoughts?

 

[Herr Logan]

I agree completely, someone on the "The Dark Knight (Spoilers)" Forum said Bane was too much of a "Comic Book Villian" to be in nolan's universe. What the hell? Some of the Begins Fans, swear It's a Gangster Movie series and not a comic book movie. DOn't Get Me wrong, I love Begins, it's my favorite CB adaptation as well, but it was not PErfect, and was a Comic Book movie.

Bane would probably make a superb Batman villain if done right. But oh no, he's got drug-induced superhuman strength, so he can't be in a Batman movie. God forbid show a villain who's both a physical and mental match for the Batman.

I wouldn't bring him in unless the series (my hypothetical series) became very long, simply because other villains were in line first, but just like with Clayface and Manbat, it's got nothing at all to do with realism.

I believe the suit should be black and dark grey, much like the recent comics suit and the suit from TNBA.

Excellent.

The only thing I diagree with Herr Logan's Suit Idea, is the cowl. I didn't care for the burton cowl, and I would rather the ears be short, not as short as "Year One" but about the length of Jim Lee's All Star Batman.

The hell you say!!

A matter purely of preference, requiring no argument either way.

Welcome to the Haven, Greenlantern530, and thanks much for posting.

 

[The Sage]

Damn skippy.

Ghostly memory visions are great, too. If you've seen 'The Suffering,' you know what I mean.



Excellent. I think that pattern works very well.

I think the places he went and people he met should be mentioned through dialogue between Bruce and Alfred, but like we've agreed, the actual scenes would be in the miniseries only.

Here are some things I wrote down a while ago that I want to include in the childhood flashbacks, with memory prompts now included:

• Bruce Wayne's childhood and early teen years, starting from the day he fell through some rotted boards covering up a hole that leads into the massive cave beneath Wayne Manor. Bruce is attacked by bats, first just one (the "omen-bat", then hundreds rush in and swirl around him. Bruce develops bat-phobia because of this. This is at age 6. You already covered the memory prompt for this one.
• When Bruce is 8, Thomas (a philanthropist and renowned surgeon) and Martha (an influential social worker and activist) Wayne are murdered outside of a Park Row theater playing a special showing of 'The Mark of Zorro,' which Bruce insisted upon seeing with his parents. They were murdered at precisely 10:47pm, and Bruce remembers this. This memory is prompted by Bruce seeing the run-down and closed up Monarch Theater.
• During this length of time, Bruce is consumed with his mission to be "the best" at everything that may help him prevent, stop and avenge violent crimes like that which took his parents from him. He will train his mind and body to a great extent between the ages of 8 and 14, the only limit being those set on the basis of safety by family friend, Dr. Leslie Thompkins, and his legal guardian, Alfred Pennyworth. He becomes a young athlete and tests extremely highly on intelligence tests. During all this, he has practically no friends and spends very little time doing anything other than building his wealth of knowledge and physical skills (ex. gymnastics, martial arts). The flashback scenes that tell this story are prompted by various rooms in the Manor and especially exercise equipment and the fencing room.
• At school, Bruce violently intervenes when one fellow student extorts another for money and is suspended for it. I don't know what prompts this exactly, but this is something Leslie Thompkins recalled of Bruce in a poignant pre-Crisis comic, and I want this in there. It should probably be Leslie recalling it again, when she meets the Batman in Crime Alley on the anniversary of his parents death, at 10:47pm. She'll express regret for not steering him onto a more peaceful path, but will say that she thinks his heart is in the right place, just like back in school when he sent that bully to the nurse's office with a bloody nose.
• Throughout all his early life sequences, there is a strong focus on the psychology of Bruce. This raises questions in Leslie and Alfred about just how damaged Bruce became when his parents died, and how he hasn't healed from it nearly at all. Psychologists suggest the possibility that Bruce may have a schizoid personality disorder (a pervasive pattern of detachment from social relationships and a restricted range of expression of emotions in interpersonal settings) that surfaced much earlier in life than is usual. This diagnosis is left somewhat ambiguous, but the criteria will be listed, and viewers who are paying attention may remember and identify those behaviors in the Batman when Bruce is grown. It is supposed to be ambiguous, because the Batman is anything but passive during stressful situations, and Bruce Wayne is extremely adept at faking social skills and empathy. Scenes showing this could be prompted by Alfred giving his thoughts as to Bruce's state of mind.
• Age 13-14: Bruce shows a little bit of unambiguous enjoyment when driving fast cars and motorcycles (illegally, as he's not of legal age to drive at this point). He learns this from former racing champions and the like, paid on the sly. One easy way to transition here is to either have the Batman checking off his list of necessities for crimefighting and say to Alfred, "I'll need transportation." "Oh, dear," and Alfred now recalls Bruce's love of fast cars.
• Age 13-14: Bruce attends college courses during his early teens, studying many subjects, including criminology, law, and various physical sciences. This could be prompted by Bruce walking into the Manor's library. As he walks through the stacks, it easily transitions into young Bruce walking through the stacks at the library of Gotham State University. He walks up to the librarian's desk and librarian asks if there's something he's looking for in particular. He says he's looking for everything they've got on crime. "Everything?" "Everything."
• Age 14: Bruce departs Gotham City alone on a plane for Europe. First stop, Cambridge. This could follow and end the previous flashback sequence, where he decidesthere is nothing more that Gotham can teach him.

