The Dark Knight Batman Vision put on screen

I thought i'd make my first thread. I hope its a good topic. I want to discuss the nolan-antinolan arguement more and even take a vote.

Vote Obama....er....Nolan if you embrace his vision more than 80%,
Vote for Nolan-BTAS-comics if you want Nolan's genious in BTAS/comics form. Meaning kinda comic book accurate.
Vote comic book accurate, if you want a movie with a direct comics feel (spiderman)
Vote for fun if you want some more fun and some more lightheartedness in certain occasions like BF did (dont mix it with B&R)
Vote for fantasy if you want a more fantastical batman, like B89 or BR, or Batman vs Predator, or Batman in space.
Vote other if you want something else.

Of course, the answer could be a combination of the above.

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I will go straight and say that i vote for Nolan-BTAS. I embrace what Nolan does to about 90%. I never fully embraced Burton, not even as a kid. I did however embrace BF more. I overlooked its flaws and took time to appreciate its modern-ess and contemporary feel. Its better fighting scenes and better batman/bruce wayne. Thats just me of course and i was a kid then.

So BB was the batman i always wanted to have. Thats how i pictured Forever if i could somehow alter it with my then young hands. For me, batman begins is a lot like BTAS. Even the begins suit looked a lot like the animated batman (big chest and stuff). Its just a bit more grounded in reality. It helps me bond with it more. Perhaps all Nolan's vision needs is that masterpiece BTAS gotham and some more unrealistic elements.

I dont want batman evading a ton of bullets like bond though. I always lift an eyebrow at that. Maybe him being more mobile, doing some flips, jumping a bit higher and doing some things without the tedious explanation. Something in between, but no cloth underpants suit and crazy comics stuff like batman vs villains like predator, or.....dunno....remember Ink in Batman Beyond? .....in film she would be meh....
I would even love to see Clark Kent in it and some good plot that would go through their friendship and their coming to understand one another. Of course nolan wouldnt allow a flying boyscout in his world. I guess all i am suggesting is that Nolan lets more water slip under the drain, or whatever that phase goes.

And as for Nolan's genious, well i mean his flashback technique, his general storytelling abilities, the wonderful character development and his casting choices. Even his maelstrom of a batmobile and YES, his Joker. I dont want to start a discussion on this cause there is already a thread about it, but i just never loved the joker. I liked him, but didnt love him. I do now, not because Nolan did it, but because its great IMHO. The viral marketing (and i mean, what it tells us about the joker, his games, puzzles and brilliant sense of humour that goes beyond electrifying someone with a gadget in his palm), the brilliant bank robbery, the attitude, the voice. Hamil was brilliant. He should get a freaking oscar, but this dude will f*** you up.

So, whaddaya think? Please elaborate if you can.


BTW: Thanks for everyone's contribution!

 

Lets not forget that BTAS although serious was a saturday morning cartoon while we are talking about a movie that targets a wider audiece, not just fans and kids. So maybe some things should be changed. Like doc oc's green suit for example in spiderman. Other than that, yes Falcone didnt seem that intelligent, but god Flass was awesome! Teh funny fallafel man!

That said, Nolan claimed that there is a lot more detective and mind work in TDK. While going through the origins and batman returning and settling in gotham they hardly had time to show much of it. They promised to do it now.
Finally, BTAS, having countless episodes to work on batman worked more on batman's psych, origins and relationships. Like learning to be an escape artist by Zatanna's father (god i loved that episode and zatanna's love for him). Imagine BB having to show us all the crazy training that bruce went through and portray all the great characters he met that affected him.


EDIT: well i got all pumped up on that episode of BTAS, so i will comment a bit more about it. I will just say that i loved how Zatanna eventually saw who bruce came to be. Like Lana in Superman's mythos always knew that there was something extraordinary with clark. When superman came out, she instantly knew who he was. What clarks destiny was. I just love that. *Going back to watch BTAS, cause Nolan aint gonna give me Zatanna coming to gotham, triggering flashbacks of Bruce's training that we didnt see in BB*.

 

I know what you mean, and man do i concur on spidey and his humour. All they gave us on that front was his dancing as peter parker. Facepalm!

Now back on topic. I know you didnt want flass out. I read Year One a few months ago and i loved it. But just Gordon's story (family, affair, psych, Flass) would take a whole film by itself. Thats why they made Gordon a gothamite and stuff. As for flass, well, he isnt the flass of year one. They toned him down and just used him as the opposite of Gordon. Perhaps Nolan isnt using the name Montoya on that latin police officer in TDK, just to avoid direct comparison like this one.

Yeah, Zatanna for the win! Bruce is a nutcase for not tapping that!

 

I had the exact sentiment. And then i watched JL animated and saw how being part of the group doesnt nullify either character, but rather makes them stand out from the each other and better explores their character doing comparisons or putting them in different setting/situations that those we are used to seeing them. Soon you get used to seeing Batman out of Gotham and like the awe his presence provokes to the JL.

Example: There was an episode where the Flass is going to have his own museum in central city but because the others are missing, he has no choice but to call batman, although he knows his grumpy, solitary nature. Batman accepts and Orion is left clueless as to why batman "even talks to this clown".
Or the episode about Superman's death. How he handled it was a great insight.
I mean....the goddamn batman bonded with actual people! Thats a spectacle on its own! Go and get it along with BTAS. Seriously!

 

I didnt get those two. and i hope you mean BF without the neon.

 

One more thing. Since we are talking about the vision, we could discuss the possible future of bruce wayne we would like to see in a sequel of the film we envision.

I mean, do you want Batman Beyond?
The Dark Knight Returns?
Grayson taking over the mantle of the bat?
Bruce dying, becoming a national hero?

Btw, whats the cannon on this in DC comics? What happens in the future?


I would go with Batman Beyond in the distant future. Gives a great gotham, a totally different version of batman, in capabilities (ironman type suit), looks, and character. We get more character development on Bruce but not that bitterness and total d1ckery and bone-breakage that DKR was filled with (Timm handled grumpy old bruce better imho).
In the meantime, maybe Dick Grayson taking the mantle or maybe batman disappearing into urban legend status after the heart attack. I depend a lot on DC's cannon take on this (time between Batman and batman beyond). Bruce dying is out of the question as Timm realized when producing Beyond. He will always be the backbone.

 

Just posting to remind you to discuss (if you want) about the future you want batman to have in your vision.


Also, elaborating more on my view, i think that even though batman's world is a fantastical one, he is more grounded to reality than that of a Green Lantern. Nolan didnt change too many things in BB. He didnt show us the pits (maybe they existed....i am sure not in nolan's mind but at least he left it open for interpretation) and from the vision he set up we can rule out clayface or darkseid. Maybe even harley quinn and ivy.

Sure its a big change, but it helps us bond with the characters more, simply because in a live movie its flesh and blood. Its easier when the setting is something you can relate to. That said, he should leave some more freedom. Maybe his gotham is the setting we can relate to, as well as his realistic characters and the way he explores each one. But then there could be more stuff:

His rhas was exceptional but he should be ready to handle clayface or ivy if he was asked to. There is still room for that. I mean, The Batman's gotham is like a real city and look what is going on there! Just because gotham is normal (well....ninjas, scarecrows, toxins....) now, doesnt mean that darkseid cant come and ravage it tomorrow! So nolan could adapt those villains and elements and even change them artistically if he wanted, to give something new, but not ground them on reality. Give them a more realistic feel, ok, but finding a boring real life explanation for moving plants would be bad.

Damn, zatanna and ivy (btas, not schumacher style) would be really good!