BvS Batman/Superman Pushed Back to 2016 - Part 1

[KRYPTON INC.]

Does Terio have any affinity for genre/franchise material? Any thing on that front? I know him form ARGO and that's pretty much it.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Lol hate Marvel much?

Jeez did they kidnap your kids or steal your job?

Ant Man will do fine up against Pan (probably do very well considering its coming 2 months after AoU) and untitled 2016 project will probably do fine up against BvS (300-500mil range would be respectable as a new solo project I'd assume) or be moved since its far off anyways.

I don't think it's as big as a competition as you make it out to be, Marvels money will be there on name alone, and WB will for sure make it big on BvS, at least 2-300mil more than what MoS made. (Putting it around 800-900m I think right?)

No I don't hate Marvel much. I just hate the attitude of some their fans...thinking they're films are so great and invincible. It's a myth. Especially when most of their films are not very good at all IMO.

Plus I want to see the DCCU become established so I can see something different than the same ol same ol Marvel stuff. I was fooled by Thor and IM2, but they didn't fool me on IM3, CA, and Thor 2. The first IM film I really liked, but I thought the Avengers was just way overrated.

 

[MrsKent26]

Does Terio have any affinity for genre/franchise material? Any thing on that front? I know him form ARGO and that's pretty much it.

No, he hasn't really done much besides Argo.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Does Terio have any affinity for genre/franchise material? Any thing on that front? I know him form ARGO and that's pretty much it.

Goyer, Snyder and especially his Argo collaborator Affleck are the ones that have the experience and knowledge of the CB genre. I'm sure Terrio will be provided with some CB knowledge by those folks if he doesn't have some already.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I agree, he will be given a lot of "cbm data" to punch up the script, but love him or hate him, Goyer is a passionate super hero fan and he's done a lot of work and thinking on these kinds of characters. I guess I would feel a smidge more hopeful (and I am actually VERY hopeful for this film) if Terio was known to be a fan of either Scifi, fantasy or super heroes. Cest la vie.

 

[mkilban2]

No I don't hate Marvel much. I just hate the attitude of some their fans...thinking they're films are so great and invincible. It's a myth. Especially when most of their films are not very good at all IMO.

Plus I want to see the DCCU become established so I can see something different than the same ol same ol Marvel stuff. I was fooled by Thor and IM2, but they didn't fool me on IM3, CA, and Thor 2. The first IM film I really liked, but I thought the Avengers was just way overrated.

And your opinion, while valid and respected, would be in the vast minority towards Marvel.

I want to see both studios doing amazing things, Marvel is already there and chugging away in my eyes and DC/WB has the potential right at their fingertips to do the same. I hope they make it happen.

I've enjoyed everything MCU so far, nothing is top 10 movie matieral, but what they've done on creating an entire interweaved universe is incredible. Phase 2 has been my favorites of the films thus far and seems like the rest will be good as well, I'm excited for their films going forward.

I'd like to see something of the DCCU before then as well but I'm willing to patiently wait until 2016 since there's really no other option haha.

I don't think the studios can really be compare at this monent because its MCU with 8 films out to DCCU with 1, and by the time DCCU has two Marvel will have 12 or 13 done, so it's pretty unfair to compare the companies in my eyes.

 

[Adder]

Lol hate Marvel much?

Jeez did they kidnap your kids or steal your job?

Ant Man will do fine up against Pan (probably do very well considering its coming 2 months after AoU) and untitled 2016 project will probably do fine up against BvS (300-500mil range would be respectable as a new solo project I'd assume) or be moved since its far off anyways.

I don't think it's as big as a competition as you make it out to be, Marvels money will be there on name alone, and WB will for sure make it big on BvS, at least 2-300mil more than what MoS made. (Putting it around 800-900m I think right?)

He's a Nolanite, those people are not sane. they think TDK was better the the godfather

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

He's a Nolanite, those people are not sane. they think TDK was better the the godfather

Yeah, and we all know that art is a completely objective endeavor that has totally rational rules and guidelines. I mean, at least according to the Unified Field Theory of Art and the Art Equations.

