Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[KBX]

Supermans weakness is Kryptonite. Batmans weakness is hes human.

If its a fair fight, both locked in an empty room, Superman wins.

If its a fight, were both opponents can do what they must to win, Batman has a chance.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Batman has NO chance. Batman's weakness isn't that he's human.


It's everything.


You stab Batman with a Kryptonite Dagger in the heart, he's gonna die.


I doubt Batman could defeat the Thing. Much less Superman.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Supermans weakness is Kryptonite.

Amongst other weaknesses.

Batmans weakness is hes human.

I say its a strength

If its a fair fight, both locked in an empty room, Superman wins.

It would never be a "fair fight".Which is why Bats will do what he has too to win.

If its a fight, were both opponents can do what they must to win, Batman has a chance.

More then a chance since Superman would never take it to that level as long as he's in control of himself.

Batman has NO chance.

Then explain how Bats has beated Superman before????

Batman's weakness isn't that he's human.


It's everything.

See above.

You stab Batman with a Kryptonite Dagger in the heart, he's gonna die.

And the same would most likely happen to Superman....so whats your point????

I doubt Batman could defeat the Thing. Much less Superman.

Batman defeated the Hulk.

 

[Franklin Richards]

The way I explain it is that lots of people have hard-ons for Batman and they write ridiculous ways for him to win.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The way I explain it is that lots of people have hard-ons for Batman and they write ridiculous ways for him to win.

What you may call "ridiculous" others may call "logical".

The issue here isint "whos more powerful".As I said 1000 times on power alone the fight should go to Superman.

If this had been a topic on Superman/Boy Prime vrs Batman I would say that Batman would most likely lose....if not for Super-Primes arrogance causing him to make a mistake or 2.

But Superman under his own control, as he has been written wouldnt go the lengths needed to stop Batman.

Superman would never fly up into orbit and fry the cave while Bruce is in it.

Superman would never capture Dick or time or Barbra or who ever and threatened to hurt them.

Superman would never work out a secret plan to sneak into the cave and "attack" Batman in his sleep if it were needed.

Superman would never stock pile tons of a matrial that can kill his friend.

Superman would never conspire to use the JLA or any hirred guns to attack Batman.

On the other hand, Batman would do all those things and more.

 

[The Question]

Neither would Bruce. Bruce isn't a killer. While his sense of morality is pretty strange and follows his own logic, it's pretty clear and defined. He would never kidnap and threaten someone's innocent loved ones to defeat them. And he would certainly never kill someone in their sleep.

 

[scatterax]

I'm surprised. I had no idea their where as many people that thought "batman can beet anybody" as thier are people that think superman can beet anybody.

heres another good fight, do you think batman could defeat goku? if you answered yes I have some serious doubts about ur logic.

look, superman is bullet proof. if bullets fly off him w/ohurting him do you really think batmans baterangs and punches would even phase him? since that ability alone gives superman the edge, I'm not even gonna get into his other powers ryt now.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Only way Bats wins is if he depowers Supes in some way. Not a real Bats VS Supes fight at all then. Just two guys fighting. If Supes wins it's no big deal either. It's Superman VS some random regular dude with some harmless weapons. He'd have his ass. So in an actual Superman VS Batman fight, bats with his usual and supes with his usual, Superman totally owns.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Neither would Bruce. Bruce isn't a killer. While his sense of morality is pretty strange and follows his own logic, it's pretty clear and defined. He would never kidnap and threaten someone's innocent loved ones to defeat them.

Batman would kidnap and threaten someone's innocent loved ones, as a matter of fact he had Catwoman do just that in the "HUSH" story arc.

Granted he told Catwoman to take anyone from the Dalliy Planet because he figured that if anyone from there were taken hostage and put in danger it would snap him out of Poison Ive's control.

It was dumb luck that Catwoman chose Lois.

But the point is Batman would use the idea that the safety of your friends and family are in danger to defeat Superman.

