BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS]

[Tim_Riggins]

Looks like this movie suffers because they edited out chunks of movie to get a run-time of 2.5 hours, I will see it myself to see if my theory is right.

Extended edition coming out may alleviate that problem, me thinks.

The first act does, you can tell they cut quite a bit there, but I felt that once we get to the second act and especially that courtroom scene, it all clicked for me and it became really focused.

Right now, I'm at an 8/10, and I have zero doubt the extended cut will take it to a 9 or 9.5/10.

 

[Micromind]

It's WAAAAY worse than Daredevil because the Kingpin at least a good villain.

What if... they had cast Vince Vaughn as Lex Luthor ?

 

[bapi]

Says the Marvel fan-boy!

With the Joker as his avi. LOL. t:

 

[sf2]

the opening scene is vital important!!!

that's the reason batman fighting superman!!!

can't believe people complaint it is useless.

 

[Micromind]

The first act does, you can tell they cut quite a bit there, but I felt that once we get to the second act and especially that courtroom scene, it all clicked for me and it became really focused.

Right now, I'm at an 8/10, and I have zero doubt the extended cut will take it to a 9 or 9.5/10.

Makes perfect sense why they want to release that Extended cut.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

http://comicandscreen.blogspot.fr/2016/03/interpreting-batman-v-superman-reviews.html?m=1

I feel this is a good article on the RT situation. Most of the reviews are actually mixed, and not outright negative, the average rating is more telling than the score itself (kinda like those super high RT percentages for films with a low average rating)

 

[DA_Champion]

the opening scene is vital important!!!

that's the reason batman fighting superman!!!

can't believe people complaint it is useless.

All it did was remind me of the extent to which Nolan did a better job.

Spoiler

It was poorly directed. The way the gun was fired wrapped in the necklace was cringey.

 

[OzzMosiz]

With the Joker as his avi. LOL. t:

deflection

 

[spidey-dude]

saw it last night - it was enjoyable but it wasnt that good

it felt like a pre-match highlight package and the main event but not enough meat in the build up

I wrote a full (and much more articulate) review (spoiler free) here:
http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/movies/batman-vs-superman-review/139975

 

[DA_Champion]

It'd be better to have this convo on the spoiler thread but concerning like 90 % of your cons, I feel like all those things are in the film and you just didn't see them or pay attention, I'm not being an ass, but all those points baffle me, especially about character motivations.

The explanations need to be good.

 

[spidey-dude]

Looks like this movie suffers because they edited out chunks of movie to get a run-time of 2.5 hours, I will see it myself to see if my theory is right.

Extended edition coming out may alleviate that problem, me thinks.

certainly it was a problem but they chose the wrong stuff to cut which is the bigger problem -

the dream sequences added nothing

wonder woman's inclusion added nothing (in fact it diluted the experience of batman vs superman for me)

the JL cameos added nothing (and only made me worried for the flash)

and while the final battle was compelling that should have been cut down a bit rather than the setup, without a meaty setup the pay off is nothing more than a visual spectacle



it's not a bad movie, theres so much good in there, it just should have been a lot better

 

[JOE]

It's WAAAAY worse than Daredevil because the Kingpin at least a good villain.

I agree. Also DD was definitely more compact and from financial perspective it was a decent success - 175M against 75M production budget when TV and home video markets were extremely strong.

BvS - 5/10
DD - 7/10

I don't understand how you can compare a 2.5 hour movie to a 13 hour season of a show?

 

[Eggyman]

I don't understand how you can compare a 2.5 hour movie to a 13 hour season of a show?

They're on about the Daredevil film mate.

 

[DA_Champion]

Two additional problems I neglected to include:

Spoiler

- How is it that Superman did nothing to secure the remaining Kryptonian artifacts?
- Anderson Cooper and Neil de Grasse Tyson were annoying;

 

[Batmannerism]

Okay, I've just come back from B v S - it screens here in New Zealand a full day and a bit ahead of the rest of the world.

Have to say, it was an 8/10. In some ways Man of Steel was a better film, because it didn't have to split attention between different characters.

Here's a brief review.

Spoiler

All it was an 8/10, because I simply love these characters. If I wasn't a fan, it would be a 7 or a 6. Overall, it's a good movie, but not a great one.

It's like Snyder almost got it right, but didn't quite - but at least we can say that he made the film for fans (like me).

There are a lot of great lifts from the Dark Knight Returns, so that was cool.

The battle between Bats and Supes is pretty good, although I still thought it was too one-sided.

The battle with Doomsday was a bit messy, yes WW was great but Doomsday was more of a plot device than anything - the battles in Man of Steel were actually much better (particularly the Smallville fight).
I mean within about 5 minutes of Doomsday showing up they're throwing nukes at him ( hey, great recreation of Superman post-nuke from Dark kNight Returns).

Really I feel sorry for Superman in this film because he doesn't get a lot of lines, but Cavill does well with what he's given.

Also, in one night he gets his mother and girlfriend kidnapped, gets gassed with kryptonite (twice) and smacked around by Batman pretty badly, then he gets nuked (literally), nearly drowns getting the krypto-spear and finally gets impaled by Doomsday....it's the worst night of his life, literally !

Okay, otherwise the first hour is a bit slow, but I found the buildup enjoyable. The fights, a little underwhelming, I can't believe I'm saying this about a Snyder film, but they needed to be longer and harder.

Here's a rundown of performances.

Affleck = great, well past the spectre of Daredevil, he's a great grumpy Dark Knight.

Irons = brilliant, but we expected that.

Adams= great, still the best LL by a long way.

Cavill = doesn't get enough lines, does well with what he gets. I thought he was very good as Clark Kent- reporter. Really, the senate hearing could have been an amazing opportunity for Superman to find his voice - a huge missed opportunity. Cavill is definitely the right guy to be Superman, but needs better service from the writers.

