Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[Union Jack]

batman does not stand a chance at all against superman.
In an all out fight no holds barred batman doesn't hold a candle to supes..and he knows this..he uses supes innate goodness and honour against him.
all superman has to do is move at super speed,freeze breath heat vision super strength..nah bats can't do nowt to that.
in a fight which is bats gone rogue over the superman who we know to be good and stuff bats does stand a chance cos superman is too honourable to fight to the death or do real damage.
but ina no holds barred superman all the way.

i'd like to see a time when bats goes to that famed utility belt and finds he aint brought that particular gadget with him...

 

[Mr.LethalWeapon]

Bear in mind, that it's entirely possible to prepare for a battle and still get soundly defeated.

When someone is an underdog, it means he or she is more likely to lose.

Edit: In addition, I remember Superman acknowledging Batman as the most dangerous man in the world. Given that, I'd say he'd be less likely to hold back, not more.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I didn't know he desired to be beaten an inch from his life

but I still haven't read that story u guys r talking about, so I guess it doesn't matter.

If were still talking about the "Hush" story.......

Superman was under the control of Poison Ivy.

Batman needed a way to slow Superman down and stop him.

Killing his friend would have been his last option......so he stalled long enough for his plan to free Superman of Ivy's control worked.

he uses supes innate goodness and honour against him.

And that right there gives Batman his chance.

Edit: In addition, I remember Superman acknowledging Batman as the most dangerous man in the world. Given that, I'd say he'd be less likely to hold back, not more.

Superman has also said that Batman is as close to him as any brother can be...... Given that, I'd say he'd be more likely to hold back in a fight with his "Brother", not less

 

[Venomfan]

how did superman beat batman within an inch of his life or w/e?
same with the time that someone said about supes thinking batman was brainiac? if supes thought he was fighting brainiac he'd be hitting him hard wouldnt he?

i mean if superman is controlled he'd just poke batman in the head and the dudes dead. was it one of those dumb stories where supes is punching and throwing batman around yet batman keeps getting up?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

same with the time that someone said about supes thinking batman was brainiac? if supes thought he was fighting brainiac he'd be hitting him hard wouldnt he?

i mean if superman is controlled he'd just poke batman in the head and the dudes dead. was it one of those dumb stories where supes is punching and throwing batman around yet batman keeps getting up?

Logic dictates that is Superman were being controlled by a 3rd party, then Superman would do what ever that 3rd party wanted.

And the simple fact is that Maxwell Lord was in control of Superman and alter his thought to make Superman believe that he was fighting Brainiac and not Batman.

Why Superman didnt kill Batman could be as simple as the fact that Max Lord maybe didnt want Batman dead and made sure that Superman didnt kill him.

 

[scatterax]

Logic dictates that is Superman were being controlled by a 3rd party, then Superman would do what ever that 3rd party wanted.

And the simple fact is that Maxwell Lord was in control of Superman and alter his thought to make Superman believe that he was fighting Brainiac and not Batman.

Why Superman didnt kill Batman could be as simple as the fact that Max Lord maybe didnt want Batman dead and made sure that Superman didnt kill him.

did he punch batman in that fight?

 

[blksuperman2]

I have the Superman issue where Supes believes that Brainiac has held Perry White, Jimmy & Lois hostage under water in tubes. Somehow while trying to save them he ends of killing them all. He freaks out and takes his dispair out on Brainiac. Once he's done pounding on what he thought was Brainiac it shows him back in the FoS w/ his hands all bloody and he realizes that it wasn't Brainiac at all.

I honestly have never read the subsequent issues but from what I've been told it was actually Batman that Supes was punching. Really doesn't make sense to me that a being that can lift mountains wouldn't have utterly destroyed a human but that's the joy of make believe characters. They can do whatever the writers want them to.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

did he punch batman in that fight?

Yes.

But before you post your next statement read on.........

Really doesn't make sense to me that a being that can lift mountains wouldn't have utterly destroyed a human

It doesnt make sense to me ether but there is a logical out in this particular case.

Superman was under the complete control of Max Lord.

All of his senses were also under Max's control.There was nothing about what Superman was seeing ,smelling, felling or hearing that Max couldnt distort.

So its not hard to believe that Max made sure that Superman didnt use and lethal force in the attack.