Batman also threatened to destroy the entire planet of Apokolips, which would have lead to millions of innocent deaths....if those that worship Darkseid can be called "innocent".

And he would certainly never kill someone in their sleep.

As for the "killing in their sleep" I ment to say attack.[I fixed it now]

If I'm remember right Batman's plan for stopping Green Lantern [Kyle] was to attack him in his sleep.

And I do believe that if Batman felt he had no choice he would releas some Krptonite into Clarks bed room while he slept.

heres another good fight, do you think batman could defeat goku? if you answered yes I have some serious doubts about ur logic.

I think that Batman might be a better fighter then Goku and I say he might have a chance with all his tricks but no he would not win.

Goku is willing to go all out and destroy a planet if he had too to win a fight....Superman would not.

Goku is willing to use the life energy of every one on a planet to aid him in defeating his enemy....Superman is not.

look, superman is bullet proof. if bullets fly off him w/ohurting him do you really think batmans baterangs and punches would even phase him? since that ability alone gives superman the edge, I'm not even gonna get into his other powers ryt now.

Batman wouldnt use those in a all or nothing fight with Superman.

He would defeat Superman by tricks and exploiting his weaknesses.

Only way Bats wins is if he depowers Supes in some way. Not a real Bats VS Supes fight at all then.

How do you figure????

The key to winning any battle with a superior enemy is to even the odds.

If Batman "depowers" Superman its because it was part of his plan.

Batman would be useing one of his greatest strengths.......his mind.

And thats what this fight would come down too.

So in an actual Superman VS Batman fight, bats with his usual and supes with his usual, Superman totally owns.

It would be Batmans "usual" to find a way to even the odds,to depower Superman,to weaken Superman and or to stop him permanently if needed.

That is Batmans "usual" method.

 

[scatterax]

Batman would kidnap and threaten someone's innocent loved ones, as a matter of fact he had Catwoman do just that in the "HUSH" story arc.

Granted he told Catwoman to take anyone from the Dalliy Planet because he figured that if anyone from there were taken hostage and put in danger it would snap him out of Poison Ive's control.

It was dumb luck that Catwoman chose Lois.

But the point is Batman would use the idea that the safety of your friends and family are in danger to defeat Superman.

Batman also threatened to destroy the entire planet of Apokolips, which would have lead to millions of innocent deaths....if those that worship Darkseid can be called "innocent".


As for the "killing in their sleep" I ment to say attack.[I fixed it now]

If I'm remember right Batman's plan for stopping Green Lantern [Kyle] was to attack him in his sleep.

And I do believe that if Batman felt he had no choice he would releas some Krptonite into Clarks bed room while he slept.



I think that Batman might be a better fighter then Goku and I say he might have a chance with all his tricks but no he would not win.

Goku is willing to go all out and destroy a planet if he had too to win a fight....Superman would not.

Goku is willing to use the life energy of every one on a planet to aid him in defeating his enemy....Superman is not.



Batman wouldnt use those in a all or nothing fight with Superman.

He would defeat Superman by tricks and exploiting his weaknesses.



How do you figure????

The key to winning any battle with a superior enemy is to even the odds.

If Batman "depowers" Superman its because it was part of his plan.

Batman would be useing one of his greatest strengths.......his mind.

And thats what this fight would come down too.




It would be Batmans "usual" to find a way to even the odds,to depower Superman,to weaken Superman and or to stop him permanently if needed.

That is Batmans "usual" method.

ok, that's exactly what I'm talking about. your being 1 sided. ur giving batman time to plan and not giving super man time to plan. in a fair fight superman whould win. you bassically just proved that the only way batman has a chance is if he cheats. the have to be on a level feild here. you can't make 'em fight in a kryptonight mountain. I mean if you depower supes than why not take away all batmans gadgets and make him have amnisia so he can't remember anything from his training, or who superman is. Do you see what I'm talking about now??

batmans skill+gadgets<supermans superpowers.

(some people)

 

[stargazer]

The way I explain it is that lots of people have hard-ons for Batman and they write ridiculous ways for him to win.