Thoughts?

That's excellent. I actually had an idea for a Bruce Wayne TV series, where Bruce at 19, drops out of college and goes to France looking for Henri Ducard to get the best detective training. Also, what about Bruce getting martial arts training during his off-time in his college years?

 

[Zaphod]

That's excellent. I actually had an idea for a Bruce Wayne TV series, where Bruce at 19, drops out of college and goes to France looking for Henri Ducard to get the best detective training. Also, what about Bruce getting martial arts training during his off-time in his college years?

Henri Ducard is included in my hypothetical Bruce Wayne TV sereis, and plays a fairly major part. I have nothing set in stone for how he's scenes play out, except for those transitioned from the comics, but he teaches Bruce many vital skills and is the source of a moral lesson for Bruce.

Bruce would already be a first rate fighter while attending College. He fenced with Alfred in the Manor before he left for his sojourn around the world, and would be shown as highly skilled. He lifts weights, and can street fight exceptionally, however he's combat would take a real turn when he comes under the tutlege of Master Kirigi in Korea. You could say that up until then, while Bruce is a highly skilled fighter for his age, he underestimates his own skill when brought into contact against fully fledged Martial Artists.

 

[The Sage]

Henri Ducard is included in my hypothetical Bruce Wayne TV sereis, and plays a fairly major part. I have nothing set in stone for how he's scenes play out, except for those transitioned from the comics, but he teaches Bruce many vital skills and is the source of a moral lesson for Bruce.

Bruce would already be a first rate fighter while attending College. He fenced with Alfred in the Manor before he left for his sojourn around the world, and would be shown as highly skilled. He lifts weights, and can street fight exceptionally, however he's combat would take a real turn when he comes under the tutlege of Master Kirigi in Korea. You could say that up until then, while Bruce is a highly skilled fighter for his age, he underestimates his own skill when brought into contact against fully fledged Martial Artists.

Nice. I was thinking Henri Ducard would also teach Bruce some streetfighting skills as well.

Is your TV series idea in this thread? I'd be interested in reading it.

 

[Tojo]

I don't believ it. i jut wrote an epic statement about Batman Begins and why Nolans approach was better but i got logged out and now it's lost. F**K!!!

 

[Herr Logan]

I don't believ it. i jut wrote an epic statement about Batman Begins and why Nolans approach was better but i got logged out and now it's lost. F**K!!!

Better than what, exactly?

If it's an anti-source material statement you're planning on posting, you'll be reported for trolling immediately.

If it's a pro-source material statement, then forgive my paranoia.

 

[Herr Logan]

That's excellent. I actually had an idea for a Bruce Wayne TV series, where Bruce at 19, drops out of college and goes to France looking for Henri Ducard to get the best detective training. Also, what about Bruce getting martial arts training during his off-time in his college years?