(ps, I am not even a huge defender of TDK, but if someone wants to like/love it... Who am I to say they are somehow OBJECTIVELY wrong?)

 

[king666]

Wrong!!! MOS is a great film and it did received that "reviews" because of some people wanting smth and clearly don't recieving that as (Superman being the omnipresent hero, the polemic things, wanting a comedy and more nosense things) then its a "bad film".
that's why they receive those "impartial" reviews and clearly seeing some inferior movies that got 72% and they didn't deserved it proves the point. The story of the movie has its flaws (every movie has), no doubt of that but one thing for sure this story is clearly superior to most of the cmb and is one of the best in the genre, a thing that some people have to deal with it.

The movie has big, big flaws. Don't blame the critics.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The tomatometer is more accurate for what it wants to tell you, but the problem is that people confuse the importance of what it's telling you. It's not a measure of quality so much as accessibility or how widely appealing something is.

A movie with a 90% tomatometer doesn't mean that they thought it was a 9/10 movie, yet that's the takeaway for a lot of people. If 100% of critics think that a movie is around a 6-7, it can still have a 100% tomatometer.

Mission Impossible Ghost Protocool had a tomatometer in the 90's but an average score in the 7's, opposed to say 12 Years a Slave or something that has an average score in the 9's, yet people talk about that Mission Impossible movie like the score was a 9/10.

It's just a shame that a lot of people see MOS as having been 'slammed by critics' while Thor TDW was 'another solid entry in the MCU'.

It's a shame no one paid much attention to this post considering how great it is, considering RT doesn't average out reviews.

Man of Steel and The Dark World were recieved pretty much identically, similar scores on all major review sites, and similar box office gross. Superman may be the most iconic hero, but Thor was coming off Avengers. They both did fairly well, neither were panned.

 

[chamber-music]

Man Steel wasn't perfect and some people do have good reasons for not liking the films but then there are some people who hate anything not Donner Superman and are very vocal about that the same way years ago people complained Burton's 89 Batman wasn't like the camp 60's version they grew up with. Judge the film on its own merits.

They're making a movie of that? Is it like a kids/CGI animated thing?

It is a spy heist superhero hybrid movie with large action set pieces and a tone similar to the first Iron Man film according to the director.

Test footage from the Marvel Universe Phase DVD glimpse looked pretty cool. On the surface the character sounds pretty goofy if they manage to make something interesting out of it they might actually make a good bit of money at the box office.

 

[GreenKToo]

I understand the why, marvel has only cbs to develope into fim, while wb has everything under the sun to use, but it still sucks watching wb/dc try to play catch up and be so darn cautious.

 

[Fizicks]

To someone who has never been exposed to the Ant-man, the character does sound pretty lame. But trust me when I say it can be really cool if done right.

I haven't been paying much attention to the news regarding this movie though, so I'm not sure which Ant-man they're going with. I always thought Hank Pym was really cool, so I'd want to see him.

And thanks Chamber-music for posting that gif, it looks pretty awesome!

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

A bit of a generalization but it definitely it a considerable dilemma, especially where the GA is concerned. The big blue boy scout really wasn't going to be making TDK level money(especially domestically). However, everyone and their mother can tell you that superman 'needs' to be...that. Or rather what they think superman should be.

The first film was destined to be a sorta sacrificial lamb. That's just the way the trepid but needing of change, audience works these days. A blond short and stout bond needed to gain their trust given the preconceptions. Same deal here, the sequel's reception will be telling. It's box office is all but certain.

I feel like this sequel will be better received, especially if the writing's better.
Think about it.the lowered expectations from critics will work in MOS2's favor, especially if they don't make the same mistakes with the storytelling this time around. The less good people expect things to be, the easier it is to top those expectations, assuming these opinions aren't concrete.

 

[Mjölnir]

The tomatometer is more accurate for what it wants to tell you, but the problem is that people confuse the importance of what it's telling you. It's not a measure of quality so much as accessibility or how widely appealing something is.