Absolutely.

I mean, Batman is cool with this gadgets and his intelligence, but Superman is a god who shoots fire from his eyes, flies at superspeed, has supersenses, superstrength, supervision, yeah.

 

[Kevin Smith]

How do you figure????

The key to winning any battle with a superior enemy is to even the odds.

If Batman "depowers" Superman its because it was part of his plan.

Batman would be useing one of his greatest strengths.......his mind.

And thats what this fight would come down too.

I never understood what the fascination was with this fight. It's either Superman some regular guy who he'd beat years ago, so where's the glory in that - or Superman VS _______ with kryptonite. It doesn't make it any different that it's Batman, Superman has fought tons of humans with k or some other means of depowering him. It's just the same old either way you look at it, just in a different costume.

It would be Batmans "usual" to find a way to even the odds,to depower Superman,to weaken Superman and or to stop him permanently if needed.

That is Batmans "usual" method.

I'm talking about in a REAL fight. Not something with a week's notice. Just Batman on a regular night fighting crime, no k, no red sun radiation, etc, and Superman on a regular day fighting crime, no K suit, etc. Superman would totally win. Only way Batman wins is if he has some major preperation, I doubt he'd have that when Supes bolts at him at mach 10....or when he drops a building on him....or when he melts him...or when he freezes him...or when he drags his ass into space....or when he drops him from a cloud....or when he tears him into a billion pieces....there's just too many ways Supes could kill Batman, he'd kill him easier than he would Lex Luthor. Batman the ***damn doesn't stand a chance unless he's had a lot of heads up, and even then his chances are slim.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

ok, that's exactly what I'm talking about. your being 1 sided. ur giving batman time to plan and not giving super man time to plan.

I'm not the one giving Batman the time to plan out his actions, thats how the character has been written for the last 20 years.If you have a problem with that take it up with DC's writting staff.

He's a control freak that has a plan in the waiting for just about any situation.

in a fair fight superman whould win. you bassically just proved that the only way batman has a chance is if he cheats. the have to be on a level feild here. you can't make 'em fight in a kryptonight mountain.

And if his plans involve cheating then so be it.There's no way these 2 can have a fair fight on a level feild.

Batman would have to use ever trick and scheme in the book but he'll win.

How do you expect a "Fair fight"?Its just not possible.

I mean if you depower supes than why not take away all batmans gadgets and make him have amnisia so he can't remember anything from his training, or who superman is. Do you see what I'm talking about now??

batmans skill+gadgets<supermans superpowers.

No I dont see what your talking about and I'm not being one sided.

Your talking about these 2 as if they were numbers on a sheet of paper and if that were the case then of course the greater number will always come out on top.

But were talking about 2 characters here not numbers.

Take away Supermans powers and he's still the same character....take away Batmans training and memories and he's a different man.

Do you see what AI'm talking about????

Fact is that its very much in character for Batman to have a plan to rob Superman of his powers if need.

You seem to have no problem with Superman useing all of his skills [super-powers] but you want to limit Batman from useing all of his skills.

Why is that?????

Why is it ok for Superman to use all his skills and Batman cant in your eyes?????

Batmans planning, schemeing and ultimate strategy working is part of his shills.

(some people)

Your telling me

I never understood what the fascination was with this fight. It's either Superman some regular guy who he'd beat years ago, so where's the glory in that - or Superman VS _______ with kryptonite. It doesn't make it any different that it's Batman, Superman has fought tons of humans with k or some other means of depowering him. It's just the same old either way you look at it, just in a different costume.

I'm not sure what point yout trying to make here.

I'm talking about in a REAL fight. Not something with a week's notice. Just Batman on a regular night fighting crime, no k, no red sun radiation, etc, and Superman on a regular day fighting crime, no K suit, etc. Superman would totally win. Only way Batman wins is if he has some major preperation,

How does having preperation for the fight make it any less Real????

