I thought i'd make my first thread. I hope its a good topic. I want to discuss the nolan-antinolan arguement more and even take a vote. Vote Obama....er....Nolan if you embrace his vision more than 80%, Vote for Nolan-BTAS-comics if you want Nolan's genious in BTAS/comics form. Meaning kinda comic book accurate. Vote comic book accurate, if you want a movie with a direct comics feel (spiderman) Vote for fun if you want some more fun and some more lightheartedness in certain occasions like BF did (dont mix it with B&R) Vote for fantasy if you want a more fantastical batman, like B89 or BR, or Batman vs Predator, or Batman in space. Vote other if you want something else. Of course, the answer could be a combination of the above. ______________________________________________________________ I will go straight and say that i vote for Nolan-BTAS. I embrace what Nolan does to about 90%. I never fully embraced Burton, not even as a kid. I did however embrace BF more. I overlooked its flaws and took time to appreciate its modern-ess and contemporary feel. Its better fighting scenes and better batman/bruce wayne. Thats just me of course and i was a kid then. So BB was the batman i always wanted to have. Thats how i pictured Forever if i could somehow alter it with my then young hands. For me, batman begins is a lot like BTAS. Even the begins suit looked a lot like the animated batman (big chest and stuff). Its just a bit more grounded in reality. It helps me bond with it more. Perhaps all Nolan's vision needs is that masterpiece BTAS gotham and some more unrealistic elements. I dont want batman evading a ton of bullets like bond though. I always lift an eyebrow at that. Maybe him being more mobile, doing some flips, jumping a bit higher and doing some things without the tedious explanation. Something in between, but no cloth underpants suit and crazy comics stuff like batman vs villains like predator, or.....dunno....remember Ink in Batman Beyond? .....in film she would be meh.... I would even love to see Clark Kent in it and some good plot that would go through their friendship and their coming to understand one another. Of course nolan wouldnt allow a flying boyscout in his world. I guess all i am suggesting is that Nolan lets more water slip under the drain, or whatever that phase goes. And as for Nolan's genious, well i mean his flashback technique, his general storytelling abilities, the wonderful character development and his casting choices. Even his maelstrom of a batmobile and YES, his Joker. I dont want to start a discussion on this cause there is already a thread about it, but i just never loved the joker. I liked him, but didnt love him. I do now, not because Nolan did it, but because its great IMHO. The viral marketing (and i mean, what it tells us about the joker, his games, puzzles and brilliant sense of humour that goes beyond electrifying someone with a gadget in his palm), the brilliant bank robbery, the attitude, the voice. Hamil was brilliant. He should get a freaking oscar, but this dude will f*** you up. So, whaddaya think? Please elaborate if you can. BTW: Thanks for everyone's contribution!