The Dark Knight Batman's Competition in 2008

[mcflytrap]

Indy 4 will only work if we introduce a successor, with Indy in a fatherly mentor role. Harrison Ford is great, but he's too old to be doing all the stuff Indiana Jones does. I like the idea of Nathan Fillion as his son. Nathan Fillion is awesome.

Nathan Fillion annoys me. No thanks.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Indy will be the #1 film with a successor or not.

 

[StorminNorman]

Indy will be the #1 film with a successor or not.

No, it wont be. As a franchise the Batman Franchise is much more sellable than the Indiana Jones series right now - deal with it.

 

[Katsuro]

Nathan Fillion annoys me. No thanks.

Take that back and apologize. I demand it.

 

[Jack Napier]

I'm not exactly saying he can't do it, just that, even at his late age, I could see a 60-some year old Connery doing it more than Ford at the present.

If you see The Rock, Connery really doesn't do much. His stunt double does everything. Ford got thrown through a ****ing window in "Firewall". He takes quite a beating in that movie.

 

[Jack Napier]

As a franchise the Batman Franchise is much more saleable than the Indiana Jones series right now - deal with it.

Not so. People get nostalgiac for Indiana Jones. If you even mention that series at a party or whatever, there's bound to be someone there that'll say, "Oh, I LOVE Indiana Jones". People will flock to the fourth one.

Batman is recovering with BB. B&R was a travesty and lost the public's trust. BB won it back, but Indiana Jones was voted a more influential hero than James Bond by the AFI two years ago.

 

[StorminNorman]

Not so. People get nostalgiac for Indiana Jones. If you even mention that series at a party or whatever, there's bound to be someone there that'll say, "Oh, I LOVE Indiana Jones". People will flock to the fourth one.

Batman is recovering with BB. B&R was a travesty and lost the public's trust. BB won it back, but Indiana Jones was voted a more influential hero than James Bond by the AFI two years ago.

Yes - people are nostalgiac about the old Indiana Jones movies - however people will also be skeptical about a new Indiana Jones flick, a 65+ year old Jones is going to be a hard sale no matter what. Batman does not have this problem and is coming off a big hit - it will still be THE summer movie of 08.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Batman is totally sellable. He's so popular he doesn't need to be sold anymore especially after Batman Begins gave some cred back to the franchise. That's not the problem. The problem is in order to make an awesome batman flick it has to be mature themed and dark and violent like Batman Begins limiting the audience. The same problem but to a bigger extent happened to the Hulk but it was worse there because the film was more artsy and a study in Psychology then what people were expecting. In any event Indiana Jones's last adventure here won't be so dark and has a much bigger and broader viewing audience and Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones is a huge draw.

Indiana Jones will surpass 300 million in 2008 and likely be the only film to do so unless Narnia is superior to the first Narnia which was awesome.

 

[StorminNorman]

Batman is totally sellable. He's so popular he doesn't need to be sold anymore especially after Batman Begins gave some cred back to the franchise. That's not the problem. The problem is in order to make an awesome batman flick it has to be mature themed and dark and violent like Batman Begins limiting the audience.

Sorry but Batman Begins wasnt THAT mature of a movie that an 8 year old should not be allowed to see it - and there will never be a Batman movie that is TOO mature for an 8 year old. Parents will take their children to go see Batman - no matter if the rating is G, PG or PG-13 - it limits the aduience barely.

The same problem but to a bigger extent happened to the Hulk but it was worse there because the film was more artsy and a study in Psychology then what people were expecting.

That because the film was MARKETED as a fun action movie - if they promoted it as a deep film, it would of been accepted better (if only slightly better).

In any event Indiana Jones's last adventure here won't be so dark and has a much bigger and broader viewing audience and Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones is a huge draw.

Indiana Jones is no longer a huge movie franchise, especially by the new generation of movie gowers. It will be much harder to sell say an 8-15 year old to go see IJ over any Bat-flick. Harrison for as Jones IMO is not that big of a draw - the man (as stated over and over again) will be 65+ by the time the movie hits theaters - not exactly a big draw in an action flick.

Indiana Jones will surpass 300 million in 2008 and likely be the only film to do so unless Narnia is superior to the first Narnia which was awesome.

With fantastic reviews it MIGHT draw in near 300-315 Million, with decent reviews it will be around the 210 Million dollar mark, piss poor reviews and its looking < 200 Million.

Narnia was not awesome.

 

[Advanced Dark]

What? You'd take an 8 year old to see Batman Begins? I hope you don't have kids cause you shouldn't be allowed to have them. That's an adult themed film that's too dark for anyone under 13 and even some 13-15 year olds aren't mature enough to watch it.

 

[StorminNorman]

What? You'd take an 8 year old to see Batman Begins? I hope you don't have kids cause you shouldn't be allowed to have them. That's an adult themed film that's too dark for anyone under 13 and even some 13-15 year olds aren't mature enough to watch it.