I doubt he'd have that when Supes bolts at him at mach 10....or when he drops a building on him....or when he melts him...or when he freezes him...or when he drags his ass into space....or when he drops him from a cloud....or when he tears him into a billion pieces....there's just too many ways Supes could kill Batman, he'd kill him easier than he would Lex Luthor.

Which would all be out of character for Superman

 

[Savage]

I'm a bigger fan of Batman than I am of Superman but in a fair fight Supes just takes the cake. Superman may not want to hurt anybody but when has he ever a killed a villain? The man knows how to control himself. He can beat Batman without killing him, having superspeed and all that.

Batman wins by being unfair. He'd have to use Lex Luthor-like tactics to trick Superman into being within range of kryptonite. Yes this works but you can't really call it a fair fight. It's like Superman tricking Batman into a false sense of security so he can headbutt him unconscious.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'm a bigger fan of Batman than I am of Superman but in a fair fight Supes just takes the cake. Superman may not want to hurt anybody but when has he ever a killed a villain? The man knows how to control himself. He can beat Batman without killing him, having superspeed and all that.

Batman wins by being unfair. He'd have to use Lex Luthor-like tactics to trick Superman into being within range of kryptonite. Yes this works but you can't really call it a fair fight. It's like Superman tricking Batman into a false sense of security so he can headbutt him unconscious.

Again there's no was it can ever be called "a fair fight" with or with out Kryptonite BTW its not Supes only weakness].A fair fight implied that both are inherently on the same level and we know thats not ever going to be possible.

Thats why a fight between these 2 has to be based on the characterization that the stories have been based on.

Batman planing tricking someone to win a fight is no different then Superman flying of useing heat vision to win a fight.

Those are their skills.You cant expect Batman to enter a fight and not use every skill at his disposal.

So yeah Batman would win because he used tactics that would be considered "fighting dirty" to many of us but a wins a win.

There's an old Klingon saying "There is no greater honor in battle then victory".

 

[RootBeerMaster]

How would Superman trick the most parnaoid guy on the planet in to a flase sense of Secerity.

I Hate it that every one thinks superman is some kind of GOD - HE ISN't and I hate the fact that people say the only way to beat Superman is Kryptonight because it isn't and in my last post I list like 3 other ways of beating Superman.

Also Superman has a false sense of secrity because he thinks he is always invinacable and can muscle his way out of any situation witch just isn't the cause, even with his Amazing but far from god like powers.

And like the others mentioned it wouldn't be a fair fight Batman Cheats, if he didn't do you honestly think Batman would stand a chance agaisn't his own villians Like Bane, Posin Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Scarcrow they would have beaten Batman a long time ago if the Bat fought fair.

Batman has to have the right suit or the right weapon or know how to get into there heads, to stop these villians so why not give him the right suit and the right weapons while he is fighting Superman and I already listed the right weapons before.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

How would Superman trick the most parnaoid guy on the planet in to a flase sense of Secerity.

I Hate it that every one thinks superman is some kind of GOD - HE ISN't and I hate the fact that people say the only way to beat Superman is Kryptonight because it isn't and in my last post I list like 3 other ways of beating Superman.

Also Superman has a false sense of secrity because he thinks he is always invinacable and can muscle his way out of any situation witch just isn't the cause, even with his Amazing but far from god like powers.

And like the others mentioned it wouldn't be a fair fight Batman Cheats, if he didn't do you honestly think Batman would stand a chance agaisn't his own villians Like Bane, Posin Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Scarcrow they would have beaten Batman a long time ago if the Bat fought fair.

Batman has to have the right suit or the right weapon or know how to get into there heads, to stop these villians so why not give him the right suit and the right weapons while he is fighting Superman and I already listed the right weapons before.

I just dont see how anybody can be so ignorant and use the term "in a fair fight" when talking about a fight between these 2 characters.

It will never be fair.Thats why Bat's always plans to even the odds.

