Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

you say you want both of them to be able to bring everything they got, yet you want a powerless superman. interesting logic there.

I dont "WANT" a powerless Superman....its just that Batman would plan to take away the advantages that those powers give Superman.

Remember what this topic is....Batman vrs Superman.

Not the powers but the characters.

And if they are acting "in character" then Batman would have a way to even the odds.

Thats plain and simple logic.

You seem to be looking at this fight as if it were a set of numbers or stats.

And based on the numbers or stats....of course Superman would win.

But numbers and stats only win you points when your talking about a popularity contest.

Numbers and stats wont even win you the President of the United States.....Just look at how Bush got into office the first time.

This fight is not about the numbers or the powers but about the characters and their known abilities and behaviors.....and its in character for Batman to even the odds.

 

[scatterax]

I dont "WANT" a powerless Superman....its just that Batman would plan to take away the advantages that those powers give Superman.

Remember what this topic is....Batman vrs Superman.

Not the powers but the characters.

And if they are acting "in character" then Batman would have a way to even the odds.

Thats plain and simple logic.

You seem to be looking at this fight as if it were a set of numbers or stats.

And based on the numbers or stats....of course Superman would win.

But numbers and stats only win you points when your talking about a popularity contest.

Numbers and stats wont even win you the President of the United States.....Just look at how Bush got into office the first time.

This fight is not about the numbers or the powers but about the characters and their known abilities and behaviors.....and its in character for Batman to even the odds.

but he wouldn't be able to do that in a fight he wasn't expecting is all I'm saying. for batman to stand a chance you have to give him knowlage of the fight ahead of time and giving both characters knowlege just makes it so theres to many things that could or couldn't happen and that doesn't give you a definate answer. maybe you think it's fair for batman to have pre-fight knowlage of superman coming but I don't.

so I'll ask again, do you think batman could beat superman w/o knowing he was gonna fight him and w/o de-powering him?

cause the way I see it, if he didn't know supes was coming he wouldn't think to bring kryptonite, or prepair any other tools, so superman would have use of all his abilities. and I don't think batman caries kryptonite w/ him at all times either. like if batman was in the middle of catching a bank robber and superman came out of nowhere and attacked him he whould be unprepared, and he wouldn't have kryptonite w/ him to use. That's my stance.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

but he wouldn't be able to do that in a fight he wasn't expecting is all I'm saying. for batman to stand a chance you have to give him knowlage of the fight ahead of time and giving both characters knowlege just makes it so theres to many things that could or couldn't happen and that doesn't give you a definate answer. maybe you think it's fair for batman to have pre-fight knowlage of superman coming but I don't.

so I'll ask again, do you think batman could beat superman w/o knowing he was gonna fight him and w/o de-powering him?

cause the way I see it, if he didn't know supes was coming he wouldn't think to bring kryptonite, or prepair any other tools, so superman would have use of all his abilities. and I don't think batman caries kryptonite w/ him at all times either. like if batman was in the middle of catching a bank robber and superman came out of nowhere and attacked him he whould be unprepared, and he wouldn't have kryptonite w/ him to use. That's my stance.

Again your asking out of character questions.

A] Its not in Supermans character to plan a "sneak attack"

B] De-powering him is not the only way to even the odds.

Again he has been known to carry the Kryptonite at all times....or at least at time he thinks he will meat with Sups for good or bad.

Even thatvideo posted above shows that.

And Bat's has thing prepered in advanced.

He has his car,boat and plane all set up to come to him at the touch of a button on his belt.

Do you really think he doesnt have someway to have the Kryptonite brought to him if he needed it?????

Where talking about a parinoid control freak......of course he has the Kryptonite ready to be brought to him by a number of means.


And to answer your other question.....

Your trying to fix the fight again.

You want Superman to know about the fight but not Batman.

You want Superman to attack first with out Batman knowing he was coming.

And if you had been reading all of my post and paying attention you would have seen that I already gave an answer for that senerio.

If Superman were to ever launch a supprise attack trying to kill Batman he could beat Batman....Batman might still have a chance but that chance would have to depend on superman making a stupid mistake.

But again if you were paying attention....as long as Superman is acting in character and is in control of himself that would "NEVER" happen.

It is not in Superman's nature to plan a sneak attack on a person he calls friend.He would just never do that.