If Max could have such complete control over what Superman thought was happening then he could have also controlled the part of Superman's brain that governs muscle function.

 

[blksuperman2]

It doesnt make sense to me ether but there is a logical out in this particular case.

Superman was under the complete control of Max Lord.

All of his senses were also under Max's control.There was nothing about what Superman was seeing ,smelling, felling or hearing that Max couldnt distort.

So its not hard to believe that Max made sure that Superman didnt use and lethal force in the attack.

If Max could have such complete control over what Superman thought was happening then he could have also controlled the part of Superman's brain that governs muscle function.

Fair enough. I can buy that explanation.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Fair enough. I can buy that explanation.

One is glad to be of servicet:

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

If you really want to see a fight between Superman and Batman one on one read Lex Luthor Man of Steel that is how a fight between the two would go down. All the other times Batman "beat" Superman he had to get help Superman has always done it by himself. In Lex Luthor Superman beat Batman in his hometown no less.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

If you really want to see a fight between Superman and Batman one on one read Lex Luthor Man of Steel that is how a fight between the two would go down. All the other times Batman "beat" Superman he had to get help Superman has always done it by himself. In Lex Luthor Superman beat Batman in his hometown no less.

Well if I'm right that story was supposed to take place early in their carriers.

One wouldnt expect Batman to know as much about Superman or to know what he might need to know to beat Superman soon after they first met.

But that book was very well written and I cant believe it slipped my mind.

 

[scatterax]

Yes.

But before you post your next statement read on.........



It doesnt make sense to me ether but there is a logical out in this particular case.

Superman was under the complete control of Max Lord.

All of his senses were also under Max's control.There was nothing about what Superman was seeing ,smelling, felling or hearing that Max couldnt distort.

So its not hard to believe that Max made sure that Superman didnt use and lethal force in the attack.

If Max could have such complete control over what Superman thought was happening then he could have also controlled the part of Superman's brain that governs muscle function.

so according to you superman was holding still holding back, and he 1 after all. so whether or not he was under control doesn't make much differnce. I mean if the guy who controlled him could allso hold back enough not to kill him and still beat him senseless why wouldn't superman be able to do that when he wasn't under his control.

but than again i still don't get why yuo'd make superman hold back if you wanted him to fight sum1?

also, if batman has access to the worlds largest supply of krytonite at all times, why didn't he think to use it? (my answer is cause he doesn't have access to it at all times.)

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

so according to you superman was holding still holding back,

Not according to me....I said it was the only logical conclusion that could be reached that would explain why Batman still had a head on his shoulders.

and he 1 after all. so whether or not he was under control doesn't make much differnce.

Excuse me?????

I mean if the guy who controlled him could allso hold back enough not to kill him and still beat him senseless why wouldn't superman be able to do that when he wasn't under his control.

You just dont follow post very well.

While under control Superman launched a sneak attack, he just came out of no where and started attacking who he thought was Brainiac.

If Superman were under his own control he would never have launched such a vicues sneak attack.Its not in his nature.

but than again i still don't get why yuo'd make superman hold back if you wanted him to fight sum1?

What do you meen by "why would I make Superman hold back"?????

And I can ask you the same kind of question.

Why would you want to pit Batman in a fight with someone and not allow him to use all his tools,intelligence, stratigy,planning and what ever he is well known to be capable of?????

also, if batman has access to the worlds largest supply of krytonite at all times, why didn't he think to use it?

To begin with I never said Batman has "to the worlds largest supply of krytonite at all times".

I said he has it stored in the cave and can uitilize it anytime he wants.I said he has proven to carry some almost at all times, and I said that he has most likely devised a way to have some delievered to where ever he need it by some kind of means.

He has proven to have such tech and he has porven to think that far ahead.

Now to answer your question.......

The attack was too fast, too sudden,to ruthless and with out much of a chance to do anything.

The very kind of attack that you have been suggesting all this time....but like I said it happened while under the control of a 3rd party.

(my answer is cause he doesn't have access to it at all times.)

You like to make comments and judments about these characters but you have almost no basic knowlidge of the history and events in these characters lives.

The events of that attack took place "BEFORE" Batman came into possession of the largest supply of krytonite.

Batman only recently, earlier this year, collected the Kryptonite with Supermans help I might add.

The sneak attack on Batman by a Max Lord controlled Superman took place close to 2 years ago.