 

[scatterax]

A fair fight is when batman has his usual gadgets (that don't include kryptonite if you wondering) and superman has all his powers.

and no superman is not a god. but neither is batman. and out of the 2 supes is alot closer to being 1. all the batmans supporters arguements are xtra flawed, because it takes more than just good stratigy to win a fight. altho that is important. but you also have to have the strength and ability to fight. batman can't just think superman away no matter how much you want him too.

also saying batman could beet superman cause he's a genious is like if you put batman and joker in a cage fight, took away all there gadgets and tricks (like jokers joy buzzer) and than saying the joker could win every time cause hes clever. (do you see how rediculous that sounds)

and ask for the "prep time" arguement. give supes enough info and prep time, and he'd be smart enough to bring a led suit and other defences. and he'd be on his guard so batty deffinatly wouldn't have a chance.

and if you don't like how superman is far superier to batman physically than YOU can take it up w/ the writers.

in a strait up fight where they just meat each other in the streets, the most I see batman doing is causing something really big to fall on superman. which wouldn't really faze him.

come up w/ a way for batman to beat a powered up superman, and I might listen.

oh, and if ur convinced that batman wouldn't be stupid enough to fight a powered up superman, than you already know batty would lose. but know this, superman isn't stupid enough to walk up to sum1 w/ kryptonite either. but since a fair fight doesn't allow him to use kriptonite anyway, batmans even more skrewed. (and trust me kryptonite isn't in his standered arsonal, because hes smart enough not to bother carying a weapon that only works on 1 of his friends w/ him everywhere he goes.)

guys, I know it's hard, but ur gonna have to accept the fact that batman is not unbeatable.

 

[Savage]

I just dont see how anybody can be so ignorant and use the term "in a fair fight" when talking about a fight between these 2 characters.

It will never be fair.Thats why Bat's always plans to even the odds.

We use the term fair fight because ANYBODY can win in an unfair fight. It's pretty much a cheap argument because anybody can argue that Lex Luthor can beat Superman for the same reason Batman can or that even Lois Lane can beat him (she really does have more of a chance than anybody else. She's the closest). Yes Batman fights unfair but when it comes down to it in order to even the odds every hero has to fight unfair at one point or another. It's what the entire Justice League is for. To wail on big villains that no hero can take on by themselves.

If you're arguing about who would win in an unfair fight then screw it, ANYBODY can win. That's the entire POINT of an unfair fight.

 

[Venomfan]

every reason given for Batman to win always involves superman being a complete moron. If Superman knows they are going to fight all he has to do is fly at Mach 1000 and flick Batman in the head and he's out cold, fight over with Superman acting in character.

 

[Savage]

Seriously. People need to get that Batman losing does not necessarily make him a bad character. I've been able to accept his victories because of the stipulations he was under but I can't for a second believe that Batman would beat Superman in a truly fair fight (and by fair I mean both characters left with nothing but what makes them them and either both knowing of the upcoming fight or completely clueless). I can believe beating guys like Clayface and such but once you throw superSPEED into the equation, how fast can Batman act? He can have all the plans in the world but they're useless if he can't put them into action.

 

[Franklin Richards]

One of the "things" that makes The Thing so beloved is his "no quit" attitude. He's been fighting the Hulk for years and never gets a break, but everytime they throw down it's know as "The Clash". The Thing might be even more beloved than the Hulk and him losing doesn't diminish his popularity one bit.

Accept that Batman would lose and move on.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'm not sure what point yout trying to make here.

The point: Take away the grandoise legends, the "OMG it's Superman!" or "OMG it's Batman" factors, and what do you have? Either Superman VS a man or Superman VS a man with kryptonite. No big deal, either way, it's something Superman goes against all the time. Or in the case that Batman has a lot of prep time and Superman is depowered thru some means, you have a man VS a man, in which Batman would win because he faces that all the time. Or, in the instance that Batman has prep time, Superman would too, and he'd surely show up with his k/solar suit to counter Batman's methods. It's still lame.

How does having preperation for the fight make it any less Real????