He's a better man then that.....and thats the reason why he loses the fight.

Like I said before...Superboy Prime wins in a secon but Superman loses.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Batman cannot beat Superman...end of story.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Batman cannot beat Superman...end of story.

Batman has beat Superman......end of story.

 

[Savage]

He can't beat him if they BOTH know of the upcoming fight. That's just impossible. Batman's advantage is knowing before his opponent or knowing something that the opponent doesn't. If Superman knows the fight is coming then he puts on his sunday's best lead suit and charges the guy at superspeed.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

He can't beat him if they BOTH know of the upcoming fight. That's just impossible. Batman's advantage is knowing before his opponent or knowing something that the opponent doesn't. If Superman knows the fight is coming then he puts on his sunday's best lead suit and charges the guy at superspeed.

The Superspead attack really isint in his character to use as a first attack on a person he calls friend.

And as I said Kryptonite is not his only weakness that Batman can exploite so the lead suit doesnt help as much as you would like.

Even with both characters knowing Batman has a good chance...as long as Superman is in control of himself.

If he is under outside control then Bats is out for the count.

 

[DieSmiling]

Preptime Batgod eats Superman's heart.

 

[Mr.LethalWeapon]

The Superspead attack really isint in his character to use as a first attack on a person he calls friend.

Is this to say that if you haven't seen him do it, he wouldn't do it?

 

[mojo-x]

Are you kidding me in TDK batman took one two of his most psycho crazy villains he ever faced and still came up on top. In SR Superman got his ass handed to him so bad he ended up on his death bed. I mean how is Superman going to go against Batman when he can’t even stand up to Kumar.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Is this to say that if you haven't seen him do it, he wouldn't do it?

No its to say that everything I have learned about the character, after 33 years of reading Superman comic books, leads me to believe that Superman is a much fairer fighter then that.

He's the guy that would walk away from a fight instead of throwing the first punch.

He's the guy that would turn the other cheek before getting into a fight.

He's the guy that holds his punch's even when the guy he's fighting can take it.

He's just over all a good hearted guy who's more interested in a peaceful way out of all conflicts.

Not that things work out that way for him.

 

[scatterax]

Batman has beat Superman......end of story.

but has he beaten him more times?

 

[scatterax]

No its to say that everything I have learned about the character, after 33 years of reading Superman comic books, leads me to believe that Superman is a much fairer fighter then that.

He's the guy that would walk away from a fight instead of throwing the first punch.

He's the guy that would turn the other cheek before getting into a fight.

He's the guy that holds his punch's even when the guy he's fighting can take it.

He's just over all a good hearted guy who's more interested in a peaceful way out of all conflicts.

Not that things work out that way for him.

and batman's not as tuff as he wants every1 to think. he wouldn't kill you or nothin, and he wouldn't break your arm if he didn't need to. he's more like superman than you think. he just tries harder to intimidate people. and superman has killed before when he's had to so he knows when not to be nice.

but since you keep bringing up what's in the heroes character, remember;batman actually getting in a fist fight w/ some one who he calls his friend is more out of character than superman not holding back in a fight.

if superman had a good reason for fighting batman he'd end it as quickly as possible, so he wouldn't go easy on him. but he definetely whouldn't need to use all his power on him either. he only uses all his fighting strength when he's fighting some1 as strong or stronger than him, so of course he's gonna hold back a lil on some1 like batman who he knowes can't beat him. but if push came to shove and batman did something like try to use kryptonite or anything that whould tip the scale in his favor, superman would do whatever he had to to end the fight right there and than. even if it means wounding batman. not because he's cruel or anything, but simply out of self defense. and if you think supermans to nice to defend himself than you really don't no superman at all. so don't give us this bs about superman being to much of a nice guy to actually finish a fight w/ batman. cuz if he had reason enough to fight batman he'd have reason enough to end the fight as quickly as he could w/o killing batman

edit- oh, and batman would be thinking of a way to end it w/o killing superman as well. so if you think supermans unwillingness to kill batman gives batman some kinda advantage you don't know batmans character at all.

 

[Venomfan]

Batman has trouble with the Joker, Two Face, Catwoman, Penguin etc.
Superman has trouble with Darkseid, Doomsday, etc

how long would batman last against Supermans villains vs. how long would Batmans villains last against Superman

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

but has he beaten him more times?

