Because I'm tired of this **** - Goku vs. Superman - The end of all polls

[Warhammer]

ok, well put it like this...if it were a tournament and it was a one on one with no outside interference(sun,spirit bomb) and its was ssj4or3 goku vs pre or post who would win the battle?

What the heck are you talking about?

Superman gets his power from the sun.
Our yellow sun gives him strength, speed, etc.
Without it, he's just a normal man.

The sun isn't cheating and isn't outside interference, or else he isn't Superman.
That's just like calling Gotenks, Vegito, or Gogeta cheaters because they are fusions.

 

[Warhammer]

It doesnt matter what superman does he has no shot at hell in beating goku

muten roshi >>> superman prime

dont make me ether anyone with that fiya truth

First of all, I didn't say anything about Superman or Goku winning the fight. I was talking about Superman "cheating".
Never quote me, unless you have something to say about my quoted post, ever again.

 

[hulkamania85]

I can make it end

did... did you just invoke Hulk Hogan?

We have people arguing over which fictional character would win a fight. I think including the Hulk Hogan theory of fighting is pretty justified in this case. If push came to shove Superman would probably implement a similar fighting strategy, to throw Goku off guard and have him believe that he has the upper hand. Then Superman rises up, does the finger point, waves his finger "no", and starts to pummel Goku with right hands, followed by a big boot, then the atomic leg drop. No one gets up from the atomic leg drop. Not even a Super duper saiyan.

 

[Warhammer]

I can make it end

You should.
There will never be a winner.

 

[Gotenks]

nah i dont play them type games but i got that from i forget which movie against android 13 when he absorbed the spiritbomb at ssj1....

Oh
Well Goku does that in Budokai 3.
So i thought you got it from there.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

What the heck are you talking about?

Superman gets his power from the sun.
Our yellow sun gives him strength, speed, etc.
Without it, he's just a normal man.

The sun isn't cheating and isn't outside interference, or else he isn't Superman.
That's just like calling Gotenks, Vegito, or Gogeta cheaters because they are fusions.

gogeta and others , you are right is like a form of cheating...superman living or even dipping in the sun is another(because hes getting more powerful at a greater rate then if he wasnt near the sun).... and just like training gives goku power.and the sun to superman .with out it, he wouldnt be ssj.and vice versa ...but if he is allowed to dip right into the sun..then they should allow goku to train to get an equal energy boost.....or hit him the the brute ray while hes already at ssj4 or do fusion

 

[Warhammer]

gogeta and others , you are right is like a form of cheating...superman living or even dipping in the sun is another(because hes getting more powerful at a greater rate then if he wasnt near the sun).... and just like training gives goku power.and the sun to superman .with out it, he wouldnt be ssj.and vice versa ...but if he is allowed to dip right into the sun..then they should allow goku to train to get an equal energy boost.....or hit him the the brute ray while hes already at ssj4 or do fusion

Ohhhhhh, gotcha.
Well, this isn't Goku vs. Sun-dipped Superman.
It's Goku vs. Superman.

Superman wouldn't fight Goku and say "This is enough...", and then fly towards the sun, then come back and say, "Ok, I'm ready now"

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Ohhhhhh, gotcha.
Well, this isn't Goku vs. Sun-dipped Superman.
It's Goku vs. Superman.

Superman wouldn't fight Goku and say "This is enough...", and then fly towards the sun, then come back and say, "Ok, I'm ready now"

well then superman would lose for sure...goku is far more powerful..

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

if u give friesa that much power,that must give mystic gohan(who killed friesa in one punch ) a level of arond 1billion?

Those level was not randomly made up.
We all know Gokou fought Fruiza almost equally, before the 50 precent and KaiOken10 power-up.
Those levels made up by red-five is trash, seriosly... chibi Boo 500,000,000... he's supose to be the 2nd weakest boo.
Shin Boo would trash him in a matter of sec's.

And I now got proof, that they don't fight in SoL.
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume41/Db41ch13/411310.gif
If Boo had 10 sec's and had light-speed he would locate and kill Dende, no...

 

[D.Rex]

[Quote:dnno1] Supes shoots a beam of low-intensity Heat Vision at the Moon. People in the watch tower was blinded except for Plastic Man cause sense he had shades on. The Moon is very far from Earth, this shows the range Supes Heat Vision has.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9...vision24vv.jpg [Quote:dnno1]

Krypto is by far the coolest dog in comic books. That is one awesome dog.

 

[Warhammer]

^Yeah right.
Bathound is so much better.

Just Kidding.

 

[dnno1]

Ohhhhhh, gotcha.
Well, this isn't Goku vs. Sun-dipped Superman.
It's Goku vs. Superman.