Althou I'm sure he had an ample supply of Kryptonite some where in the cave durring the attack, as I pointed out the attack was too sudden and quick for Batman to respond.

 

[stargazer]

AWESOME! = WF

 

[scatterax]

I meant why would max lord bother to make superman fight batman if he was just gonna make him hold back.


and about how you said superman attacked to fast for batman to react, that's exactly what I was trying to explain to you when I said batman couldn't beat superman w/ 4ever and a day of planning and prep time. the fight would be over b4 battie could come up w/ a winning strategy. prep time's for people who pose as fighting experts. so if he was as good a fighting expert as you claim, he'd be able to win w/o it. I mean we ain't talkin some hyped up commercialized heavy weight boxing match. this hypothetical match is more along the lines of a bar fight. (but picture it in urban streets.)


and you said superman was holding back in that fight anyway, so don't change ur story and try to tell me that he wouldn't attack as hard as he did if he had control of his mind.

 

[scatterax]

AWESOME! = WF

sure is.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

AWESOME! = WF

Yeah its pretty cool.

I meant why would max lord bother to make superman fight batman if he was just gonna make him hold back.

There's only 2 ways to answer that question.

1] you need an understanding of his character
2] read the story in question

and about how you said superman attacked to fast for batman to react, that's exactly what I was trying to explain to you

I understand that and what you keep failing to understand is that its not in Supermans nature, its not in his character to attack a friend like that if he was in control of himself.

so if he was as good a fighting expert as you claim, he'd be able to win w/o it.

Nonsence.

Every great fighter studies his oponates fighting skills and capabilities by watching old fights on tape.

He then plans a strategy based on what he's learned from that.

Every football choach studies the opposing teems capabilites from watching them play, he then plans a winning stratigy based on what he's learned.

Thats called prep time.

Its part of being a great fighter or a coach or a leader.

I mean we ain't talkin some hyped up commercialized heavy weight boxing match. this hypothetical match is more along the lines of a bar fight. (but picture it in urban streets.)

I fail to see how it makes much of a difference.

Batman has studied Superman for close to 15 years [their time] already.

The prep time is already in.

You keep changing the critria of the fight just to see if it proves your argument and it doesnt.

and you said superman was holding back in that fight anyway,

Actually what I said is that it would seem that Max had Superman holding back because Batman should be dead if Superman hit Batman as hard as he would normally hit Brainic.

You really should try to follow whats been written.

so don't change ur story and try to tell me that he wouldn't attack as hard as he did if he had control of his mind.

Who's changing anything???

Superman has never, and I repeat "NEVER", proven to hit a normal human the way he would hit one of his superpowered enimys.

He has never, and I repeat "NEVER", proven to attack a normal human they way he would attack one of his superpowerd enimeys.

Its not in his character to do so.

Again if you dont like it..... take it up with DC comics.

Thats how they've been writting Superman for over the past 20 years.

Stop crying about it and accept it.

Every single argument you have put forth would have the characters action out of character, would be limiting Batman, and would be fixing the fight.

All your reasoning are based on your opinion that Superman is the "Superior" man placing powers far above the intelligence, training, strategy,intuition, capabilities,knowledge, will power,invention and determination.

Not to mention that Batman has the knowledge of what Supermans weaknesses are, access to materials needed to make wepons to capatilize on those weaknesses, the tools to get the job done and is willing to do what ever, and I repeat "WHAT EVER", it takes to do it.

All of these are as essential to Batmans character as Flying speed and what ever are essential parts of Supermans character.

But you would limit Batmans capabilites for the sake of streanghting your case,You would limit him acsess to his tools, you would limit him accsess to the materials he is known to have stored and you would also go as far as to suggest that he's not allowed the prep time.

Something he's had years of already in preperation of a possible fight with Superman.

And why????So you can stack the odds in Supermans favor, as if they werent already.

You've failed to prove your point.

Others here have provided some logical points in Superman favor but yours are full of opinion and dont have a leg to stand on.

 

[scatterax]

Yeah its pretty cool.




I understand that and what you keep failing to understand is that its not in Supermans nature, its not in his character to attack a friend like that if he was in control of himself.


he has never, and I repeat "NEVER", proven to attack a normal human they way he would attack one of his superpowerd enimeys.

Its not in his character to do so.

Again if you dont like it..... take it up with DC comics.

