Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

by the way, unless batman always keeps kryptonite in his belt (which he doesn't) you can't coun't it as his usual.

He has been known to carry it every time he believes he will encounter Superman.

Thats every time he thinks he will meet up with Sups [for good or bad] and since they meet up a lot you can count it as a usual carry on.

Can any1 name 1 time where batman beat superman w/o kryptonite?

Again you want Superman to have all his powers and abilities but you want to limit Batman from useing every skill and weapon at his disposal.

And FYI the fight they had in "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" was being won by Batman before the kryptonite arrow was used.

, even x-ray vision would help him win. (he could look and see all of what batty has in his belt.)

Your lack of knowledge is laughable.Batmans belt is lined with lead which Superman can not see threw.

(also, keep in mind that batman doesn't actually cary kryptonite whereever he goes. If you look at batman tech on the history chanel, in 1 scene it shows a schematic of batmans utility belt and everything in it. guess what. no kryptonite.)

You just love useing non-canon martial to try to support your arguments.

 

[Savage]

Batman carries around Kryptonite when he knows he'll encounter Superman...What about when he doesn't? You're saying Batman can never be taken by surprise? That Darkseid can't just teleport both Batman and Superman to this mysterious boxing ring and have them duke it out?

 

[[A]]

I voted Batman because.. I know Superman is stronger than anyone and all that, but Bats got a kryptonite suppository in his belt t:

 

[BlueLightning]

Want a fair fight? Teleport them to a place where there is no yellow sun. No gadgets and no superpowers. Then come here and tell me who would win.

 

[C. W. Saturn]

There is no way Batman could win.

Superman is the NUMBER ONE.

Forever.

 

[shadowdog]

Batman would win, no question

 

[The Riddler]

i can't believe superman is winning in this poll.

just shocking.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

You're saying Batman can never be taken by surprise?

No not at all.

I said in one of my first post here that Sup's can take Bats very eazyly if he go'es for a supprise attack.

I also said that such an attack would be out of character for Sup's.

As for your Darkseid senerio, I see the two working together to find a way out of that one.

 

[Savage]

Alright well how about having them mind controlled into fighting each other in said ring? We are talking about a fight between the two characters after all. Totally random and catching both totally off guard. I'm trying to keep this free of any writer bias and going straight with just what both of them normally have. Batman wouldn't normally have kryptonite on him unless he knows he's going to fight Superman just like Superman would not normally wear a lead protective suit unless he knows he's going to fight Batman (or anybody with kryptonite really). So let's just keep this to both characters going on patrol, teleported, then told to duke it out for the fate of the earth in Mortal Kombat or something.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Alright well how about having them mind controlled into fighting each other in said ring? We are talking about a fight between the two characters after all. Totally random and catching both totally off guard. I'm trying to keep this free of any writer bias and going straight with just what both of them normally have. Batman wouldn't normally have kryptonite on him unless he knows he's going to fight Superman just like Superman would not normally wear a lead protective suit unless he knows he's going to fight Batman (or anybody with kryptonite really). So let's just keep this to both characters going on patrol, teleported, then told to duke it out for the fate of the earth in Mortal Kombat or something.

I've also said this before....A fight between these 2,in which neither is in control of them selfs would most likely go to Superman.When not in control of himself Superman uses his powers in ways and in extreams of his normal use.

Batman still has a chance but its a very slim one in that kind of senerio and his chance is solely based on his skills and intelligence.

But for the record Batman carries the Kryptonite anytime he thinks he will encounter Superman in a fight or a team up.

 

[bullets]

Batman's utility belt has a set of brass knuckles made of kryptonite in case Superman ever tries to pull some shady business.

 

[scatterax]

if you voted batman I think you lack logic. end of story.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

if you voted batman I think you lack logic. end of story.

Funny since you havent been able to put forth a logical in character argument to support your claim.