Have you ever been in a fight? I'm talking about an actual fight, like a street fight, suddenly, outa nowhere, no one coulda predicted this, a real "holy ****!" fight, like getting mugged. That's a fight, holmes. A fight with some heads up is not the same thing. I'm talkin' about if Superman and Batman were sucked off the street and put in some galactic arena suddenly and forced to fight each other to the death, Superman would win. Batman can't predict everything, the only way he'd even have a chance at winning would be if he had some major prep time. Batman's my fave character, but Superman owns him in a fight.

Which would all be out of character for Superman

It would also be out of character for Batman to kill, and for the two of them to even be fighting - so in this still hypothetical situation, Superman still kicks Batman's ass.

Another reason why Superman is boss:



http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1884973

 

[stargazer]

Batman on Superman:

"It is a remarkable dichotomy. In many ways, Clark is the most human of us all. Then...he shoots fire from the skies, and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him."

 

[Superman2008]

Both Superman and Batman are my favorite characters in DC, and I've read a lot of their books, graphic novels and currently, I'm enjoying their respective All-Stars book.

And from what I've read and concluded between these two great heroes as far as this thread is concerned, is the writers. There have been far too many writers who generated a lot of great stories about Batman defeating his enemy with his intellect. And there have been far too many writers who have generated stories of Superman defeating his enemy with brawn. Thusly, this process is imbedded into the world's psyche, Batman is the smartest super hero and Superman is the strongest super hero.

When in truth, Superman is as smart as Batman, and in fact smarter. He's the son of Krypton's most influencial mind. Superman has access to technology far superior to Batman, which in turn leads him to have access to more information than Batman. Superman's genetic make up already puts his mind at a higher level than Batman, its just, so many writers have not tapped into this truth, which leads us all to believe that Batman is smarter than Superman. Superman is a highly advanced alien species, both physically and mentally, their race has been around for thousands of years longer than humans, which means they've had more time to evolve their brains and intellect.

To make my point I'll use Tarzan as the perfect metaphor. Tarzan, a human, arguably the most intelligent species on the planet earth. But as an infant he was left to be raised by wild gorrillas. Thusly, he grew up with gorilla customs, communication and habits/instinct. Yet, he was always a little above the rest of the gorillas because of his evolved brain. Tarzan was able to live as one of the gorillas, but at the same time, he was able to use tools, memory and ingenuity to become the Lord of the Jungle. Then as soon as he makes contact with more humans, his brain jumpstarts further. Parts of his brain which were inactive, became active. Ways of thinking and seeing things which he never did before, he now does with ease. Yet, with this advanced knowledge, technology and resources now available to him, Tarzan still goes back to living with the gorillas, living as one of the inhabitants of the jungle.

And this is Superman on earth, he is Tarzan and the earth/solar system is his jungle, so no matter how smart the most intelligent human is on earth, Superman is still far more superior. Now I bring this up because, in a fair fight, Batman will prepare for a battle with Superman....this takes time. Which means, Superman will not waste this time waiting, he, too, will prepare for his upcoming battle with the Batman.

Superman knows more than anyone how smart and resourseful Batman is, so he will not engage him without being fully prepared. In truth, both Superman and Batman are heavily aware of each of their strengths and weaknesses, each of them know how to expoit and counter each other's moves. But in the end, Superman can outlast Batman, no matter how prepared Batman can get. The facts are, The Batman needs kyptonite, magic, technology, food, water and rest to take on Superman on an all out battle, while Superman only needs the sun and a lead-impregnated suit to do battle. Batman may find away to block out the sun around Superman, but the last son of krypton is a living battery, so even if the sun is covered up, Superman can go a few days, maybe a week without the sun and still be able to lift Mt. Fuji.

Superman can easily, as a brutal resort, dive underground, then he can lift the entire town/county/state that Batman is staying/preparing for the fight, and take it to outer space. Then Superman can drop the entire mass of earth on the surface of Mercury which is facing the sun, then attack from a distance.
Batman has no chance, should Superman resort to this means of combat.