Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[scatterax]

I said that a long time ago.

I also said the its still a win in Batmans book.



Its not my version its how DC has been writting his character for the bast 20+ years.

And to be perfectly honest....can you really think of any other way that would allow for such a fight to truly be called "fair"??????

There is no other way for these to have a fair fight other then for Batman to create some advantages by cheating.



Again it not me letting Batman use it, its DC that has given Batman the largest stock pile of the stuff that allows Batman to use it in a fight.

If you dont like that fact take it up with DC.



Actually it would be both.

Batman would have to find a way to lure Supes in close for the Kryptonite to have the best effect.

That takes brains.



Again take it up with DC....they gave Bats the ability and the tools to get the job done.



But if Batman didnt cheat then we're not really talking about the character of Batman are we????


Useing the gadgets isint cheating but how and why you use them may be.



Even that may not result in a "fair fight".

Think about letting a Pit bull fight a Chiwawa.

When it comes to fighting skill Batman would be the Pit Bull.

just because some1s stronger does not mean the fights fair. an unfair fight is fight where both combatants have a set of rules, and they follow it. Jus because supermans the pitbull and batmans the chiwawa (and i do think supes is the pit bull in this case)doesn't mean you get to tip the scale in batmans favor.

and quit trying to make it a character study. it's not as complicated a fight as you think when nobody's allowed to cheat.

Than again who am I kidding. At this point our arguements are getting more repetitive and none of us is going to change their minds. I've said what I wanna say and you've said what you wanted to say, lets just agree to dissagree.

 

[BlueLightning]

Even that may not result in a "fair fight".

Think about letting a Pit bull fight a Chiwawa.

When it comes to fighting skill Batman would be the Pit Bull.

Now you get my point.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Hasn't anyone considered a battle of wits?
C'mon, after Bats humiliates Superman, boy scout punches him simply out of spite...

 

[Captain Kirk]

Hasn't anyone considered a battle of wits?
C'mon, after Bats humiliates Superman, boy scout punches him simply out of spite...

Superman is way smarter than Batman! Super-intellect you know!

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Funny you put that picture up....Superman lost that fightt:

Jus because supermans the pitbull and batmans the chiwawa (and i do think supes is the pit bull in this case)doesn't mean you get to tip the scale in batmans favor.

You need to learn how to follow post a bit better.

That was in responce to the idea of taking away Sups powers and Bats gadgets.

In a case like that Bats is the Pit bull because of his years in fighting training.

and quit trying to make it a character study.

Again the name of the topic is "Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win"

In nameing the characters alone makes it a character study.

it's not as complicated a fight as you think when nobody's allowed to cheat.

And again...if Batman doesn't cheat he's not acting in character.

Than again who am I kidding. At this point our arguements are getting more repetitive and none of us is going to change their minds. I've said what I wanna say and you've said what you wanted to say, lets just agree to dissagree.

Thats fine by me.

Now you get my point.

Yep

Superman is way smarter than Batman! Super-intellect you know!

As I said before " Super-intellect" went out of continuity with the first crisis.

Even thou their starting to being back many of his pre-crisis stats " Super-intellect" hasnt come back yet.

 

[Captain Kirk]

Funny you put that picture up....Superman lost that fightt:

No he didn't! The only thing that saved Batman from getting smashed with a car was Catwoman pushing Lois from that building. Supes had Bats pissing in his tights.

As I said before " Super-intellect" went out of continuity with the first crisis.

Even thou their starting to being back many of his pre-crisis stats " Super-intellect" hasnt come back yet.

Sorry but you are wrong again. Go back and read the Up, Up and Away tpb. It explains that when Superman's powers are restored after the OYL event he gains new powers like super-intellect!

 

[BlueLightning]

It maybe has superintellect in the sense that you have to control his powers, but not on a deductive level like Bruce.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Sorry but you are wrong again.

Again????? Where else did you prove me wrong????

Go back and read the Up, Up and Away tpb. It explains that when Superman's powers are restored after the OYL event he gains new powers like super-intellect!

I'll look it up as soon as I get a chance.

But regardless.....I've seen no evidence of Superman displaying any sort of super-intellect so maybe its a developing power.

And even at that there's no real reason to assume that "super-intellect" is beyond the capabilities of a normal human.

It would only mean that Supes has by nature that which normal humans have to work hard to develope.

And theres no mention of Sups gaining "super-intellect" on the DC Database entree for New Earth Superman.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_(New_Earth)

Granted I dont always put my faith in such sites but that have been pretty up to date and I would thing if "super-intellect" had been brought back into continuity they would have some mention of it.

 

[Captain Kirk]

Again????? Where else did you prove me wrong????




I'll look it up as soon as I get a chance.

But regardless.....I've seen no evidence of Superman displaying any sort of super-intellect so maybe its a developing power.

And even at that there's no real reason to assume that "super-intellect" is beyond the capabilities of a normal human.

It would only mean that Supes has by nature that which normal humans have to work hard to develope.