Thank ye kindly.

I would think Bruce would have pretty much learned any fighting techniques Ducard could teach him. What he learns from Ducard is which ones to use when to use them to get what he wants out of a person. He's more of a "people skills" mentor on top of the manhunting training. Street smarts and how to apply the rest of his knowledge in an urban environment (Paris). As Zaphod said, he's the source of a moral lesson, but that lesson is "Ducard's an a$$hole, so don't be too much like him."

We haven't figured out the fine points of the sequences, yet, but I'm sure Zaphod's got ideas a-brewin'.

Thanks again for posting.

 

[Tojo]

Better than what, exactly?

If it's an anti-source material statement you're planning on posting, you'll be reported for trolling immediately.

If it's a pro-source material statement, then forgive my paranoia.

WTF? Why should i be reported for trolling? As it happens, yes, it was an anti-source material statement. Actually it was more or a anti-source material obsessed fanboy statement, and it was long but now it is gone so that's that.

 

[Herr Logan]

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I'm going to leave soon for a trip to the beach for the weekend (it's not as nice as it sounds... not if you're me), and I won't have internet access until Sunday night, probably.

I'm deputizing Zaphod and Kame-Sennin as enforcers in here (and any other Safe Havens he frequents) until I get back.

Zaphod and Kame-sennin, kindly report anyone who makes a clear violation of the rules and issue warnings to those who seem like they might soon. Much appreciated, and sorry for the burden. Things are getting hot on these topics lately and I have reason to expect intrusion. I have faith in you guys.

 

[Herr Logan]

WTF? Why should i be reported for trolling? As it happens, yes, it was an anti-source material statement. Actually it was more or a anti-source material obsessed fanboy statement, and it was long but now it is gone so that's that.

You are not allowed to post anti-source material statements in here, nor are you allowed to use the word "fanboy" in a derogatory manner. Do so once more and you'll be reported. The rules of this thread are posted on the first page in the first post. Read them and follow them or stay out. This is your absolute last warning, and don't think I haven't cleared this thread and its rules with the mods already.

 

[New Shh! user.]

You are not allowed to post anti-source material statements in here, nor are you allowed to use the word "fanboy" in a derogatory manner. Do so once more and you'll be reported. The rules of this thread are posted on the first page in the first post. Read them and follow them or stay out. This is your absolute last warning, and don't think I haven't cleared this thread and its rules with the mods already.

lmao sounds like a police state.

 

[Herr Logan]

lmao sounds like a police state.

Damn right.


I'm actually pretty open to people's suggestions when it comes to even constructing my ideas. However, I put the rules up in the original thread over a year ago, and only slight modifications have been made in the individual Safe Haven threads. I'm not messing around when it comes to the rules, because then these threads lose their value.

If people want to post things that are prohibited by the rules, they've not only got almost the entire rest of the superhero forums (I don't know how many other threads with specific rules like this there are), but they can make their own. I don't venture into any thread that's pro-studio or anti-source material only, and I expect the same self-restraint from everyone on the other side of the issue.

 

[Zaphod]

Is your TV series idea in this thread? I'd be interested in reading it.

No, not yet. At the moment, what I do have planned out for the sereis (which isn't a great deal as of yet) is tucked away in the thoughts of my imagination. Feel free to pitch in with ideas which you think I could use, just expect me to be a bit strict with what I want.

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I'm going to leave soon for a trip to the beach for the weekend (it's not as nice as it sounds... not if you're me), and I won't have internet access until Sunday night, probably.

I'm deputizing Zaphod and Kame-Sennin as enforcers in here (and any other Safe Havens he frequents) until I get back.

Zaphod and Kame-sennin, kindly report anyone who makes a clear violation of the rules and issue warnings to those who seem like they might soon. Much appreciated, and sorry for the burden. Things are getting hot on these topics lately and I have reason to expect intrusion. I have faith in you guys.

No problem, Herr. It's no burden really, I'll be a little busy with other things this weekend, but no more than is usual. I'll try and get a good deal posted while your gone so you have something to come back to.

lmao sounds like a police state.