A movie with a 90% tomatometer doesn't mean that they thought it was a 9/10 movie, yet that's the takeaway for a lot of people. If 100% of critics think that a movie is around a 6-7, it can still have a 100% tomatometer.

Mission Impossible Ghost Protocool had a tomatometer in the 90's but an average score in the 7's, opposed to say 12 Years a Slave or something that has an average score in the 9's, yet people talk about that Mission Impossible movie like the score was a 9/10.

It's just a shame that a lot of people see MOS as having been 'slammed by critics' while Thor TDW was 'another solid entry in the MCU'.

Yes, it's always important to understand what any given data can tell you and what it can't. I don't think statistical averages like these tell us anything but the wide appeal of something. If you want more in depth look about qualtiy I think you need to read reviews, not just look at the score and even less at an average score of a large number.

 

[BatFan1979]

To someone who has never been exposed to the Ant-man, the character does sound pretty lame. But trust me when I say it can be really cool if done right.

I haven't been paying much attention to the news regarding this movie though, so I'm not sure which Ant-man they're going with. I always thought Hank Pym was really cool, so I'd want to see him.

And thanks Chamber-music for posting that gif, it looks pretty awesome!

(Sorry to continue this Ant-Man deviation to the thread, but I just wanted to comment on this post - then back to BvS)

Yeah, well without being an Ant-Man fan myself, I guess Hank Pym was a wife beater in the comics and pretty much an ***hole overall.

They're actually getting Michael Douglas to play an older Pym and getting Paul Rudd to play Scott Lang, most likely the one to don the suit. I'm stoked for the movie!

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Michael Douglas, Paul Rudd, and Edgar Wright doing a movie together and it's a CBM. BRING IT ON!!

 

[Mjölnir]

No I don't hate Marvel much. I just hate the attitude of some their fans...thinking they're films are so great and invincible. It's a myth. Especially when most of their films are not very good at all IMO.

Plus I want to see the DCCU become established so I can see something different than the same ol same ol Marvel stuff. I was fooled by Thor and IM2, but they didn't fool me on IM3, CA, and Thor 2. The first IM film I really liked, but I thought the Avengers was just way overrated.

Judging from your attitude when you posted in the TDW forum before it doesn't seem like you're trying to be better than what you criticize, which makes that criticism pretty hollow.

 

[Fizicks]

(Sorry to continue this Ant-Man deviation to the thread, but I just wanted to comment on this post - then back to BvS)

Yeah, well without being an Ant-Man fan myself, I guess Hank Pym was a wife beater in the comics and pretty much an ***hole overall.

They're actually getting Michael Douglas to play an older Pym and getting Paul Rudd to play Scott Lang, most likely the one to don the suit. I'm stoked for the movie!

Well yea, he did strike his wife once (which was later kind of blown a little out of proportion). His counterpart in Ultimate Marvel did beat his wife until she needed to be hospitalized though.

He's one of those characters that you like to read about in a comic book, but would probably hate in real life.

 

[Lord]

It happened once when he was going crazy due to some macGuffin, Spider-Man did it too to Mary Jane, and that one was when he was sane.

 

[Mysteryman]

Well yea, he did strike his wife once (which was later kind of blown a little out of proportion). His counterpart in Ultimate Marvel did beat his wife until she needed to be hospitalized though.

He's one of those characters that you like to read about in a comic book, but would probably hate in real life.

The wife beating thing was more serious in the Ultimates version.
The MCU borrows heavily from The Ultimates Universe.
By casting Michael Douglas as Hank Pym,
They are sending the signal that Pym wont be saintly in the film.

 

[BatFan1979]

By casting Michael Dougls as Hank Pym,
They are sending the signal that Pym wont be saintly in the film.

I agree with this. I've heard a rumor that they may even make Pym the antagonist.

 

[chamber-music]

This is a Batman/superman thread so I'll just say this and leave it at that. We can talk about it more in the Ant-Man threads if you want.

(Sorry to continue this Ant-Man deviation to the thread, but I just wanted to comment on this post - then back to BvS)

Yeah, well without being an Ant-Man fan myself, I guess Hank Pym was a wife beater in the comics and pretty much an ***hole overall.