And theres no mention of Sups gaining "super-intellect" on the DC Database entree for New Earth Superman.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_(New_Earth)

Granted I dont always put my faith in such sites by that have been pretty up to date and I would thing if "super-intellect" had been brought back into continuity they would have some mention of it.

Just trust me! If you have not read Up, Up, and Away then you need to. Kurt Busiek and Geoff Johns collaborated on the story and it's great. At the end Superman talks about how his mind has sped up and he can process info much quicker. It's a good read

 

[dnno1]

...But regardless.....I've seen no evidence of Superman displaying any sort of super-intellect so maybe its a developing power.

And even at that there's no real reason to assume that "super-intellect" is beyond the capabilities of a normal human.

It would only mean that Supes has by nature that which normal humans have to work hard to develope.

And theres no mention of Sups gaining "super-intellect" on the DC Database entree for New Earth Superman.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_(New_Earth)

Granted I dont always put my faith in such sites by that have been pretty up to date and I would thing if "super-intellect" had been brought back into continuity they would have some mention of it.

The DC wikia is not necessarily the authority on Superman (although it does have extensive infomation about the character and his different interpretations. This new Post Infinite Chrisis (PIC) Superman has an origin that has yet to be told and we will have to see if they include a Super intellect. It really seems that they want to merge the mythos of the Superman films with that of the Silver Age and Post Crisis Supermen. That would imply that he would have some type of super-intellect/vast knoweldge that was partly learned from Jor-El as a child (from the crystals). Keep in mind that prior to Infinite Crisis, he did develop tesseract space and was able to store his entire fortress into a portable globe.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Let me ask this question.


Captain America vs. Thor.


Who would win?


Once you come to the conclusion that Cap would lose you must realize that Bats would lose too.

 

[Venomfan]

Let me ask this question.


Captain America vs. Thor.


Who would win?


Once you come to the conclusion that Cap would lose you must realize that Bats would lose too.

thats almost a more fair fight just because Captain America has better phsyical abilities than Batman.


one thing i don't get about Batman though is how he's supposed to be the smart good guy in the DC universe. You've got guys that are from these high tech super advanced galaxies and they are all dumber then Batman. I mean on the Justice League there is no way Batman should be the "brains" when you've got guys like J'onn on it.

it is said a lot that Batman is the greatest detective, but what about the Question? if you ask me he should be a better detective. Batman to me is more of a jack of all trades, not the best at everything but good at everything. Like Wildcat or someone should be a better fighter since thats his schtick, Lex is smarter cuz thats his thing, Questions a better detective cuz thats his thing etc.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Just trust me! If you have not read Up, Up, and Away then you need to. Kurt Busiek and Geoff Johns collaborated on the story and it's great. At the end Superman talks about how his mind has sped up and he can process info much quicker. It's a good read

I'll give you the benifit of the doubt since I havent read it yet....but

A] they havent shown any evidence of a super intelect
B] a sped up mind and quicker process [your words] is not evidence of a super intellect or that he has surpassed Batmans intellect.

Althou he may develop pass Batman he hasnt proven to yet.

The DC wikia is not necessarily the authority on Superman

Didn't I pretty much allude to that in my post??????

Granted I dont always put my faith in such sites

Yep I did.t:

Let me ask this question.


Captain America vs. Thor.


Who would win?


Once you come to the conclusion that Cap would lose you must realize that Bats would lose too.

Every time you try these analogies you fail.

In Avengers #4, the first meating of Captain America's and the Avengers [consisting of Giant Man,the Wasp,Ironman and Thor, Captain America fought the entire team of Avengers till a stand still.

Thor couldnt even touch Captain America after throwing his hammer at him.

And besides that Captain Americas has defeated the Hulk....and the Hulk has defeated Thor more then enough times.

On top of that Captain Americas is capable of lifting and useing Mjollnir which would be a great disadvantage to Thor if cap got his hands on it.

 

[Venomfan]

Every time you try these analogies you fail.

In Avengers #4, the first meating of Captain America's and the Avengers [consisting of Giant Man,the Wasp,Ironman and Thor, Captain America fought the entire team of Avengers till a stand still.

Thor couldnt even touch Captain America after throwing his hammer at him.

And besides that Captain Americas has defeated the Hulk....and the Hulk has defeated Thor more then enough times.

On top of that Captain Americas is capable of lifting and useing Mjollnir which would be a great disadvantage to Thor if cap got his hands on it.

see this is the kind of crap that i hate. this is just plain bad writing. don't tell me Captain America is only peak human when he does stuff like this all the time

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

see this is the kind of crap that i hate. this is just plain bad writing. don't tell me Captain America is only peak human when he does stuff like this all the time

Oh I agree with you 100%.

Its not very consistent with what they claim are his limits.

But the fact remains that he did all of this.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Let me ask this question.


Captain America vs. Thor.


Who would win?


Once you come to the conclusion that Cap would lose you must realize that Bats would lose too.

Absolutely. Good point.