Thats how they've been writting Superman for over the past 20 years.

Stop crying about it and accept it.

of course it's out of character for superman to hit a normal human being. this whole fight is out of character. but I'm saying if something pushed superman over the edge enough to do something out of character enough as fighting 1 of his allies, he'd make decisions and be doing other stuff he normally wouldn't choose to do as a side effect of being pushed so hard. superman would avoid a conflict w/ batman if he could. (out fear of accidentally hurting batman to much, and not fear of batman hurting him, incase you where wondering) but this is if superman was mad enough to fight batman, and vice versa, so most of what superman would and would not do if he was acting calm and like his usual self is pretty much irrelevant.

w/ that in mind the outcome of this fight seems little more random, and a little less predictable doesn't it?

now as far as superman holding back, I do believe even if he was angry he wouldn't hit or hurt batman enough to, say, cripple him or kill him, but if you really think that's how far he'd have to go to win a fight w/ batman you are seriously over estimating batmans chances.

but as far as prep time goes, this is a whould be fight that happens on the fly, meaning batman wouldn't have time to time to prepare his vast suply of kryptonite for using against superman, and that he wouldn't have time to prepare a red sun room, or take louis hostage, or plant bombs in the fortress of solitude, or bring green arrow, or robin, or any other dc character along to help him, or build a super armor suit, or use anything else to win that he normally wouldn't cary in his belt if he was just going out on patrol or something.

he still has his ability to strategize, his intelligence, his utiliy belt full of batterangs, a grappling hook, and what else he NORMALLY caries w/ him. he just has to improvise, instead of plan ahead for this fight.

and I know what ur gonna say, and no, this ISN'T to limit batman's abilities. it's only to help eliminate the random factor

but don't forget superman has intelligence, strategy,intuition, capabilities,knowledge, will power,invention and determination too. sure not as much as batie in some areas. but he still has enough intelligence to compete w/ batman. now he doesn't have enough intelligence to win w/o powers against batman, but guess what, he does have powers. and alot of them too. his fisical ability is on a whole new level compared to batmans. batman would break his hand w/ b4 he ever punched supes hard enough to actually hert him. once you stop crying and accept the fact that batman can't even phase superman, I'm sure it'll make much more sense to you why he would lose to superman.

now as for what HAS happened in comic issues. believe it or not, I don't consider crossover stories to be 100% accurate. now b4 you start jabbering on about how "comics the best examples of who would win this fight", that's not necessarily the case. see, the outcome of a fight is based solely on who the writer is, and who he wants to win. also on the story he's trying to tell. all that means that most of the fights are both unpredictable and irrelevant. And this is why I think that; because of the conditions the writer always has to follow. 1: it has to be a good fight. I mean, who wants to see a fight ended in 1 punch? so in order to make the fight more interesting they have to even the odds more. this is the main reason cross over fights are irrelevant.

whenever you see batman get punched hard enough to get thrown accross the room, and get back up like it was any other "normal", or human strength punch, it's the writer trying to make batman an even match for supermans physical powers. when ever batman uses kryptonite, or red solar rays, or anything happens to weaken superman, it's just the writer wanting to bring superman down to batmans level. whenever batman has a friend help him fight superman, or uses some tool that gives him extra abilitys like a suit of armor, it's the writers trying to give superman enough of a challenge to warrant a longer fight.

now, the second reason these crossover stories are irrelevant is, well because of the stories themselves. if the goal is to show what would happen if superman went out of control, he'd prolly end up slaughtering batman, and would fly off to fight sum1 else as soon as he did. if it's to show batman as a hero who can win fights just as easy as any other powered up hero he'd prolly win. it's the circumstances of the individual stories that I have a problem w/. Like if they make superman under mind control, you can ignore the story. if they give batman resilience to attacks than any normal human would have. forget about it. if they make 1 of the characters evil, 4get about it. so on so forth.

this fight, in order to truly be definitive, must have all the random factors removed. So that means no preptime in the batcave for batman, and no angry superman. and it can't be in anybody's home court. but ur prolly wonderin, "under what circumstances would there ever be a fight where batman wouldn't prepare in his batcave, or that superman would be angry enough to fight 1 of his friends w/ out being angry?" or "how is this fight even possible w/o 1 of them not acting like thmaselves, or w/ 1 of them turning eveil or be under mind control" well my answer to that is this...

