BvS Batman/Superman Pushed Back to 2016 - Part 1

[Mjölnir]

If we pretend the Marvel movies never happened and have nothing to compare the DCCU to, the idea of getting a JLA film AT ALL whether there are individual solo films leading up to it or not is still pretty sweet and thrilling. That's kind of the way I look at it, even the whole Batman/Superman movie thing....although you could argue some of it may not have been on the forefront of WB's mind if not for The Avengers (but the idea of a JLA film and a Superman/Batman movie has been around before The Avengers movie plans I think). If you think about it, The Avengers film may not have been as successful if they did not introduce the other characters individually and introduced them in one film, because people aren't as familiar with them as they are the JLA....it's almost the only way an Avengers movie could be a guaranteed success....JLA on the other hand, most of those characters people know somewhat without having solo films, more so than The Avengers characters at least, so I'd say if they did both a JLA film and Avengers film individually and introduced all the characters in the ensemble pic instead of in their individual films leading up to it, I'm pretty certain the JLA film would be the more successful of the two.

I'm not saying that the JLA stuff is wrong, I was only questioning the notion that a studio making two movies per year is focusing too much on quantity. I don't think there is a big earning studio that does fewer movies.

As for build up JLA of course has Batman and Superman who are easily top tier of well-known superheroes. Where I live none of the other were more famous than the Avengers members though (and certainly not now), so it varies depending on location. I think the JLA movie will also be helped by that the concept of a superhero team movie, made up of fairly individual heroes, has been established now.

 

[Lord]

I think Wonder Woman and the Flash were more popular than most Avengers character, one is a female icon and the other has sometimes become the sinonimous with speed. Aquaman is famous, but mostly in the USA i think, oustide, most only know him due to Family Guy jokes.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Why not take the writers of the DC animated movies...

...and have them write live action DC films?

 

[Lord]

Not sure about that, some of the DCAU films aren't that good, and even those like Wonder Woman would need a better explanation for Wonder Woman's costume, as well as making Ares a little more interesting

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

With a longer running time, they'd have more time to add depth and complexity to those stories, so I'm not too worried. Besides, if there was a director like Snyder who was more flexible in terms of vision, I'm sure the results would turn out AWESOMELY.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I'm a bit late to this party, but I have to say, my initial reaction was "Waaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!"

 

[InJustice]

Thats why WB should make a DC studio to make those movies. It would be like Disney only coming out with the occasional Marvel movie now that they own them.

You're oversimplifying it. Look at the economics between Disney and WB, and you'll notice that WB can't really fit a DC Studios in their balance sheet like Disney can with Marvel, at least without burning through so much of their assets.

 

[Masone]

I have a hard time seeing how a movie studio making two movies a year is focusing too much on quantity.

Marvel is not a big film studio. They are more focused on getting films and characters out there as opposed to the quality of said films. Every time we turn around there is an announcement of another Marvel movie or another character appearing in one of the Marvel movies. They have all these movies in various forms of development at one time. After flaunting this approach as something that's desirable(as opposed to DC's approach), you can't now claim that they don't do this. They do, and their films have suffered for it.

They're like a network TV series, 23 episodes a year, hectic schedule, filler episodes, stretched stories, more focused on quantity. Your typical NCIS type show. DC's approach is more like a 10 episode cable series, a Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones. More focused on the actual content than just hurrying up and getting to the next episode.

 

[InJustice]

Why not take the writers of the DC animated movies...

...and have them write live action DC films?

If you're talking about Timm, I guess you want a boring Justice league with Batman getting the richest character development, while everyone else gets passable character development.

But for all other movies, they're essentially taken from the comics, so it's really nothing new that they did.

 

[The Guard]

If you're talking about Timm, I guess you want a boring Justice league with Batman getting the richest character development, while everyone else gets passable character development.

But for all other movies, they're essentially taken from the comics, so it's really nothing new that they did.

Batman got "rich character development" in the Justice League animated series?

News to me.

 

[Masone]

Like GL, for example.

Everyone is allowed 1 mistake.

 

[InJustice]

Batman got "rich character development" in the Justice League animated series?

News to me.

Do you really think other characters got the same treatment as Batman did? I mean, they might as well make Batman a superhero with the help he's been getting from the writing department.

 

[roach]

No character in Justice League got character development...as in the character went thru changes from the begin in got the end except for GL and Hawkgirl.

 

[InJustice]

He IS a superhero. Just not a super-powered one.

I should've clarified that

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

No character in Justice League got character development...as in the character went thru changes from the begin in got the end except for GL and Hawkgirl.

Least of all Batman. We already had his entire character arc planned out with the two Batman animated series and Batman Beyond.

 

[Marvin]

He was obviously still their favorite, though. Especially with that Batman Beyond/future/past whatever episode. Rightly so too, for that matter, as it got the ball rolling in the 90's.

How is that indicative of Timm playing favorites. WB greenlit a batman beyond concept cause due to all this film and pop culture success they knew they would get a show with ratings and thus toy sales..Thus batman beyond was born. As to why that lead to a batman beyond cross over...well it's not like they were given an opportunity to make a flash beyond crossover.

