Ben Affleck To Team With DC’s Geoff Johns On Standalone ‘Batman’ Film - Part 1

[Micromind]

Spider-man has over double the yearly merchandise sales of any superhero, comfortably putting him at the top of the list.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/superhero-earns-13-billion-a-748281

This article was written in 2014, so unless something has drastically changed then I think Spider-man still holds the title.

In terms of money made from merch sales. But does it reflect the wide fanbse ?

Nah. Batman's bigger. Movie profits, comic sales, merchandise sales.

Exactly,overall Batman has the edge.
How much did the last Spidey film earn ?

 

[Flint Marko]

In terms of money made from merch sales. But does it reflect the wide fanbse ?

This isn't the proper section for this obviously, but merch sales paint a pretty solid picture especially when the difference between the two numbers is so vast.

Exactly,overall Batman has the edge.
How much did the last Spidey film earn ?

Batman has 7 movies (not including Mask of the Phantasm and the '66 movie) to Spider-man's 5, and the last Spider-man film sucked so hard it killed that franchise.

Do you think this reflects the wide fanbase?

I'd recommend we take this to the proper thread:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=34684159#post34684159

 

[FunkMiller]

Okay, so merchandising not so much it appears, but culturally Batman's reach exceeds Spider-man's. He's the most recognisable comic book character in the world.

But anyway, back on topic... Has Affleck given any more interviews today? Maybe he plans on directing The Batman with a bucket on his head now?

 

[hellblazer103]

In regards to all the Batman vs Spider-Man crap that's suddenly going on :

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[dhandler01]

I notice the "BATMAN IS DOOMED!!1!1!" crowd has calmed down since Affleck again said he is making the movie.

edit: Ben Affleck Says it Best

 

[Ghost_Rider]

Depends of what you mean by "vanity project". I mean such a notion would beg the question of whether or not taking on a project out of fandom for the material along with handling more than one part of the workload is inherently a vanity project.

I mean at this point, Affleck seems to have shown he's a fan of the books by this author and wanted to direct movies based around them and whether or not his talents were suited for it is up for debate.

With Batman though, only time will tell but based on the reception of his performance as Batman I wouldn't go saying this is him going out of his reach/depth to try and pull off something he isn't capable of.

I personally would say he's more than capable but again that's all Debatable at this stage

I mean the project is driven by Affleck's ego. A lot of controversial decisions made on Live By Night supposedly came from that place. Like how he didn't want his character to be portrayed as a 'villain' and how he wrote himself into every scene.

 

[misslane38]

I mean the project is driven by Affleck's ego. A lot of controversial decisions made on Live By Night supposedly came from that place. Like how he didn't want his character to be portrayed as a 'villain' and how he wrote himself into every scene.

Have you read the book? Do you know if his character is a villain or more of an anti-hero or someone the narrative originally depicts as sympathetic in some ways rather than the pure black and white distinction between hero and villain? Do you know if the character is present in most of the novel's key scenes, therefore requiring that the character appear in most scenes in the film's adaptation? Is it an exaggeration, even, that Affleck is literally in every scene of Live By Night? In other words, what makes you so confident in your assessment?

 

[Greens]

I notice the "BATMAN IS DOOMED!!1!1!" crowd has calmed down since Affleck again said he is making the movie.

edit: Ben Affleck Says it Best

I like it. Direct.

 

[TheVileOne]

If it bothers Ben Affleck that much, he should quit .

 

[Patchwork Man]

Maybe he plans on directing The Batman with a bucket on his head now?

 

[dhandler01]

If it bothers Ben Affleck that much, he should quit .

Or maybe people should lighten up...

 

[Wildcard]

Or maybe people should lighten up...

Definitely this option.

 

[TheVileOne]

Or maybe people should lighten up...

People don't lighten up anymore. So that will never happen. Or maybe Affleck should lighten up and chill. Like Chill Penguin.

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[OutOfBoose]

Affleck is the only one to blame for this situation. Don't send signals if you don't want people to worry or bug you.

 

[Greenlite]

Lol.

Fans are not responsible for the vicious cycle of poor journalism and click bait culture.

 

[Greenlite]

Mark, is Affleck having confidence issues (3 poor critical reviewed films in one tough year), or does he has frustration over the Live by night post production because he seemed to have spent a lot of time doing JL acting and writing and Accountant promotion, when did he have time for LBN post stuff!? Or family and work hours are his main issues for a need to recharge? Or bit of everything?

 

[OutOfBoose]

Lol.

Fans are not responsible for the vicious cycle of poor journalism and click bait culture.

He could EASILY shut down any negative speculation. Instead he added fuel.