They're actually getting Michael Douglas to play an older Pym and getting Paul Rudd to play Scott Lang, most likely the one to don the suit. I'm stoked for the movie!

Calling Hank a wife beater and I mean the one who has been around in the comics for 50 years not the ultimate version isn't really accurate.

I posted in the Marvel asking a question thread about the whole context into what what lead to that and the out come if you want to check it out but his far from a a**hole.

Pym was exposed to schizophrenic inducing chemicals which lead to him having a mental breakdown. The writer told the artist to draw pym pushing wasp away in a fit of frustration but the artist was taught to always go with the most extreme reaction so drew him back handing her. The storyline in the comics was 30 years ago and the original arc was actually resolved with Pym and Janet making peace with each other and going their separate ways but other the last 30 years writers have kept going back to the incident which sort of hamstrung the character in the long run.

Everyone from Reed Richards, Wolverine and Spider-man have hit women in the comics. The worst was probably Peter Parker hitting a pregnant MJ during the clone saga which is more recent but everyone seems to ignore that happened unlike Pym even though its practically the same situation except Peter wasn't under the influence of anything just in a fit of rage. I think Peter hitting MJ in Spider-Man 3 was a bit of a nod to that incident.

I agree with this. I've heard a rumor that they may even make Pym the antagonist.

Edgar Wright said on his twitter that Pym isn't the villain. Wrights origianl plan was for this to be Pym's swansong in Ant-Man with him passing the Ant-Man mantle onto Lang. Also Edgar says he probably read the Avengers issue with Pm hitting Janet but doesn't remember it. Edgar's favourite Pym appearances was from the commie bashing spy stuff from the 60's Tales to Astonish Ant-Man stories. Pym is going to be based more off of those books than his Avengers stories hence the lack of Ultron stuff.

 

[BatFan1979]

^that's good to know. Makes me even more excited! Thanks!

 

[Mysteryman]

This is a Batman/superman thread so I'll just say this and leave it at that. We can talk about it more in the Ant-Man threads if you want.

Calling Hank a wife beater and I mean the one who has been around in the comics for 50 years not the ultimate version isn't really accurate.

I posted in the Marvel asking a question thread about the whole context into what what lead to that and the out come if you want to check it out but his far from a a**hole.

Pym was exposed to schizophrenic inducing chemicals which lead to him having a mental breakdown. The writer told the artist to draw pym pushing wasp away in a fit of frustration but the artist was taught to always go with the most extreme reaction so drew him back handing her. The storyline in the comics was 30 years ago and the original arc was actually resolved with Pym and Janet making peace with each other and going their separate ways but other the last 30 years writers have kept going back to the incident which sort of hamstrung the character in the long run.

Everyone from Reed Richards, Wolverine and Spider-man have hit women in the comics. The worst was probably Peter Parker hitting a pregnant MJ during the clone saga which is more recent but everyone seems to ignore that happened unlike Pym even though its practically the same situation except Peter wasn't under the influence of anything just in a fit of rage. I think Peter hitting MJ in Spider-Man 3 was a bit of a nod to that incident.

Edgar Wright said on his twitter that Pym isn't the villain. Wrights origianl plan was for this to be Pym's swansong in Ant-Man with him passing the Ant-Man mantle onto Lang. Also Edgar says he probably read the Avengers issue with Pm hitting Janet but doesn't remember it. Edgar's favourite Pym appearances was from the commie bashing spy stuff from the 60's Tales to Astonish Ant-Man stories. Pym is going to be based more off of those books than his Avengers stories hence the lack of Ultron stuff.

Your right,Its a Batman/Superman thread,
So, this is my last comment on Ant Man.
The director is not going to give major secrets away .
Before Batman Begins was released,
It came out that Liam Neeson was actually playing Ras Al Ghul.
They denied it .
Even with photos showing her dressed as Talia Al Ghul in TDKR,
Marrion Cottilard denied it until she was practically blue in the face .