Baywatch: The movie! - Part 1

[Warhammer]

You clearly have never followed Doctor Who. The Rock might not survive a season of filming that .

When do you think he filmed these movies exactly? He filmed Fast 8 and Baywatch in the first half of last year, mainly as he isn't the focus of the Fast series. He then filmed Jumanji in the Fall. Probably filmed Ballers earlier this year. He has one film scheduled for next year, Rampage. It is filming now.

I get being a fan of the Rock, I am. But you said something rather ridiculous. He isn't making the Machinist. He isn't doing Broadway. He is being the Rock in a lot of movies. Which is a lot of fun to watch, but come on. He isn't out there making the Lord of the Rings. Filming Baywatch and Jumanji aren't going to wreck him. He isn't Benedict Cumberbatch, doing so much work on film, television, and stage, that they literally have to wait multiple years to make new seasons of Sherlock.

Dude, I made one comment based on volume of work. And you are going full attack mode. Calm down.

You are right. Losing 30m-40m on a movie, totally not a bomb.

With home video sales, with even 10 million, that's not a bomb. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I said bomb. Why are you trying to prove me wrong? You're just salty as hell this Sunday morning.

You are right. Losing 30m-40m on a movie, totally not a bomb.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Dude, I made one comment based on volume of work. And you are going full attack mode. Calm down.

This is not attack mode. This is pointing out the flaws in your logic.

 

[Warhammer]

This is not attack mode. This is pointing out the flaws in your logic.

All these flavors out here and you chose salty. Never quit doing you, Darth. It isn't the first and won't be the last.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

With home video sales, with even 10 million, that's not a bomb. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

Because that is wrong.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hercules2014.htm

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Hercules-(2014)#tab=summary

The movie made 72m domestically. They get on average 50-55% of that take. Give them 55%. That 40m. On average they get about 30% of overseas take (in China it is like 15%). That is 52m. They made 17m on home media.

I am not sure of the distribution deal overseas for Paramount, but say they didn't have to do P&A overseas. Say they just did it in the US and Canada. As this is a 100m dollar film, that is 50m at least. Even the Fantastic Four and Power Rangers did that.

They made 109m on a movie they spent at least 150m on. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[MadVillainy]

some of y'all

 

[DarthSkywalker]

some of y'all

I just watched Sebastian Vettel win Monaco. I feel good.

 

[Warhammer]

Because that is wrong.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hercules2014.htm

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Hercules-(2014)#tab=summary

The movie made 72m domestically. They get on average 50-55% of that take. Give them 55%. That 40m. On average they get about 30% of overseas take (in China it is like 15%). That is 52m. They made 17m on home media.

I am not sure of the distribution deal overseas for Paramount, but say they didn't have to do P&A overseas. Say they just did it in the US and Canada. As this is a 100m dollar film, that is 50m at least. Even the Fantastic Four and Power Rangers did that.

They made 109m on a movie they spent at least 150m on. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Yeah, it is hard to comprehend. Unless you are a Hollywood insider, you don't know those percentages well enough to base an argument off of them. I went off of the whole 2x the reported (which can honestly be over by who knows how much) production budget worldwide plus a random estimate $___ for marketing.

Man, who knew one sentence would throw me into a one page argument? You have to be a troll because I took the bait so easily.

 

[Warhammer]

some of y'all

Tell me about it. One sentence did this. One sentence.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

https://***********/ERCboxoffice/status/868849561007038464

Exhibitors Relations
@ERCboxoffice

Fade to sunset. Paramount's BAYWATCH washed ashore with just $18M this weekend, $22M for the extended weekend.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, it is hard to comprehend. Unless you are a Hollywood insider, you don't know those percentages well enough to base an argument off of them. I went off of the whole 2x the reported (which can honestly be over by who knows how much) production budget worldwide plus a random estimate $___ for marketing.

Man, who knew one sentence would throw me into a one page argument? You have to be a troll because I took the bait so easily.

I don't need to be Hollywood Insider. This stuff has been out of years:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

P&A:

There's a lot more, although studios are loath to give out numbers. The studios seldom release accurate production budgets — and they're even more leery of revealing how much they spend on other stuff, like promotion.

According to Contrino, the Print & Advertising (P&A) costs of a movie can be incredibly high — for a small $20 million film, the promotional budget can be higher than the production budget. That's because those films are often romantic comedies or kids' movies, which are cheap to make but still need a lot of promotion. For a film which cost between $35 and $75 million to make, the P&A budget will most likely be at least half the production budget. And the numbers only go up with bigger films. "If the studio spends a lot on the budget, they're going to want to protect that investment by advertising it heavily," says Contrino.

Case in point: Megamind cost between $130 million and $145 to make (depending on what source you believe.) But the P&A budget, or the cost of promoting the film, is estimated to be an additional $65 million, according to Contrino.

Domestic:

The percentage of revenues that the exhibitor takes in depends on the individual contract for that film — which in turn depends on how much muscle the distributor has, according to Stone.

These deals often protect the theaters from movies that bomb at the box office by giving the theaters a bigger cut of those films. So if a film only makes $10 million at the box office, the distributor will get only 45 percent of that money. But if a film makes $300 million at the box office, then the distributor gets up to 60 percent of that money.

You can actually look at the securities filings for the big theater chains, to look at how much of their ticket revenues go back to the studios, points out Stone. So for example, the latest quarterly filing by Cinemark Holdings, shows that 54.5 percent of its ticket revenues went to the distributors. So as a ballpark figure, studios generally take in around 50-55 percent of U.S. box office money.