Sorry but this film is not dark, violent movie. The Scarecrow mask scenes are a tad bit scary for a younger aged kid - but nothing horrible. The most violent scene I can think of is Batman bashing the guys head into the mirror as he takes a leak, but there was nothing obscene about that. Its Batman, its a Superhero - no matter how dark and adult themed the franchise gets it will always be a movie kids want to go see and a film that most parents will have no problems taking their kids to go see.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Ok. Sure Batman Begins wasn't dark or violent and is suitable for 8 year olds. That is just stupidity.

 

[StorminNorman]

^ Ok. Sure Batman Begins wasn't dark or violent and is suitable for 8 year olds. That is just stupidity.

Name one movie that is too mature for slightly younger audiences?

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Batman Begins

 

[StorminNorman]

^ Batman Begins

Excuse me - make that one scene.

 

[Advanced Dark]

The Prison Camp scene.
The scene of his final test when his vision is all f'd up.
The scenes when the scarecrow has the mask on.
The scene when Batman puts the mask on.
The scene where he goes into take care of the mob boss.

The whole movie is just too dark and violent for children that are 8 years old. It's too dark. There are parts of The Hulk which are just as dark if not darker when it comes to the killing of his mother and his father trying to kill him. The dog fight, etc...

 

[StorminNorman]

The Prison Camp scene.
The scene of his final test when his vision is all f'd up.
The scenes when the scarecrow has the mask on.
The scene when Batman puts the mask on.
The scene where he goes into take care of the mob boss.

The whole movie is just too dark and violent for children that are 8 years old. It's too dark. There are parts of The Hulk which are just as dark if not darker when it comes to the killing of his mother and his father trying to kill him. The dog fight, etc...

The Prison Camp scene? It was a simply fight - hell it was edited so you missed much of the actual asskicking.

The Scarecrow gas sequences were not all that scary - my 6 year old cousin has seen the film several times and is not frightened at all by these few scenes.

What is the scene where Batman "puts the mask on".

Batman TAS showed as much violence, hell I grew up on Power Rangers and every eposide consisted of some colored guy beating the crap out of another gray guy. Batman Begins has no bad language, no truly scare scenes, no gory violence, no over the top violence - as far as mature content goes its no worst than Spiderman - the story is just much more complex (and quite simpy better) than any of the Spiderman movies and the style is much darker (visually).

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I thought Tavolta was great. The only bad thing, I thought was Tampa and Puerto Rico. Wait, before you attack me, I am Puerto Rican......but the Castle family deaths happened in New York....and the whole Punisher thing mainly happens in New York.

As for Batman Begins being too dark for 8-year old.

Sorry, I don't think so. Batman Begins IS dark, and violent.......but not grotesque about it. Things in there kids will dig because it's Batman.

The story is certainly too sophisticated for 8-year olds, but I'm sure 8 out of 10 kids can handle watching Batman Begins. Most kids have seen far worse things.

 

[StorminNorman]

As for Batman Begins being too dark for 8-year old.

Sorry, I don't think so. Batman Begins IS dark, and violent.......but not grotesque about it. Things in there kids will dig because it's Batman.

The story is certainly too sophisticated for 8-year olds, but I'm sure 8 out of 10 kids can handle watching Batman Begins. Most kids have seen far worse things.

Thank you

 

[kytrigger]

I was 6 when Batman '89 came out and I loved all of it, and that is MUCH "darker" than Batman Begins was IMO. Saying BB was too dark for children would be like saying that X2 was too dark because of the Wolverine/Deathstryke fight scene and the fact that Mystique is naked the entire time. Or saying that Narnia is too dark because one of the children does indeed get stabbed and die (if only for a short while if I remember correctly, I only saw it once).

 

[MrFreeze101]

hey guys ok first of all i dont read Iron Man but for whoever said that Iron Man will do DD numbers that will not be true at all and yes Iron Man is a well knowen comic book character now as far as 2008 goes Iron Man i think will give Batman a run for his money now dont get me wrong i do not read Iron Man my Mate does and i have glanced at the comics they are good so there is alot of potential there Iron Man does not have to be Dark but in saying this before you guys flame me Batman is my favourite comic book character im loyal to him as long as the sequel does well which it should who cares they will probably not even realese them at the same time anyways that would be to unfiar for both Batman fans (US) and Iron man fans (Them)

 

[Cinemaman]

Well, I dont expect from IJ4 high numbers.

I think there is going to be another huge movie blockbuster, which will be #1.

And I think it is Avatar, because I doubt it will be next year, they will move release date to summer'08.

BB2 will be #2 or #3.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Matrix Reloaded was R rated and blew the BO wide open after the way the first one caught on,the same could happen with BB2
As for Indy IV,only a fool would count it out,if it looks good at trailer stage it will be a massive hit and nostalgia and the iconic nature of the character guarantee it big BO

 

[Mito88]

he has it all figured out, let the marvel fanboy think what he wants.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Matrix Reloaded was R rated and blew the BO wide open after the way the first one caught on,the same could happen with BB2
As for Indy IV,only a fool would count it out,if it looks good at trailer stage it will be a massive hit and nostalgia and the iconic nature of the character guarantee it big BO

Exactly. There aren't many film characters (created for film) that have reached the level of Indiana Jones. In fact I don't think there are any with a live actor anyways.