 

[dnno1]

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Funny you put that picture up....Superman lost that fightt:

Umm no he didn't that fight was stopped when Superman was about to kill Batman because Catwoman was about to throw Lois off a building if not for that Batman would have been dead then. Also if you want to pick that fight back up during Superman: Sacrifice he owned Batman and almost killed him in under a min. Had it not been for the purple ray Batman would be dead.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Umm no he didn't that fight was stopped when Superman was about to kill Batman because Catwoman was about to throw Lois off a building if not for that Batman would have been dead then.

And who sent Catwoman to the Daily Planet with instructions to kidnap one of the workers in the reporters den???????

Batman did...hence it was a winning tactic and a win in his book.

As I said before.....Batman would use your loved ones againest you in a fight....just as he did in Hush.

Also if you want to pick that fight back up during Superman: Sacrifice he owned Batman and almost killed him in under a min. Had it not been for the purple ray Batman would be dead.

Why is is that none of you Superman supporters can find a single case of Superman beating Batman when both characters were in control of them selfs or not under the influance of someone elses or something elses control????

Every example I've posted of Bat's winning both characters were in control of them selfs.

In Superman: Sacrifice, Superman was under the control of Max Lord and believed he was fighting Brainiac not Batman.

Sup's used tactics that he believed would defeet Brainiac....he would never used those in a fight with Batman.

 

[scatterax]

um, so batman calling getting catwoman to help him means he's the 1 who 1? I'd say you need to give catwoman credit too man. just cause it wasn't her idea doesn't mean she didn't do anything.

edit- and from reading the ur guy's post, batman only tied at most.

 

[blksuperman2]

Why is is that none of you Superman supporters can find a single case of Superman beating Batman when both characters were in control of them selfs or not under the influance of someone elses or something elses control????

I'm probably one of the few Superman supporters that actually agree w/ most of your points but why would these 2 be fighting if one wasn't in control by another influence???

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

um, so batman calling getting catwoman to help him means he's the 1 who 1? I'd say you need to give catwoman credit too man. just cause it wasn't her idea doesn't mean she didn't do anything.

Batmans the "General" Catwoman is a soldier..

edit- and from reading the ur guy's post, batman only tied at most.

Batman manipulated that fight to his desired outcome.

Thats a win for him.

I'm probably one of the few Superman supporters that actually agree w/ most of your points but why would these 2 be fighting if one wasn't in control by another influence???

I completly agree that that these two fighting while in control of them selfs wouldnt be a common place thing.

But I didnt start this topic and the op never set down a critira so you left with an open range of possibilites.

And I know of a few fight they had were both were in control of them selfs, The Dark Knight Returns,The Dark Knight Strikes again,Armageddon 2001.

In each case they were in control of them selfs and Batman came out on top.

Althu in Armageddon 2001 Superman seemed to be suffering from the effects of depresion from not saving Lois but he wasnt under the control of a third party.

 

[blksuperman2]

I completly agree that that these two fighting while in control of them selfs wouldnt be a common place thing.

But I didnt start this topic and the op never set down a critira so you left with an open range of possibilites.

And I know of a few fight they had were both were in control of them selfs, The Dark Knight Returns,The Dark Knight Strikes again,Armageddon 2001.

In each case they were in control of them selfs and Batman came out on top.

Althu in Armageddon 2001 Superman seemed to be suffering from the effects of depresion from not saving Lois but he wasnt under the control of a third party.

IMO TDKR and most of Frank Miller's Batman stuff shouldn't be used as proof as to how Batman would or wouldn't fair up against Supes. Miller has stated numerous times how he distains Superman and always thought that Batman was a better character. He's also the first one to change the character dynamic of the Bruce Wayne/Clark Kent angle and pretty much made the 2 characters dislike each other.

Supes was in control of himself but was still manipulated into confronted Bats which really isn't in his character.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

IMO TDKR and most of Frank Miller's Batman stuff shouldn't be used as proof as to how Batman would or wouldn't fair up against Supes.

I only use those examples for tactical purpose's.

The tactics imployed by Batman in those situations are very much in character for Batman

Miller has stated numerous times how he distains Superman and always thought that Batman was a better character.

I think thats a bit of an over statement but I can see your point.

He's also the first one to change the character dynamic of the Bruce Wayne/Clark Kent angle and pretty much made the 2 characters dislike each other.

True enough but it was a logical move.

Only in a fairy tail would two characters like Batman and Superman, with views of the world and justice that differ so much, be the best of friends.

Dont get me wrong I too like it when there friends but in the real world, to expect these 2 to be real friends wold be like having the head of the KKK be friends with Louis Farrakhan.

Supes was in control of himself but was still manipulated into confronted Bats which really isn't in his character.

I dont completely agree.

Superman was perfectly willing to stop Batman from taking down the Joker in "A Death in the Family" simple because a FBI agent and the President said that Joker had diplomatic imunuty.

 

[scatterax]

Batmans the "General" Catwoman is a soldier..



Batman manipulated that fight to his desired outcome.

Thats a win for him.

I didn't know he desired to be beaten an inch from his life

but I still haven't read that story u guys r talking about, so I guess it doesn't matter.