Thats a good question that I dont have the answer to myself.

But after reading 23 pages of this thread nobody has posted a modern fight that Superman won while he was in control of himself.

The closest Superman win was one in which a "Future" Superman came back in time ,acting all emo and out of normal character, pulled a sneak attack and beat on Batman.

Which only proves what I've been saying.

Superman ,as he has been written over the past 20+ years, has not beaten Batman as he has been written over the past 20+ years.

Only under outside control or under extreme emotional conditions has he come close to beating Batman.

Now if anyone has other examples I'm more then willing to examine them.

and batman's not as tuff as he wants every1 to think. he wouldn't kill you or nothin,

He is willing and has planned to kill Superman if the need arises.

Not only that but durring the Armageddon 2001 story arc a future Batman did in fact "KILL" a future Superman that went bad.

and he wouldn't break your arm if he didn't need to.

Thats questionable.

There have been times that he broke arms when the bad guy gave up.

and superman has killed before when he's had to so he knows when not to be nice.

He's never come close to going that far with a non powered human.

but since you keep bringing up what's in the heroes character, remember;batman actually getting in a fist fight w/ some one who he calls his friend is more out of character than superman not holding back in a fight.

Just as I said you need to do some research on the characters in question.

Batman has been known to get into fist fights with those he calls "sons".He has gotten into fist fights with all 3 of his Robins.

Granted he may have held back a bit because he knew they were acting out but it doesnt change the fact that he faught them.

So its a hell of a lot more in character for Batman to fight those he calls friends.I can even remember a few times when he punched out Jim Gordan and one time he fired a "gun" at Jim Gordan.

Again he help back but he still did it.

So tell me......when was the last time that Superman punched a "un-powered" Jimmy Olson or fired his heat vision at ether Lois or Perry White????

Better yet when was the last time Superman rased a hand to hit ether Ma or Pa Kent.

If Batman is willing to fist fight or fire guns at friends and family I say he would be willing to fist fight a friend.

And more to the point Batman created plans to defeat and or kill the entire JLA.

He created the "Brother Eye" satalite program to spy on and track every super-human that he's aware of.

He created the "Omacs" to counter,defeat and kill every superhuman if needed.

You need to learn a bit about the character of Batman before you try to speak on whats in or out of character for him.

if superman had a good reason for fighting batman he'd end it as quickly as possible, so he wouldn't go easy on him

Looks like you need to research Supermans character as well.

Superman had a good reason to fight Batman in "The Dark Knight Returns" but he failed to end it quickly and even I would say that Superman was holding back....and it lead Superman to defeat.

but if push came to shove and batman did something like try to use kryptonite or anything that whould tip the scale in his favor, superman would do whatever he had to to end the fight right there and than.

Again Superman failer to do so in "TDNR" he also failed to do so in the Armageddon 2001 story arc under those same condistions you just posted.

and if you think supermans to nice to defend himself than you really don't no superman at all.

What I do know is that Superman has failed to do what you just suggest he would do on every encounter with Batman.

So let history be the judge of that.

so don't give us this bs about superman being to much of a nice guy to actually finish a fight w/ batman.

It is not bs...its evidence of history.

cuz if he had reason enough to fight batman he'd have reason enough to end the fight as quickly as he could w/o killing batman

Again he hasnt done it before when having a good reason to fight Batman.

edit- oh, and batman would be thinking of a way to end it w/o killing superman as well.

I'm sure he would but at the same time he wouldnt shy away from doing what he felt he needed to.

so if you think supermans unwillingness to kill batman gives batman some kinda advantage you don't know batmans character at all.

You have already proven not to have an understanding of these characters.

Batman has trouble with the Joker, Two Face, Catwoman, Penguin etc.
Superman has trouble with Darkseid, Doomsday, etc

how long would batman last against Supermans villains vs. how long would Batmans villains last against Superman

Thats completely irrelevant.

We're talking about how the characters would deal with each other not the others rougues.

And by the way, Batman pretty much defeated Darksied by threatening to destroy Apocalypse.

batman has also defeated Metalo a few times.

 

[scatterax]

Not only that but durring the Armageddon 2001 story arc a future Batman did in fact "KILL" a future Superman that went bad.

but in the future. so it's non cannon.