Superman wouldn't fight Goku and say "This is enough...", and then fly towards the sun, then come back and say, "Ok, I'm ready now"

If your guys are going to place rules here and say that superman can't power up, the same should go for Goku. He shouldn't be allowed to power up, which would mean that he couldn't go to any of his SSj levels and then it would be a massacre. Look guys, even at SSJ4 Superman is stronger than Goku. Remember that an non Sun-dipped Superman can escape from a Black hole. Heck, he has even held a black hole in his hands. Goku loses at any level.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

If your guys are going to place rules here and say that superman can't power up, the same should go for Goku. He shouldn't be allowed to power up, which would mean that he couldn't go to any of his SSj levels and then it would be a massacre. Look guys, even at SSJ4 Superman is stronger than Goku. Remember that an non Sun-dipped Superman can escape from a Black hole. Heck, he has even held a black hole in his hands. Goku loses at any level.

SUPERMANS POWER IS THE SAME AT ALL TIME...USING THE SUN ISNT POWERING UP BECAUSE ITS NOT APART OF HIS BODY..IF HE COULD HARNESS THE POWER OF THE SUN INSIDE HIM THEN USE IT , THEN THATS ANOTHER STORY...GOKU IS USING HIS OWN POWER THAT HE WORKED TO ACHIEVE..... FUSION IS TO GOKU AS SUN DIP IS TO SUPERMAN....PLUS AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN GOKU'S STRENGHT "MAY" NOT BE AS MUCHS AS SUPES, BUT GOKU'S POWER IS EQUAL/GREATER THAN SUPES...PLUS BASE GOKU CAN ESCAPE A BLACK HOLE AS WELL(i.t) AND HOW DO U HOLD A BLACK HOLE OPEN WITH YOUR HANDS? I BET SUPERMAN WOULD GET KILLED BY BEBI VEGETA'S REVENGE DEATH BALL

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Those level was not randomly made up.
We all know Gokou fought Fruiza almost equally, before the 50 precent and KaiOken10 power-up.
Those levels made up by red-five is trash, seriosly... chibi Boo 500,000,000... he's supose to be the 2nd weakest boo.
Shin Boo would trash him in a matter of sec's.

And I now got proof, that they don't fight in SoL.
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume41/Db41ch13/411310.gif
If Boo had 10 sec's and had light-speed he would locate and kill Dende, no...

HE NEEDED TO LOCATE DENDE FIRST...AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED....BUU WOULD HAVE TO TRY VERY HARD TO LOCATE A POWERLEVEL AS LOW AS DENDE'S FIRST OFF..THATS ALL THE TIME RIGHT THERE..GETTING TO IT WOULD BE THE EASY PART.... MUST I SAY AGAIN THAT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF DBZ THE CHARACTERS HAVE BEEN DODGEING ENERGY BEAMS THAT HAVE REACHED THE MOON IN SECONDS AT POINT BLANK RANGE? THEY CAN EVEN LEAVE MULTIPULE AFTER IMAGES THAT LOOK SOLID TO THE SSJ EYE(NOT HUMAN).

 

[dnno1]

SUPERMANS POWER IS THE SAME AT ALL TIME...USING THE SUN ISNT POWERING UP BECAUSE ITS NOT APART OF HIS BODY..IF HE COULD HARNESS THE POWER OF THE SUN INSIDE HIM THEN USE IT , THEN THATS ANOTHER STORY...GOKU IS USING HIS OWN POWER THAT HE WORKED TO ACHIEVE..... FUSION IS TO GOKU AS SUN DIP IS TO SUPERMAN....PLUS AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN GOKU'S STRENGHT "MAY" NOT BE AS MUCHS AS SUPES, BUT GOKU'S POWER IS EQUAL/GREATER THAN SUPES...PLUS BASE GOKU CAN ESCAPE A BLACK HOLE AS WELL(i.t) AND HOW DO U HOLD A BLACK HOLE OPEN WITH YOUR HANDS? I BET SUPERMAN WOULD GET KILLED BY BEBI VEGETA'S REVENGE DEATH BALL

Not true. According to Wikipedia.org, Superman has certain self imposed mental blocks that prevent him from using his powers at their fullest. This is to avoid him from destroying the Earth. If he were unencumbered by these blocks, accordign to Joe Casey (and other writers) whe would be unbeatable. Like I have said before, Superman is always holding back inspite what you may have read in the past and it it the result of the mental blocks that he has placed on himself.