 

[scatterax]

Batman's utility belt has a set of brass knuckles made of kryptonite in case Superman ever tries to pull some shady business.

but does he carry kryptonite around w/ him when he fights the riddler? didn't think so. oh, and batman in a freaking armor suit fighting a superman weakend by a nucleur blast still isn't fair. and if batman can use every single gadget and tool he's ever touched, why can't superman use every power and tool he's ever had too? I mean if it's fair. so superman would be immune to kryptonite and could bring things to life. (and that's just the tip of the ice burg) do you really think batman can fight that???? didn't think so.

 

[BlueLightning]

That´s the thing. Superman superpowers and Batman gadgets. Remove those things. Let alone their abilities, their intelligence, their fighting skills.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

but does he carry kryptonite around w/ him when he fights the riddler?

Whats that got to do with it????

didn't think so. oh, and batman in a freaking armor suit fighting a superman weakend by a nucleur blast still isn't fair.

As stated before the fight could never be fair.

and if batman can use every single gadget and tool he's ever touched, why can't superman use every power and tool he's ever had too?I mean if it's fair. so superman would be immune to kryptonite and could bring things to life. (and that's just the tip of the ice burg) do you really think batman can fight that???? didn't think so

The difference is that Batman would have stored and saved his tools and weapons in case he ever needed them.

Superman can not recall a lost power at any time so any of those powers [bringing things to life] or immunity to kryptonite can not be a factor in this fight..

As for any of Supermans tools...as long as they are still in continuity then he can use them.

Boy your love of Superman is blinding you to basic logic.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Batman Wins!

Hands down. Batman is a super ninja trained to the peek of perfection...Superman is just all braun and relies on his powers because he has no true fighting skills...Batman packs kryptonite and all he has to do is pull it out and Superman gets weak...Superman isn't even the kind of guy who would throw the first punch, he's all goody-goody...Even without the powers and gadgets, Batman would still win because of his fighting skills

 

[Steelsheen]

unbelievable, this thread just wouldnt stay dead.

....just like Supes..... and eventually Bats.

 

[[A]]

unbelievable, this thread just wouldnt stay dead.

Kill it with fire.

 

[scatterax]

@sto_vo_kor_2000

of course it won't be 100% fair. superman has way to many abilities. you take things to literal man. but superman needs to be able to use all his (usual) ability in a fight for it to be valid. same goes for batman. And what I meant when I said that he wouldn't have kryptonite w/ him when he fights the riddler is that it's not 1 of his usual gadgets. in some stories he has some in the batcave for emergansies but thats about it.

look, at the end of the day..
batman=human<superhuman=superman

tell me how batman can even hurt superman? (and that's w/o kryptonight or some stupid battle armor.)

there's just no way batman can win w/o some pre-fight circumstances that either make batman stronger than he was b4, or that make superman weaker than he normally is.and thats what makes all the "batman wins" arguments unfair(er). you need to stop ignoring the obvious fact that batman doesn't stand a chance, and start using your common sense.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Kryptonite really isn't as damaging on Superman as everyone in this thread is making it out to be. It doesn't actually weaken him, it makes him sick. If he punched Batman while Batman was carrying Kryptonite it would still knocked Batman to dust. Unless Batman has a means of turning the sun red, he's not going to bring Superman down to his level. Furthermore Batman has admitted when and if Superman wants to kill him; he could, and Batman couldn't do anything about it (except hide). Superman could heat snipe him from space, speed blitz him so fast he couldn't even get off an errant thought, of just freeze him in place by F***ING BREATHING.

As for Superman being a dummy, only morons like Frank Miller think that. Superman designed the robots that killed Donna Troy, he has cataloged and studied most all of the alien races in the galaxy, he understands, intimately, Kryptonian technology and can process his thoughts at super-human speed. Everyone likes to say "well I've never seen him written this way".