]the only fair fight that has all the random factors removed (which would include preptime, mind control, raging superman), and is still in character for both, is if it was.... a practice fight!

now, that may sound anti climatic, or boring to some of you, but that really is the best, fairest way to see who would win imo. i don't think it's outa character.

so the conditions are this: they're just sparring in the justice leagues equivalent of the danger room. only w/ lasers and crap shooting at them. just a giant metal room w/ a flat surface, a ceiling, but alot of open space. (well, about 4 stories of open space that is) superman IS holding back. after all, it's just practice. batmans not using any kryptonite, or any thing that could seriously weaken or hurt supes. after all, it is just practice.

so who wins in that case? I'd say superman. what do you think?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

this whole fight is out of character.

Not nessesarily.

These two have had reason to fight in the past while still in character.

but I'm saying if something pushed superman over the edge enough to do something out of character enough as fighting 1 of his allies, he'd make decisions and be doing other stuff he normally wouldn't choose to do as a side effect of being pushed so hard.

Thats about the first thing that you have said that makes 100% sence......no insult intended.

superman would avoid a conflict w/ batman if he could. (out fear of accidentally hurting batman to much, and not fear of batman hurting him, incase you where wondering)

Funny because Superman has expressed a fear of Batman and what he could do if pushed.

but this is if superman was mad enough to fight batman, and vice versa, so most of what superman would and would not do if he was acting calm and like his usual self is pretty much irrelevant.

Who said that would be the case????

The original poster of this thread did not lay down any rules to govern the course of the fight.

w/ that in mind the outcome of this fight seems little more random, and a little less predictable doesn't it?

Not in my eyes.

now as far as superman holding back, I do believe even if he was angry he wouldn't hit or hurt batman enough to, say, cripple him or kill him,

I can see that.

but if you really think that's how far he'd have to go to win a fight w/ batman you are seriously over estimating batmans chances.

No your seriously under estimating Batman chances.

Batman would be willing to criple himself to stop Superman if it were needed.

Superman would have to be willing to go that far to stop him.

but as far as prep time goes, this is a whould be fight that happens on the fly,

Again who are you to dictate the course of this fight????

No critera was set by the original poster.

This is just you trying to manipulate the situation again to achieve your desired outcome.

meaning batman wouldn't have time to time to prepare his vast suply of kryptonite for using against superman, and that he wouldn't have time to prepare a red sun room,

Both are surry prepered at all times.

The only thing Batman would have to figure out would be "how to spring the trap"

or take louis hostage,

Taking Lois hostage last time was on the fly...as you call it.

If he did it once he can do it again.

or plant bombs in the fortress of solitude,

Altho I havent thought of bombs in the fortress, if Batman has such bombs I'm sure he planted them years ago.

or bring green arrow, or robin, or any other dc character along to help him,

All he has to do is make a call useing the phone in his mask.

or build a super armor suit,

Already built.

Althu getting it to where he needs it could be a problem.

he still has his ability to strategize, his intelligence, his utiliy belt full of batterangs, a grappling hook, and what else he NORMALLY caries w/ him.

Which includes a small amount of Kryptonite.

and I know what ur gonna say, and no, this ISN'T to limit batman's abilities. it's only to help eliminate the random factor

And why would you want to do that?????

Random factors are what great fights are made of.

but don't forget superman has intelligence, strategy,intuition, capabilities,knowledge, will power,invention and determination too.

Yes he does but they pale in compairison.

but guess what, he does have powers. and alot of them too.

Powers that can be negated.

his fisical ability is on a whole new level compared to batmans. batman would break his hand w/ b4 he ever punched supes hard enough to actually hert him. once you stop crying and accept the fact that batman can't even phase superman, I'm sure it'll make much more sense to you why he would lose to superman.

I havent been crying buddy.....I've been useing known exaples and logic.

You keep falling on the same tired argument that proves nothing.

now as for what HAS happened in comic issues. believe it or not, I don't consider crossover stories to be 100% accurate. now b4 you start jabbering on about how "comics the best examples of who would win this fight", that's not necessarily the case. see, the outcome of a fight is based solely on who the writer is, and who he wants to win. also on the story he's trying to tell. all that means that most of the fights are both unpredictable and irrelevant. And this is why I think that; because of the conditions the writer always has to follow. 1: it has to be a good fight. I mean, who wants to see a fight ended in 1 punch? so in order to make the fight more interesting they have to even the odds more. this is the main reason cross over fights are irrelevant.