The rules are rules, they're there because unfortunately this board is currently more populated with anti-source materal posters than those who want a faithfull product. This place is a 'Safe Haven', so we're not asking you to like it or take part in it, but we ask you to respect it, and that means adhering to the rules. Feel free to start your own thread in a different forum, but dont bring it here when the rules clearly state otherwise and have been set in stone for a long time. This is your last warning, so please, dont do it again.

EDIT: Apologise to the above poster quoted, it was my mistake and the comment still stands in opposition toTojo's post, not yours New Shh! poster.

 

[Herr Logan]

No problem, Herr. It's no burden really, I'll be a little busy with other things this weekend, but no more than is usual. I'll try and get a good deal posted while your gone so you have something to come back to.

Thanks, man. I really appreciate it.

I guess I'll be around probably less than an hour now and then I'm off.

The rules are rules, they're there because unfortunately this board is currently more populated with anti-source materal posters than those who want a faithfull product. This place is a 'Safe Haven', so we're not asking you to like it or take part in it, but we ask you to respect it, and that means adhering to the rules. Feel free to start your own thread in a different forum, but dont bring it here when the rules clearly state otherwise and have been set in stone for a long time. This is your last warning, so please, dont do it again.

The badge looks good on you.

 

[New Shh! user.]

This is your last warning, so please, dont do it again.

I haven't done anything, so don't give me that last warning crap.

Herr, when you put it like that then it's a good idea. Nice thread

Although i'm not exactly pro-source, i'm not pro-studio either. I think you may have blurred that line too easily. Having said that, i do have some ideas for a story which i will post here. Yes, it is in the tradition of what is 'cannon' in comic continuity. I actually started thinking about it when i watched Batman Begins, which i detested. Not because it screwed with source material i might add.

 

[Zaphod]

I haven't done anything, so don't give me that last warning crap.

I will apologise on account that I thought what I quoted was by Tojo, since your response was to Herr after he's post to Tojo.

 

[Herr Logan]

I haven't done anything, so don't give me that last warning crap.

I set a paranoid (often justifiably so) example, so that's where that came from. We're all a bit defensive here, for valid reasons.

Herr, when you put it like that then it's a good idea. Nice thread

Thank you kindly. Welcome to the Haven.

Although i'm not exactly pro-source, i'm not pro-studio either. I think you may have blurred that line too easily. Having said that, i do have some ideas for a story which i will post here. Yes, it is in the tradition of what is 'cannon' in comic continuity. I actually started thinking about it when i watched Batman Begins, which i detested. Not because it screwed with source material i might add.

As long as it falls within the rules posted at the top of the thread, post away.

Out of curiosity, why did you detest 'Batman Begins'?

 

[Cullen]

But if you don't allow debate, aren't you just talking to hear yourself talk? I mean, really, isn't that just preaching to the choir?

As I see it, only one aspect of discussing adaptations has been closed: doing things the way Hollywood has been doing them. I think we've got enough opinionated, mouthy people in this thread to keep it from becoming a "Ditto all that!" type thread.

 

[Zaphod]

I realise this thread isn't a blog, but I feel the need to sing my praises:

The exams which so diverted my attention away from the 'Batman Safe-Haven' have come back to me with my results: Two A's, two C's and a B. For those at all curious, I take English Literature, History, Drama and was previously taking Media Studies. Again, probaly none of you are interested, but there you go.

In other more topical news, I've been doing some thinking on the Penguin's role in the 'Batman: Year One' movie of ours, and I have decided that he's purpose and role need to be bigger, more involved with the villain-threat (excepting Falcone, since that would be pervading the entire film anyway). I'm planning to post something about this soon enough, bear with me since theres alot.

 

[Herr Logan]

As I see it, only one aspect of discussing adaptations has been closed: doing things the way Hollywood has been doing them. I think we've got enough opinionated, mouthy people in this thread to keep it from becoming a "Ditto all that!" type thread.

Yeah, that's right.

Thanks for the compliment, Cullen.