Gadot = good, doesn't get much to do except look gorgeous and kick ass, but she's good at that !

Eisenberg = A really different take on Lex, as deeply unhinged. Maybe a bit joker-ish, but I thought it worked. His facial expressions as Lex were great, you could see that behind his eyes was a seething tortured soul.

I didn't think he'd go that way, but he did it well. A gamble that paid off IMO.

All the bit players were pretty good too, especially Diane Lane.

In the first hour Snyder really grounds Superman and Batman in our world, and I think did a very good job. But the final whirlwind of action doesn't quite live up to expectations, I honestly think he was too restrained.

So, a worthy effort, and I'll go for a second helping - but not as good as Man of Steel, because it's trying to do too much.

Final verdict, the fans will enjoy it, but I think the GA will struggle - although I heard some kids coming out talking about how DC films have better endings because the heroes often lose. Which is a fair point.

That's my review, not a lot of detail there, but probably enough to go on. I'm happy to answer any specific questions about the film, and I'll also post this in the spoiler thread.

Cheers.

 

[tek]

Here are some of my immediate ramblings:

My issues for the film just after a first watch are as follows: this film has shades of TASM 2 with the convolution. the soundtrack bugged me alot especially with the omnious oversell tones for Batman and the strange guitar (?) accompanying Wonder woman in her action scenes. the fact that superman did not persist in reasoning with Batman early on was a little hard to swallow. The last act with the 3 combining was almost lampoonish. I preferred Man of Steel mainly due to the steadying hands of Crowe and Shannon . It was a shame that Crowe could not have reappeared with Kal in his times of crisis,he was sorely missed as was Shannon's dynamism. I just did not connect enough with Superman as much despite what he had to go through. Also the fight scenes seemed to be so choreographed at times. Despite these complaints it was an fun enough watch, with probably Lex Luthor (jesse eisenberg) being the most interesting aspect of the actors appearing with the actual superheroes not being overly memorable. Bottom line I would not waste the expense on a second cinema watch. 6/10

 

[Jaxon]

http://comicandscreen.blogspot.fr/2016/03/interpreting-batman-v-superman-reviews.html?m=1

I feel this is a good article on the RT situation. Most of the reviews are actually mixed, and not outright negative, the average rating is more telling than the score itself (kinda like those super high RT percentages for films with a low average rating)

that article sums up my view. Critics have gone in with a preconceived view and done analysis overkill or just didn't understand this world. I think the marketing direction was more the problem that didn't deliver the right messages.

 

[spidey-dude]

that article sums up my view. Critics have gone in with a preconceived view and done analysis overkill or just didn't understand this world. I think the marketing direction was more the problem that didn't deliver the right messages.

I don't think that's the case at all personally - I think people were just dissapointed the film didnt live up to its potential, it's not a conspiracy, people aren't trying to make a good film look bad, it just wasn't that great - if you like it good for you, opinions will always differ

As someone who stayed away from as much marketing as possible I can tell you that it isn't what harmed the film

also the linked article is laughable saying that "it is a fact that there is depth and philosophical threads throughout Batman v Superman" it isn't a fact at all, in fact my biggest issue is the film thinks it's deep but never actually goes deep, it presents a great idea and never explores it properly, it has an illusion of depth, one it thinks it is showing but it never gets out of the shallow end

 

[BH/HHH]

Here are some of my immediate ramblings:

My issues for the film just after a first watch are as follows: this film has shades of TASM 2 with the convolution. the soundtrack bugged me alot especially with the omnious oversell tones for Batman and the strange guitar (?) accompanying Wonder woman in her action scenes. the fact that superman did not persist in reasoning with Batman early on was a little hard to swallow. The last act with the 3 combining was almost lampoonish. I preferred Man of Steel mainly due to the steadying hands of Crowe and Shannon . It was a shame that Crowe could not have reappeared with Kal in his times of crisis,he was sorely missed as was Shannon's dynamism. I just did not connect enough with Superman as much despite what he had to go through. Also the fight scenes seemed to be so choreographed at times. Despite these complaints it was an fun enough watch, with probably Lex Luthor (jesse eisenberg) being the most interesting aspect of the actors appearing with the actual superheroes not being overly memorable. Bottom line I would not waste the expense on a second cinema watch. 6/10

So do you feel they tried to set to much up for the next one? That was one of my biggest problems with TASM2 and Green Lantern for that matter. To much investment in what will happen in the next one.

 

[DeadPresident]

Or maybe, you know...It's both?

Not everything is diametrically opposed.

 

[KingKane88]

Does anyone here who (obviously) seen the film feel the main issue was with the editing? Meaning, do you guys feel the extra 30min that was taken out, and that will be in the extended cut will greatly help it be a much better movie?

I'm just trina put a finger on where the main cause lays.

 

[DA_Champion]

Does anyone here who (obviously) seen the film feel the main issue was with the editing? Meaning, do you guys feel the extra 30min that was taken out, and that will be in the extended cut will greatly help it be a much better movie?

I'm just trina put a finger on where the main cause lays.

The editing is bad, not just the missing 30 minutes but it seems like the scenes are not shown in order.

 

[tek]

In response to the TASM2 convolution, yes to some degree. I could see the general audience in some scenes going what the? The film did not seem to flow. choppy. I am no great critic but you know that feeling when you come out of a film knowing that this wont be remembered overly fondly in a couple of years. I get that some loved it but the correlation seems to be diehards who want to love it .

 

[jmc]

I think part of the problem is there's too much pandering to the DC fan base, like specifically to us, and that's going to be a problem.

 

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Tbh Doomsday is a metaphor for plot device so not surprising.