So on what do you place your fait in???Which stories do you consider rellivent to the issue at hand???

Has to be his solo stories right????

Based on them alone its not in Supermans character to do what must be done to beat Batman.He's never done what was needed to ultimate beat Lex so he'll harly do so with Batman.

when ever batman uses kryptonite, or red solar rays, or anything happens to weaken superman, it's just the writer wanting to bring superman down to batmans level.

And its in character.

Batman normaly finds ways to improve his odds fighting with his regular superpowerd rouges....of course he would do the same with Superman.

whenever batman has a friend help him fight superman, or uses some tool that gives him extra abilitys like a suit of armor, it's the writers trying to give superman enough of a challenge to warrant a longer fight.

Again Batman uses examples of both of those in his day to day fights.

He has trained at least 4 partners and has worked closly with countless outhers.

this fight, in order to truly be definitive, must have all the random factors removed.

Again I dont agree.

So that means no preptime in the batcave for batman,

Its way too late to take that one away.

and no angry superman.

Take that away and all you'll see is them talking.

]the only fair fight that has all the random factors removed (which would include preptime, mind control, raging superman), and is still in character for both, is if it was.... a practice fight!

Prep time is not a random factor.

Its not a random factor if you study for a history test.

Preptime is no different then stuying.

And if its a "pratice fight" then they would have forknowlidge of the coming fight, leaving the possibility for Batman to set traps and bring what ever he wants.

Which would defeet the very critira your tring to set up.

now, that may sound anti climatic, or boring to some of you, but that really is the best, fairest way to see who would win imo. i don't think it's outa character.

so the conditions are this: they're just sparring in the justice leagues equivalent of the danger room. only w/ lasers and crap shooting at them. just a giant metal room w/ a flat surface, a ceiling, but alot of open space. (well, about 4 stories of open space that is) superman IS holding back. after all, it's just practice. batmans not using any kryptonite, or any thing that could seriously weaken or hurt supes. after all, it is just practice.

so who wins in that case? I'd say superman. what do you think?

What would be the purpose of this fight?????

To establish whats already fully known??????

We all know that Superman outclasses Batman on a physical level.

I've said it, you've said it.Its well known.

"On powers alone Superman should win"...that was the first thing I said on this topic.

But the point is that a fight between these 2 characters , practice or real, wouldnt fall on powers alone.

This fight your setting up is not a fair fight because just like your other senrios it robs Batman of all he has and would do to make the fight as fair as possible.

A real fair fight, even a pratice one where they make sure not to use leathal force, would allow Batman to use what ever tool and weapons are at his disposal.But set to a non lethal level.

A real pratice fight has both fighters useing all their skills, capabilities and knowlidge....but with non leathal force.

It would be like a game of tag.

Just look at the X-mans danger room practice fights.

Each character is capable of useing what ever tool,power or weapon they own but not at leathal levels.All their capabilites are used.

And in allowing for a fair "practice" fight between Bats and Sups we still see the same happening.

Batmans straigy and planing combined with his tools and weapons can bring him to victory.

 

[dlClingenpeel]

seriously? not even a contest. spidey is an ass-wooper.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

seriously? not even a contest. spidey is an ass-wooper.

Spidey?????

Were talking about these two guys....
http://www.filmwad.com/ul/676-550x-Superman-v-Batman.jpg

http://www.illusiontv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/01714.jpg

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

seriously? not even a contest. spidey is an ass-wooper.

Spidey?????

Were talking about these two guys....
http://www.filmwad.com/ul/676-550x-Superman-v-Batman.jpg

http://www.illusiontv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/01714.jpg

Also if I remember correctly the only time Superman and Spider-Man went head to head Superman knocked Spider-Man clear across town with just the wind from the force of his punch. Keep in mind he didn't him it was just the wind from that punch.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Also if I remember correctly the only time Superman and Spider-Man went head to head Superman knocked Spider-Man clear across town with just the wind from the force of his punch. Keep in mind he didn't him it was just the wind from that punch.

I kind of remember that a bit differently [guess its time to break out the old book for memorys sake] but I still dont see how it pretains to the topic at hand.