 

[Hades]

Goku would so win. He'd just liek totally impale superman with his admantium hair LOLOLOLOLOL kthcx ttyl

 

[Tsunulia]

BWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When Goku goes SS3..........I'd believe that

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

HE NEEDED TO LOCATE DENDE FIRST...AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED....BUU WOULD HAVE TO TRY VERY HARD TO LOCATE A POWERLEVEL AS LOW AS DENDE'S FIRST OFF..THATS ALL THE TIME RIGHT THERE..GETTING TO IT WOULD BE THE EASY PART.... MUST I SAY AGAIN THAT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF DBZ THE CHARACTERS HAVE BEEN DODGEING ENERGY BEAMS THAT HAVE REACHED THE MOON IN SECONDS AT POINT BLANK RANGE? THEY CAN EVEN LEAVE MULTIPULE AFTER IMAGES THAT LOOK SOLID TO THE SSJ EYE(NOT HUMAN).

Gokou lockaed Bejiita whithin the 5 second's Buu-han, gave him to fuse.
And shin Boo I is far better than Gokou ever was in the manga.

BtW. you don't know how long it took for the beam's, ray's. to reach space, since there aint stated. pure speculation

And I've already countered that with Buu's destroying enviorment by flyging pass them.

DBZ-SoS
Supes-SoL

Gokou would easiley die by 1 punch.
And he's too slow to dodge it.

 

[Guyverjay]

Gokou lockaed Bejiita whithin the 5 second's Buu-han, gave him to fuse.
And shin Boo I is far better than Gokou ever was in the manga.

Wow you are comparing Vegeta power level to Dende's?

BtW. you don't know how long it took for the beam's, ray's. to reach space, since there aint stated. pure speculation

No it isn't, the moon was destroyed in an instant. the beam would have to be traveling faster than light to achieve that

And I've already countered that with Buu's destroying enviorment by flyging pass them.

DBZ-SoS
Supes-SoL

Gokou would easily die by 1 punch.
And he's too slow to dodge it.

You're too slow to actually make a convincing argument

Ps Torayama himself has aid that SSJs go faster than light. Try reading his interviews some time

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

You're too slow to actually make a convincing argument

Ps Torayama himself has aid that SSJs go faster than light. Try reading his interviews some time

Then why don't you link me one, I link proof in every post I can.
Well, I await it....

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

You're too slow to actually make a convincing argument

Ps Torayama himself has aid that SSJs go faster than light. Try reading his interviews some time

Besides... Boo located every human on earth within 10 sec's and killed them all... you're comparing Dende to a human wow...

Toriyama don't know the distant to the moon, nor the statosphere.

 

[Guyverjay]

Then why don't you link me one, I link proof in every post I can.
Well, I await it....

You gonna "await" a very long time since I don't have a link to an interview I read over a year ago

Besides... Boo located every human on earth within 10 sec's and killed them all... you're comparing Dende to a human wow...

LOL yeah I can see how locating humans who mostly live together in giant cities (who also happen to also be the planets main species) from a lookout that is above the clouds would be really difficult I mean after all its very easy to miss a species that runs into the billions after all

Besides did Buu even know Dende was alive?

Btw Krllyn is human as well

Toriyama don't know the distant to the moon, nor the statosphere.

How is that relevent or even provable?

 

[Warhammer]

If your guys are going to place rules here and say that superman can't power up, the same should go for Goku. He shouldn't be allowed to power up, which would mean that he couldn't go to any of his SSj levels and then it would be a massacre. Look guys, even at SSJ4 Superman is stronger than Goku. Remember that an non Sun-dipped Superman can escape from a Black hole. Heck, he has even held a black hole in his hands. Goku loses at any level.

I like the sound of that.
Superman>Goku.

 

[Guyverjay]

I like the sound of that.
Superman>Goku.

You know that's garbage, Goku increasing his level is

1)A normal established part of Gokus power, thats like me saying Superman isn't allowed to fly. Sun dipping requires LEAVING the battlefield AND is NOT something Superman normally does. Infact he's only done it ONCE that I can think of while he already had super powers. ie Superman does not go off to fly into the sun every time a tough battle comes along. Its actually quite dangerous for him

2)Goku could destroy the sun...if he wanted to

That said this really is a daft comparison if you who look at it objectively (strange coming me as I've argued this subject many a time). The characters are too different to be compared fairly

 

[Warhammer]

You know that's garbage, Goku increasing his level is

1)A normal established part of Gokus power, thats like me saying Superman isn't allowed to fly. Sun dipping requires LEAVING the battlefield AND is NOT something Superman normally does. Infact he's only done it ONCE that I can think of while he already had super powers. ie Superman does not go off to fly into the sun every time a tough battle comes along. Its actually quite dangerous for him

2)Goku could destroy the sun...if he wanted to

That said this really is a daft comparison if you who look at it objectively (strange coming me as I've argued this subject many a time). The characters are too different to be compared fairly

I already know everything that you just typed.
I do agree with the last part.