Superman Returns Before SR came out, did you want a restart?

[mego joe]

With all the discussion on the Donnerverse Superman and it's relation to SR, I was wondering if people wanted a sequel to those Superman films or if they wanted a fresh start. Think back to when Singer was first announced as the director, did you want a fresh start and reboot of the Superman movie franchise, or did you want the movie to be a sequel or at least connected to the Donner films?

I wanted a complete fresh start that was rooted in contemporary comics, unrelated to any other cinematic or T.V. Superman series.

 

[bunk]

I too wanted a complete restart. It always bothered me knowing that the majority of the general public only knew about Superman through the Donnerverse. I'm glad they know Christopher Reeve as Superman in appearance and character but, there is so much more they missed out on because of omission or poor representation(no offense to Donner). Singer still managed to rectify some of it, but not even close to what he could have had he restarted the franchize.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

I just wanted a film that stayed true to who Superman was. Abrams, Burton and the lot that were on the project before Singer just didn't get it in my opinion. However, I feel Singer did understand and love the Man of Steel. He may have drawn from Donner's film moreso than the comics or television shows, but he did so because he felt that you simply couldn't top Donner's origin story (which I agree with). Now that he's paid his tribute to Donner in SR and given us new characters and an evolution of Superman's character, he'll be able to move on and do his thing, which I'm sure will have even more passion.

 

[batman44]

yep.

 

[dude stannis]

I actually wanted a sequel to II (When I first read that that's what the Salkinds wanted the idea stuck in my head).

Also I wanted a sequel to Batman Returns ignoring Schumacer entries. Though Begins worked out perfectly.

Besides, everyone and their Grandmother's great Grandparents knows Superman's origins. It would've been pointless to do.

 

[dark_b]

i didnt want a restart because i knew that then there woudlnt be a lot of action ....guess what.

 

[afan]

I never felt it was nesessary to spend a great deal of film time on the origin, as it's story is fairly well known. Perhaps even beginning the film ala the Fleischer cartoons or the George Reeves Adventures of Superman, with a brief but dynamic narration could suffice. So if a restart concept mandates an exhaustive origin, then no restart for me.

However a fresh tho not unprecedented approach would be desirable.

I would prefer to see the relationship of Clark / Lois / Superman forever be one of clever sexual innuendo(the interview in STM being the perfect example) and not an over the top romantic relationship. The films focussing more on the Adventurous Superman than the Amorous Superman. This could be accomplished while still using the Donner films as a literal history; no ambiguity needed.

 

[X Knight]

yes, I wanted a restart, ala Batman Begins. A new vision to take the franchise in a new direction, yet remaining true to the character source.

a new start for a new generation of fans......

 

[Dr. Fate]

I wanted a fresh start, new continuity, like Batman Begins.

 

[Brainiac 2009]

I wanted a restart but not an origins story. The origin has been done to death.

I wanted a film with the character already established like Batman 1989 but had flashbacks to his past.

I definately didnt want an origin that reinvents practically everything about the character; *cough* JJ Abrams, McG

 

[Kid_Kaos]

I'd prefer a restart without much Krypton origin, at least not in the first movie. I certainly never would like to see the whole Krypton stuff Donner did again. It's redundant anyway. It has more impact to the viewer to watch it with Clark for the first time instead of knowing anything right away. I also wouldn't go with the 'explosion' story, I'd prefer Darkseid to take over the planet, leaving Clark & Kara being the only survivors. That way, you already have the main villain for the final movie.

In my vision Clark discovers the FoS and sees the message from his peeps, short and sweet and then Brainiac tells him the rest like in the S:TAS.
But the whole start of Clark being Superman should happen BEFORE that. The POV should allways be on (the human side) Clark, desperately wanting to help mankind and suffering by doing so. Save the FoS for a 2nd or 3rd movie when some weirdo alien is coming, so we can get introduced to the main characters (Clark, (Lana), Martha, John, Lois, Jimmy, Perry) right from the beginning. That way there can be an actual story, like in BBegins, with informations about the characters and Clarks powers during it.

The problem with Supes is, that his origin is too long to tell in just one movie. Either Clark or Superman would be just sort of a cameo, like in STM and SR, and if there's anything that needs to be fixed it's the whole meaning of the Clark character.

Clark > Superman

 

[DorkyFresh]

i like SR, but i have to admit that before Singer introduced the idea of a semi-sequel i wanted an origin tale (ala Spider-Man, Batman, etc...)

 

[mego joe]

But the whole start of Clark being Superman should happen BEFORE that. The POV should allways be on (the human side) Clark, desperately wanting to help mankind and suffering by doing so. Save the FoS for a 2nd or 3rd movie when some weirdo alien is coming, so we can get introduced to the main characters (Clark, (Lana), Martha, John, Lois, Jimmy, Perry) right from the beginning. That way there can be an actual story, like in BBegins, with informations about the characters and Clarks powers during it.