He's never come close to going that far with a non powered human.

only because he knows he wouldn't have to. He's stronger than normal humans, including batman. so by saying he'd hold back against batman ur only proving my point on how far ahead of batman superman is ability wise.

Just as I said you need to do some research on the characters in question.

Batman has been known to get into fist fights with those he calls "sons".He has gotten into fist fights with all 3 of his Robins.

Granted he may have held back a bit because he knew they were acting out but it doesnt change the fact that he faught them.

So its a hell of a lot more in character for Batman to fight those he calls friends.I can even remember a few times when he punched out Jim Gordan and one time he fired a "gun" at Jim Gordan.

Again he help back but he still did it.

So tell me......when was the last time that Superman punched a "un-powered" Jimmy Olson or fired his heat vision at ether Lois or Perry White????

Better yet when was the last time Superman rased a hand to hit ether Ma or Pa Kent.

If Batman is willing to fist fight or fire guns at friends and family I say he would be willing to fist fight a friend.

And more to the point Batman created plans to defeat and or kill the entire JLA.

He created the "Brother Eye" satalite program to spy on and track every super-human that he's aware of.

He created the "Omacs" to counter,defeat and kill every superhuman if needed.

You need to learn a bit about the character of Batman before you try to speak on whats in or out of character for him.

you missed the whole point of what I was saying. I was saying that superman wouldn't hold back if he didn't need to. under normal circumstances he would hold back against batman cause, lets face it, batmans weak. but if for some strange reason batman became a threat, which would usually never happen w/o kryptonite. which is outlawed in this fight because batman can only use his usual. I mean, batman has special weapons for every heroe in the justice league, but that's not his usual. I'm talkin' the stuff he uses all the time like grappling hooks and batarangs. not stuff like bat-shark-repellant and kryptonite. Furthermore I'm not asking who would win in a particular issue of either of there comics. mostly because comic books are inconsistent overall. And who wins in the comic books is determined strictly by the writer. so depending on a riters bias any hero can beat any other hero. See for like half of the batman stories the writers challange is to come up w/ ways he can defeat villains like clayface and mr freeze. but for most of the superman stories the writers challenge is too come up w/ ways for the villain to somehow threaten superman. so of course when you look at how they've been writtin you'd find instances where superman gets beaten up by some1 weaker than him and where batman defeats some1 more powerful than him. but that's only to tell good stories, and doesn't allways have an accurate logic. Remember the idiotic crossover where batman beat the hulk?

Superman had a good reason to fight Batman in "The Dark Knight Returns" but he failed to end it quickly and even I would say that Superman was holding back....and it lead Superman to defeat.



Again Superman failer to do so in "TDNR" he also failed to do so in the Armageddon 2001 story arc under those same condistions you just posted.

so your really using a story where superman was weakened by a nucleur explosion, shot w/ a kryptonite arrow and lost to a armored up batman w/ a brief assistance by green arrow? or did that not happen in the dark knight returns???

well, since it's apparently ok to use alternate future versions of batman and superman I've got 2 words for you bub.

superboy prime!!

 

[Venomfan]

i like batman when he's done well, but half the time in m opinion he's not. I've seen him get punched/thrown/kicked by guys with superman level strength so many times and he just gets up again, its so ******ed

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

but in the future. so it's non cannon.

Boy you really cant be this dence....or maybe your just trying to reach for any point that might help you.

This fight we're talking about is not canon.

We're talking about a fantasy battle here and when doing so anything the character is personaly capable of doing is relivent to the debate.

Lost or once had powers are not relivent but a characters knowledge and personalty trates are relivent.

So the fact that a future Batman [from 10 years only I might add] killed a future Superman is a rellivent point to bring up because if his future version is capable of doing so then so is the present version.

Its an aspect of Batmans personalty.

only because he knows he wouldn't have to.

Nonsence.More then enough times Lex has had him on the brink of death and it was luck that saved Superman or Lex's stupidy.

Anyone of those times it would have been smarted to take out Lex but he has never been willing.

Just like he wouldnt with Batman.

you missed the whole point of what I was saying. I was saying that superman wouldn't hold back if he didn't need to.

Again there have been times that Superman needed to let lose on Lex the full range of his powers and he still did not.