Bullsh**

I'm sure he was displaying his stupidity when he moped the floor with Darkseid, or when he was involved in Crisis of Infinite Earths, or how he got brainwashed by Max Lord and it took nearly the entire League to kind of 'stop him'...and they still barely bruised him. Or perhaps when he held his own against Doomsday, a far more powerful, far superior fighter. Maybe we should look at all the times he's beaten Lex Luthor too, who is still the smartest man in the DCU room. Yeah, total dummy

What people don't see is the typical fair the intelligent in comics. Superman doesn't use his intellect for personal gain. He isn't ruling the world and making us grovel at his feet....yet. I think that's why most people tend to brand him a dummy, because while he is lightyears more advanced than even Bruce, he doesn't act that way. Justice League Unlimited stated it perfectly; Superman "lives in a world of cardboard, always taking care not to break something or hurt someone". Imagine a man so powerful that making an omelet in the morning requires precision a surgeon would cringe at. He can't touch his wife as I could touch my girlfriend or my dog because for him that normal force would simply kill it instantly. Same with his mind. He can't think too fast or he could hurt someone as a result.

 

[scatterax]

Whats that got to do with it????



As for any of Supermans tools...as long as they are still in continuity then he can use them.

Boy your love of Superman is blinding you to basic logic.

well then he has his led suit. so even by your conditions superman's weakness wouldn't effect him.

but the main point of this post is so I can just state that I like batman much better than superman. you know why? cuz he's human. (unlike mr 3 identity superman) the fact that bullets don't hert him and that he's NOT virtually unbeatable (like superman IS) makes him easier to relate to and more interesting. plus he has better stories. and better villains, and so on so forth. But none of that helps much in a fight against superman.

a (true) fan has got to know his favorite heroes limitations. you seems to believe that batman has no limitations. I pitty the fool. I doubt batman could even beat spiderman, much less superman. but that's another argument for another day.

however I do think that your love for batman is blinding you to the truth. And I mean that. ironic, isn't it?

 

[scatterax]

Kryptonite really isn't as damaging on Superman as everyone in this thread is making it out to be. It doesn't actually weaken him, it makes him sick. If he punched Batman while Batman was carrying Kryptonite it would still knocked Batman to dust. Unless Batman has a means of turning the sun red, he's not going to bring Superman down to his level. Furthermore Batman has admitted when and if Superman wants to kill him; he could, and Batman couldn't do anything about it (except hide). Superman could heat snipe him from space, speed blitz him so fast he couldn't even get off an errant thought, of just freeze him in place by F***ING BREATHING.

As for Superman being a dummy, only morons like Frank Miller think that. Superman designed the robots that killed Donna Troy, he has cataloged and studied most all of the alien races in the galaxy, he understands, intimately, Kryptonian technology and can process his thoughts at super-human speed. Everyone likes to say "well I've never seen him written this way".

Bullsh**

I'm sure he was displaying his stupidity when he moped the floor with Darkseid, or when he was involved in Crisis of Infinite Earths, or how he got brainwashed by Max Lord and it took nearly the entire League to kind of 'stop him'...and they still barely bruised him. Or perhaps when he held his own against Doomsday, a far more powerful, far superior fighter. Maybe we should look at all the times he's beaten Lex Luthor too, who is still the smartest man in the DCU room. Yeah, total dummy

What people don't see is the typical fair the intelligent in comics. Superman doesn't use his intellect for personal gain. He isn't ruling the world and making us grovel at his feet....yet. I think that's why most people tend to brand him a dummy, because while he is lightyears more advanced than even Bruce, he doesn't act that way. Justice League Unlimited stated it perfectly; Superman "lives in a world of cardboard, always taking care not to break something or hurt someone". Imagine a man so powerful that making an omelet in the morning requires precision a surgeon would cringe at. He can't touch his wife as I could touch my girlfriend or my dog because for him that normal force would simply kill it instantly. Same with his mind. He can't think too fast or he could hurt someone as a result.

you have some good points. I'm starting to think I underestimated superman now. almost. just more reasons why the man of steel would win.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

It's used inconsistently, but Kryptonite is supposed to poison him and red sun radiation takes away his powers. That's the distinction between the two weaknesses.

 

[scatterax]

It's used inconsistently, but Kryptonite is supposed to poison him and red sun radiation takes away his powers. That's the distinction between the two weaknesses.

I see. cool.