 

[wehofilmfan]

I'm a pretty huge fan of Batman, but Spider-Man definitely has a larger global fanbase.

Spider-Man merchandise still sells far more than the Trinity combined. Spider-Man's film series tops Batman's in total box office, $3.9B to $3.7B, with Spidey having 5 films and Batman having 7 -- and if we include BvS for Batman's side of the equation, keep in mind we could also then include Civil War for Spider-Man. Notice Batman has several more films than Spider-Man to help boost his numbers, so if we added in BvS and excluded Civil War that would not only seem like trying to give Batman added advantage in terms of what "counts" or doesn't, it also pads his total number of films to give him an edge too.

Spider-Man's per-film average worldwide is higher than Batman's. Batman was always more popular in the USA than overseas, with only a single Batman film (TDKR) having foreign box office numbers that exceeded domestic. All of Spider-Man's films had larger overseas ticket receipts than domestic.

Batman's domestic average, if we ONLY count films since 2000 and arbitrarily exclude all of his earlier films, is higher than Spider-Man's per film average, and the single-highest-grossing Batman film made more money than the single-highest grossing Spider-Man film.

The popularity of Spider-Man overseas has been massive for years, while Batman's brand of more grim vigilantism and the related gun-violence themes seem to resonate more strongly with domestic audiences, or at least they have up until very recently, for whatever reason.

 

[Greenlite]

He could EASILY shut down any negative speculation. Instead he added fuel.

He did, about 100 times.

And at the Kimmel show, "I'm directing Batman."

Next day USA Today reports Affleck starts year with LBN and maybe Batman, guess what the reactions of some posters here are, "OMG it says maybe, Affleck is a baby and he brought this upon himself, if you can't handle it, quit!"

It's all Affleck, yes. 100%.

 

[Greenlite]

Spidey draws kids, Batman doesn't as much, that makes a difference.

More toy sells means more kids who drags parents and grandparents and more tickets, at least that's how I see the demographics down here outside US. I see kids in Spdey costumes every week

 

[OutOfBoose]

He did, about 100 times.

And at the Kimmel show, "I'm directing Batman."

Next day USA Today reports Affleck starts year with LBN and maybe Batman, guess what the reactions of some posters here are, "OMG it says maybe, Affleck is a baby and he brought this upon himself, if you can't handle it, quit!"

It's all Affleck, yes. 100%.

He didn't. Otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion. There are many examples how to handle journalists and prevent negative speculation. Affleck didn't do that until, it feels like, someone smacked him behind the scenes and told him to go give a definitive answer.

 

[wehofilmfan]

He could EASILY shut down any negative speculation. Instead he added fuel.

How on earth could he do that? Go on TV and state "Yes I'm directing it" and explain he just wants time to finish writing it to his satisfaction, or something??


This is really just beyond silliness now.

 

[wehofilmfan]

He didn't. Otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion. There are many examples how to handle journalists and prevent negative speculation. Affleck didn't do that until, it feels like, someone smacked him behind the scenes and told him to go give a definitive answer.

Sure we would. Because some people don't pay attention, or they do and are just argumentative and won't back down from an unreasonable position. The fact a bunch of people don't listen well, or are just making unreasonable hyperbolic claims and posturing doesn't mean suddenly their behavior means they're right. They aren't.

 

[wehofilmfan]

This isn't rocket science. He said he planned to do it, was writing a script, and wasn't a guy who will make a movie if it's not great. He said this at a time we all knew the studio was pushing for a start-date and release-date that he'd literally publicly admitted might not conform to his own time-table, he noted he was trying to be ready when they wanted but couldn't guarantee it because he wasn't going to do it til he was sure the script was good enough. So during that time of studio pushing to move faster, and the fans and press acting anxious for him to hurry and get into a Batman movie, he noted that hey, he's not gonna do it if it's not going to be great, and that he didn't feel the script was at that level yet.

It's very clear he's always said he was writing the script, he always said he wants to make it, he's always said he plans to make it, and he only a few times -- during those times when studio and fan and press pressure wouldn't just take "I'm working on it, give me time" as a simple answer, that he wouldn't be pushed into a faster time-table than he was ready for because he will only do a film if he thinks it can be great, ESPECIALLY his own solo Batman film that will be judged against all other Batman films and as a supposed safety-prop-up for the DCU.

He is making it perfectly clear, for anyone being reasonable and listening seriously, what's happening and why, and the claims that somehow he's just dancing all over the place with mixed signals and totally responsible for confusing the heck out of everyone etc etc etc is just trying to sell snake-oil, period.

 

[jmc]

I thought it was common knowledge Spidey was bigger than Bats.