And again Superman didnt let lose in TDKR's or Armegeden 2001 and in both case's he "NEEDED" too.

but if for some strange reason batman became a threat, which would usually never happen w/o kryptonite. which is outlawed in this fight because batman can only use his usual.

As I said Kryptonite is in his usaul bag of tricks.He almost always carries it and I'm sure he's devised a delivery system just as he can have his cars,planes and boats delievered to him.

Remember the idiotic crossover where batman beat the hulk?

Do you remember how logically it was done.

so your really using a story where superman was weakened by a nucleur explosion, shot w/ a kryptonite arrow and lost to a armored up batman w/ a brief assistance by green arrow? or did that not happen in the dark knight returns???

Yep I'm useing it because its in character for batman to plan for it to happen in that fachion.

As I keep telling you batman cheats, he will use any advantage he has,he will create advantages and he will exploite any and all weakness's.

And by the way, Batman already had Superman on the ropes by the time the kryptone arrow was used.

well, since it's apparently ok to use alternate future versions of batman and superman I've got 2 words for you bub.

superboy prime!!

Boy your really not that bright....ether that or you cant remember anything.

I already said like 10 times that Superboy Prime can beat Batman but Superman could not.

And BTW, I'm not useing the alternate versions to say "hah I proved my point" I'm useing them to establish the capabilities of the characters and their personalty traits.

i like batman when he's done well, but half the time in m opinion he's not. I've seen him get punched/thrown/kicked by guys with superman level strength so many times and he just gets up again, its so ******ed

With that I can agree.

I personaly think that what they've done with Batman is pretty much the equil of what they did with Pre-crisis Superman.

Making him un-beatable.

And I personly have mixed feelings about it.

In 1 way its kind of afiming to think that the little guy can walk and dominate the big guys if he wanted but on the other hand it kinds of puts a damper on reading to comics because you sort of know the outcome before you open the book.

 

[scatterax]

if you already admit this fight is non cannon why bother mentioning things that happened in comics that have little to do w/ batman vs superman?

And why the crap do you think batman has a kryptonite boat delivery system? are you dense???

 

[scatterax]

you keap telling me that batman would cheat, and all I'm saying is in a fair fight, meaning nobody including batman cheats in the fight, superman would pound him to the ground. It's not a question of what's somebody's character, it's a simple question of who has the most fighting ability. I think that's superman. but do you honestly think batman could win w/o cheating? I know you prolly wanna bring up something that happened in the comics, but this is a hypothetical question. Just give me a yes or a know, because we obviously have different views on what we consider a fair fight. so humor me here..

 

[scatterax]

i like batman when he's done well, but half the time in m opinion he's not. I've seen him get punched/thrown/kicked by guys with superman level strength so many times and he just gets up again, its so ******ed

exactly. that's the stuff that's totally stupid and unrealistic. even by comic book standards. It's like they wanna put him up the strength-wise w/ most of the other dc characters. and imo that's the worst thing you can do to batman.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Do you even know how to follow a posting????

The answer to thes questions were in the very same post.

if you already admit this fight is non cannon why bother mentioning things that happened in comics that have little to do w/ batman vs superman?

Like I said I site them to show example of characterization,to show their behaviors,to point out personalty traits, to show their capabilities.

And why the crap do you think batman has a kryptonite boat delivery system? are you dense???

Your miswording what I said.

What I said is , "Do you think that a character like Batman, who has devised a way for his car,boat and planes to be delivered to him at the touch of a button in his belt, has not devised a delivery system for the Kyptonite if he needed it?????

Of course he would.Its in his character to do so.Ether by missal or by satalite Batman would devise a deliver system for the Kptonite.

you keap telling me that batman would cheat, and all I'm saying is in a fair fight

,

As I keep telling you there's no way this could ever be called a fair fight.

Its David vrs Goliath plain and simple it could never be fair

meaning nobody including batman cheats in the fight,

Which would be out of character for Batman because he always cheats one way of the other.

If he didnt he'd be dead long ago.

superman would pound him to the ground.

Which would be out of character for Superman.

Why do you want these guys to act out of character?????

It's not a question of what's somebody's character, it's a simple question of who has the most fighting ability.

How do you figure???

The title of the topic is Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win.