Overseas:

The highest profile example of a film that bombed in the U.S. but made tons of money overseas was The Chronicles of Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader, which made only about $100 million domestically but made about $270 million overseas. And a similar thing happened with the previous Narnia movie, Prince Caspian. Another big film that made way more money overseas than domestically was Terminator Salvation.

So if a film does incredibly well overseas but flops in the U.S., does that make it a hit? As with everything else to do with box office, the answer is "it depends." But generally, domestic revenue seems to be be better for studios than overseas revenue, because the studios take a bigger cut of domestic revenue.

According to the book The Hollywood Economist by Edward Jay Epstein, studios take in about 40 percent of the revenue from overseas release — and after expenses, they're lucky if they take in 15 percent of that number.

Tell me about it. One sentence did this. One sentence.

What is all of this? You say he is the "hardest working actor". I point out it isn't true. Show examples of it. You say Hercules didn't bomb. I show the numbers.

If you don't want this to continue, you can just let the numbers speak for themselves. But now you want to whine because I showed it.

 

[MadVillainy]

Anywaaaaay.

https://***********/ERCboxoffice/status/868849561007038464

Damn that's way worse then predictions. The trailer seemed to get some good buzz

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Damn that's way worse then predictions. The trailer seemed to get some good buzz

What good buzz did the trailers generate? Serious question. I assumed this was going to do better because of the Rock and Efron, so I just thought things were going well. Was there hype?

 

[harlequinade]

Anywaaaaay.



Damn that's way worse then predictions. The trailer seemed to get some good buzz

Oh man I cannot wait for more of Dwayne's tweets about economics.

 

[Warhammer]

I don't need to be Hollywood Insider. This stuff has been out of years:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

What is all of this? You say he is the "hardest working actor". I point out it isn't true. Show examples of it. You say Hercules didn't bomb. I show the numbers.

If you don't want this to continue, you can just let the numbers speak for themselves. But now you want to whine because I showed it.

It was a good read. I used the most general, sweeping rule of thumb for box office prediction that most people use. You say my logic is flawed but you present an argument based on numbers and percentages that you don't know.

I said a sentence based on volume of work released in 2017. You said "but he's no Christian Bale or Benedict Cumberbatch".

 

[TheVileOne]

Anywaaaaay.



Damn that's way worse then predictions. The trailer seemed to get some good buzz

But Rock, critics were out of step with audiences! Audiences loved it!

https://***********/TheRock/status/867944206005829632

 

[chamber-music]

Efron is almost 29. He's not like High School Musical age anymore. But I dunno. It wouldn't surprise me if some Hollywood actors are on the gear to look really cut for some of their roles.

Another reason he could look older is that Efron has had battles with alcohol and substance abuse. That takes its toll on the body as well.

Also not all steroids will make you look really jacked. Some will make you look really cut or toned or whatever.

I've not seen the movie but perhaps Efron was doing the crazy dehydration diet that Hugh Jackman did for Logan

Recently, Hugh Jackman was the guest on The Graham Norton Show along with Patrick Stewart and Sir Ian McKellen. The actor was on the show to talk about his the upcoming X-Men movie Logan, where he will be playing the clawed mutant for the last time. The actor has played the role of Wolverine since 2000. In the episode of the show, when the host Graham asked Hugh to describe the build up to the day he had to shoot a shirtless scene for the movie

The actor said that for a perfect body, he was following a method called dehydration. As per the actor, you can lose around 10 pounds or 4.5 kilos of weight by this method. You will lose the water from under the surface of your skin. To lose weight by this method, you will have to drink a lot of water and then stop drinking water completely. So, as your body is used to urinate a lot due to drinking of water, you will continue urinating even without drinking any water. The food you will eat will also suck the water from your body. This will cause the body to lose water and bring down the weight. The actor drank about 10 liters of water a day and then stopped drinking it 30 hours before the shoot. So, for the next 10 hours, he was urinating frequently.

However the actor has warned against trying this method without supervision as it is not very healthy. It leads to side effects like headache among other things. He also mentioned that he was eating a meal consisting of steamed chicken and broccoli every two hours to maintain his toned body. He was eating a total of 6500 calories a day.

http://www.india.com/lifestyle/hugh...t-behind-his-sculpted-wolverine-body-1876898/

I think this will just bring up "90s failures" with this and Power Rangers flopping.

I grew up in the 90's and I don't have much interest in seeing tv shows adapted to movies from that period.

 

[MadVillainy]

But Rock, critics were out of step with audiences! Audiences loved it!

https://***********/TheRock/status/867944206005829632

Damn

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is Rotten Tomatoes fault!!!!!!!!!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It was a good read. I used the most general, sweeping rule of thumb for box office prediction that most people use. You say my logic is flawed but you present an argument based on numbers and percentages that you don't know.

I said a sentence based on volume of work released in 2017. You said "but he's no Christian Bale or Benedict Cumberbatch".

I gave the movie the benefit of the doubt in each number. It still lose tens of millions of dollars.

Your said he was the hardest working actor based on volume of work. I showed how that was a flawed logic both in terms of his work load in comparison to others and the actual depth and time spent on these roles.

 

[Warhammer]

 

[Chesterfield]

The Rock's kickback against critics has ensured his stay with the DCEU. Looks like we could get that black Adam movie sooner than expected lol

 

[TheVileOne]

This was epic, thanks.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This your metaphorical burial?

 

[TheVileOne]

This is Rotten Tomatoes fault!!!!!!!!!

It's always our fault as critics! It's our fault and not the people who made a ****** movie!