Long story short, your talking about where the producers saw money and plot opportunity as opposed to Timm playing favorites.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Disney delays THOR TDW by ~4 months (with the director dropping out), STAR WARS Episode VII by ~6 months (with the script being rewritten), and PIRATES by ~12 months, nobody blinks an eye....

but if WB say their going to delay Batman/Superman by 10 months, then everyone loses their minds!

 

[Mjölnir]

Marvel is not a big film studio. They are more focused on getting films and characters out there as opposed to the quality of said films. Every time we turn around there is an announcement of another Marvel movie or another character appearing in one of the Marvel movies. They have all these movies in various forms of development at one time. After flaunting this approach as something that's desirable(as opposed to DC's approach), you can't now claim that they don't do this. They do, and their films have suffered for it.

They're like a network TV series, 23 episodes a year, hectic schedule, filler episodes, stretched stories, more focused on quantity. Your typical NCIS type show. DC's approach is more like a 10 episode cable series, a Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones. More focused on the actual content than just hurrying up and getting to the next episode.

I disagree. They are focused on building the MCU and no, I don't think two movies per year is high quantity even for a small studio. That they plan ahead does not change that whatsoever, it's rather the contrary as it allows for proper planning and not just rushing things out. If they just wanted to get as many characters out there as possible, and were willing to sacrifice quality to get it done, they could easily do more movies. WB had 10 times more movies coming out under their banner, so does that mean they just rush things out left and right? They have had big franchises coming out with movies yearly, which is larger than what Marvel is doing. There's definitely the resources to make more DC movies with the same amount of preparation as they already have. The difference is that WB is making a ton of other movies as well and they call the shots rather than DC.

As for quality I can't really agree either. To me MoS is the superhero movie from this year with the most amount of errors in it (inconsistencies in internal logic etc) so I don't think the amount of movies have anything to do with quality. Which movie any given individual thinks was the best is entirely subjective so that's not really much to discuss, although I guess you could look at how the movies have been received overall (that wouldn't benefit MoS either), but that's not something I really care about myself. Looking back to things that aren't part of the JLA stuff I don't know if anything but Nolan's trilogy stands out.

I don't agree with your analogy as I don't think any superhero movies have the equivalent movie status comprared to what Breaking Bad and GoT (closer to the latter though) have in the world of TV shows. The analogy isn't really functional either. For example, GoT is 10 episodes because they can't handle shooting more even though they would like to. If they could do more they wouldn't have to rush the plot from the books so much but it's just not possible for them to film more.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

WB defintely have the resources to create more DC films. However the infighting amongst the studio has always been a bulwark, and so, the inclination to create them isn't there.

Maybe the re-centralised control of Warner Brothers (both New Line and DCE has been brought under WB management) could be a good thing.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

No character in Justice League got character development...as in the character went thru changes from the begin in got the end except for GL and Hawkgirl.

I would say maybe Martian Manhunter. As a kid, that show introduced me to Martian Manhunter. He was one of the most badass members and I loved his backstory.

That Christmas episode also gets me every time.

 

[JackMercy]

Disney delays THOR TDW by ~4 months (with the director dropping out), STAR WARS Episode VII by ~6 months (with the script being rewritten), and PIRATES by ~12 months, nobody blinks an eye....

The Thor sequel wasn't moved due to creative issues; they planned these "unconventional" dates for the Thor and Cap follow-ups...Marvel and Disney made a different choice for a release date, and Patty Jenkins had just been hired...and this was done early on, in fall 2011. Studios shift a lot of things in early planning...

 

[dnno1]

I want to think the delay was because they made the decision to film both MOS2 and Justice League together and they did not have the script for the latter film ready yet. The 6 month filming delay gives them time to write the script and complete their castings. There may also be some additional visual effects that we are not aware about that might need some time to complete as well. I know that people like John Campea have called this a blunder or a SNAFU, but I want to believe that it was more of a business decision that would save them money as well as complete their vision of having the films act more as a serial rather than two sets of standalone movies.

 

[The Guard]

He was obviously still their favorite, though. Especially with that Batman Beyond/future/past whatever episode. Rightly so too, for that matter, as it got the ball rolling in the 90's.

Being their favorite is not the same as "getting rich character development".

So he was clearly their favorite...so what?

Batman's a lot of people's favorite character.

 

[The Guard]

Do you really think other characters got the same treatment as Batman did? I mean, they might as well make Batman a superhero with the help he's been getting from the writing department.

Honestly, in a lot of ways, yes. In terms of character development, featured stories, all of it. JUSTICE LEAGUE was a pretty well balanced show in a lot of ways.

The difference between Batman and the others is he had no superpowers, and had to be a lot more clever. And since, as a character, he IS, what's the issue, exactly?

This whole hating on the Batgod thing seems to be more of a "it felt like" thing and not an analysis of what Batman on the show was actually like most of the time.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Disney delays THOR TDW by ~4 months (with the director dropping out), STAR WARS Episode VII by ~6 months (with the script being rewritten), and PIRATES by ~12 months, nobody blinks an eye....

but if WB say their going to delay Batman/Superman by 10 months, then everyone loses their minds!

And yet they are still starting main principal filming in April or May