Not Some guy with Batmans gagets vrs some guy with Supermans powers.

In naming the characters the question does become about what the characters are willing to do.

I think that's superman. but do you honestly think batman could win w/o cheating? I know you prolly wanna bring up something that happened in the comics, but this is a hypothetical question. Just give me a yes or a know, because we obviously have different views on what we consider a fair fight. so humor me here..

Again since your nameing the characters then Batman will cheat.

There's no question about it.

Its the very nature of his character.

There's no way you can ask the question and name the characters with out expecting Batman to cheat.He does it every day.He takes every advantage he can find.

You cant ask a question about the characters and expect my to give you out of character answer.

exactly. that's the stuff that's totally stupid and unrealistic. even by comic book standards. It's like they wanna put him up the strength-wise w/ most of the other dc characters. and imo that's the worst thing you can do to batman.

With that I can agree with you.

As I said above

I personaly think that what they've done with Batman is pretty much the equil of what they did with Pre-crisis Superman.

Making him un-beatable.

And I personly have mixed feelings about it.

In 1 way its kind of afiming to think that the little guy can walk and dominate the big guys if he wanted but on the other hand it kinds of puts a damper on reading to comics because you sort of know the outcome before you open the book.

 

[scatterax]

As I keep telling you there's no way this could ever be called a fair fight.

Its David vrs Goliath plain and simple it could never be fair



Which would be out of character for Batman because he always cheats one way of the other.

If he didnt he'd be dead long ago.

So your admitting he would lose w/o cheating. Good. Just making sure you still had your common sense.

So what it seems like to me is that your version of a fair fight is for batman to cheat to tip the scales in his favor. but in my view thats kinda an oxymoron. And saying that it can never be fair because superman is so much stronger just confirms that him beating superman is common sense. When you start letting batman use things like kryptonite than it becomes irrelevant, because it's not batmans brains that supermans fighting it's just his weakness that challenges him. lex luthor can beat superman w/ kryptonite, but that doesn't mean he'd win in a fight. the same goes for batman in my view. Btw, I don't think letting superman use all his powers is trying to tip the scale in his favor. I think taking them away is when you know that you have a bias for 1 character.

so even though it's clear that we don't agree on the rules of this fight am I correct in assuming your view as that batman can beat superman when he cheats to even the odds, but if batman didn't cheat than superman would win?

 

[BlueLightning]

Cheating? That's wrong. If cheating is using gadgets, then superpowers is cheating too. Look at the Incredibles for example, Dash couldn´t use his powers in competition because it would be an unfair advantage.

Same applies on Smallville, when Clark was accepted on the Football team.

I will say this forever, strip them from his powers and gadgets. Then you can have a fair fight.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

So your admitting he would lose w/o cheating. Good. Just making sure you still had your common sense.

I said that a long time ago.

I also said the its still a win in Batmans book.

So what it seems like to me is that your version of a fair fight is for batman to cheat to tip the scales in his favor.

Its not my version its how DC has been writting his character for the bast 20+ years.

And to be perfectly honest....can you really think of any other way that would allow for such a fight to truly be called "fair"??????

There is no other way for these to have a fair fight other then for Batman to create some advantages by cheating.

When you start letting batman use things like kryptonite than it becomes irrelevant,

Again it not me letting Batman use it, its DC that has given Batman the largest stock pile of the stuff that allows Batman to use it in a fight.

If you dont like that fact take it up with DC.

because it's not batmans brains that supermans fighting it's just his weakness that challenges him.

Actually it would be both.

Batman would have to find a way to lure Supes in close for the Kryptonite to have the best effect.

That takes brains.

I don't think letting superman use all his powers is trying to tip the scale in his favor. I think taking them away is when you know that you have a bias for 1 character.

Again take it up with DC....they gave Bats the ability and the tools to get the job done.

but if batman didn't cheat than superman would win?

But if Batman didnt cheat then we're not really talking about the character of Batman are we????

If cheating is using gadgets, then superpowers is cheating too.

Useing the gadgets isint cheating but how and why you use them may be.

I will say this forever, strip them from his powers and gadgets. Then you can have a fair fight.

Even that may not result in a "fair fight".

Think about letting a Pit bull fight a Chiwawa.

When it comes to fighting skill Batman would be the Pit Bull.