The problem with Supes is, that his origin is too long to tell in just one movie. Either Clark or Superman would be just sort of a cameo, like in STM and SR, and if there's anything that needs to be fixed it's the whole meaning of the Clark character.

Clark > Superman

There you go. How about a Superman origin focussing on Clark's decision to become Superman b/c he is a good person guided by good human parents, not following Donner's version of Jor-El mandating what Clark do. That is the part of Donner's origin that's always been a problem for me. Being Superman should be Clark and his parent's idea, not Jor-El's. That's the way it's always been in the comics, why not for the movie.

 

[X Knight]

I wanted to see that too........

sadly.....we may never see something like that on the big screen.......or at least......not for a very, very long time......

 

[Showtime]

I assumed if there was ever a Superman movie it wouldn't be a continuation of the previous films, but it would be potrayed as if Superman has been entrenched into society. It wouldnt be a sequel, and it wouldn't be a re-origin.

 

[afan]

But the whole start of Clark being Superman should happen BEFORE that. The POV should allways be on (the human side) Clark, desperately wanting to help mankind and suffering by doing so.

Not sure what "suffering" would involve. The Superman I know would not suffer because of his philanthropy. It is the correct path and should never inflict pain.

 

[bunk]

I assumed if there was ever a Superman movie it wouldn't be a continuation of the previous films, but it would be potrayed as if Superman has been entrenched into society. It wouldnt be a sequel, and it wouldn't be a re-origin.

This is what I thought it'd be from all the scripts that were developed over the years. Maybe a story where Clark and Lois are married or about to be and Lex has managed to elevate his place in society ect. You'd have to be very careful to make it clear to moviegoers that it's not a continuation of the Reeve movies.

 

[lexlives]

I wanted a restart/reboot. But not the origin story. A start with Clark/Superman in his early career in Metropolis. Too many assume reboot = origin story. It can of course, but does not have to.

SR was like an end of trilogy film. Not the start. By that I mean lots of potential directions and s/l(s) are precluded now given SR.

For instance - Superman with another potential love interest. Lana. We can't see that now. Jason also forces Superman to keep coming back to his son and spending time with him, That takes away from focus on non-Jason characters I would liked to have seen. Lana for starters. Or Emil, or Inspector Henderson.

Batman can go anywhere now with the BB start but Superman's possibilites are more constrained because of SR. That makes for a less interesting franchise IMO.

 

[El Payaso]

I always HATED the Donnerverse vague sequel thing. Until I saw the moivie and changed my mind.

That said, I would loved a fresh re-start as far from the previous versions as possible. Maybe even far from the comic version. Not even Peters and Burton's more than weird ideas ever scared me because there always would have been the Donner movies to show us the 'official' version.

That said, I am very happy the way Singer did it.

 

[punxnotdead]

For those that have never watched the eariler superman movies would have liked a fresh new start, however, people who have seen the eariler ones probably wouldn't have liked it. My mom avoided watching it because she thought it was a remake, until I showed it to her...So I think going with the direction they have chosen is the best for the film. Just my opinion.

 

[mego joe]

I always HATED the Donnerverse vague sequel thing. Until I saw the moivie and changed my mind.

That said, I would loved a fresh re-start as far from the previous versions as possible. Maybe even far from the comic version. Not even Peters and Burton's more than weird ideas ever scared me because there always would have been the Donner movies to show us the 'official' version.

That said, I am very happy the way Singer did it.

Not trying to stir up trouble, but I think Donner's version while good is far from the 'official' version.

 

[El Payaso]

That's why I put the word with ""

 

[mego joe]

For those that have never watched the eariler superman movies would have liked a fresh new start, however, people who have seen the eariler ones probably wouldn't have liked it. My mom avoided watching it because she thought it was a remake, until I showed it to her...So I think going with the direction they have chosen is the best for the film. Just my opinion.

I really think we are over estimating the impact of those films. A great restart would not have bothered fans of the Donner films, I think. Unless you are speaking from a personal POV. Are you? A fresh start doesn't have to be a re-make. I think that Singer proved he could re-make Superman The Movie with without rebooting the franchise, so I would guess that someone with a little creativity could reboot w/o a remake. After all, Donner did get Clark's reason for becoming Superman completely wrong in Superman The movie after all.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I wanted a restart but do like SR quite a bit. I hope when the Singer era ends we get a new start though What I would love is a good 20 minutes of Jor-el on Krypton showing the city environment and everything detailing the moments up till the destruction.

 

[patrickbateman]

after BATMAN BEGINS I wanted SUPERMAN Begins in consultation with NOlan so we could someday do a cross over