Ben Affleck To Team With DC’s Geoff Johns On Standalone ‘Batman’ Film - Part 1

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Disagree. Saw generated a lot of buzz when it was new. The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2 did very well. Furious 7 is one of his directorial credits, too, whether you love it or hate it. Same for Insidious. Wan seems to be good at what he does and has many more hits than misses.
Most people still don't know who James Wan is by name, other than film geeks. He's not Spielberg, Tarantino, Scorsese or Nolan. The general audience barely knows who any other director is by name. Maybe a few names like Villeneuve, Fincher, Coen Brothers, Inarritu. Wan is not on their level. And even those guys need a title card with the films they've done recently to get them over with a crowd. So "JAMES WAN, THE DIRECTOR OF THE CONJURING AND FAST 7" would probably be in a trailer. Most will look at that and say "oh that guy, well i liked or didn't like that horror movie. like or dont like the Fast movies blah blah". He's not this monster name, especially not for expensive blockbusters. AQUAMAN will sell this movie or it won't, and it depends largely on Justice League.
 
I have it on good authority from someone whom I won't name that Justice League releases in November. I'm just saying it's all very hush hush. So be on the look out for the marketing campaign a few months prior. I'm sorry I can't source this information.
 
Did Nolan and Burton also have to act in their Batman films? Do you suppose the attention and scrutiny a famous actor experiences is slightly different than the spotlight shined on directors? You can see the difference, right?
Yes. But it's his choice to write, star and direct. All eyes will always be on Batman. People ALWAYS want to know more. He's not forced into this role.

Right.

I mean heaven forbid a man gets frustrated for having to repeat himself countless times.
It's his right to be frustrated but every director goes through these pressures. Even more so because this is just a comic book movie. It's not that serious.

Why so secretive and vague about something that is so easily reported? This is what we know about the rumor as reported by a guest on the Schmoes Know podcast and by Cosmic Book News' coverage:


So to clarify what you claimed using the information we have available, the name you won't name for some reason is Sasha Perl-Raver. She does not appear to be "in the business" enough to have known or credible connections or access to news about Wonder Woman. She could, but as far as I know there is no way of verifying that. I haven't followed her or her commentary on this podcast or elsewhere, but unless there is a record of her having reported her source's reaction to BvS prior to its release, it would be easy for her to attempt to add credibility to her Wonder Woman rumor by saying this same source retroactively felt similarly about BvS. Meaning, she can lie about knowing a person to start a rumor and lie about that person having said something before BvS to lend credibility to that new rumor. She may also be telling the truth. However, without verification of her previous track record on rumors by having her BvS rumor recorded and dated prior to that film's release and her source/connections verified, there is no way of knowing if she's reliable.

Meanwhile, it doesn't appear as if anyone else is corroborating the rumor that Wonder Woman is poor. Quite the opposite. So, at the moment it seems more prudent to consider this new rumor with a heavy dose of skepticism.
I didn't know that it was reported. I saw/heard it on the show when it was live. Yes that's who it was. Whether it's just one persons opinion or not...she wasn't lying. I've been following these guys for years and they're all friends. She said to the host something like remember when i told before BvS and you didn't believe me until you saw the film...yeah i heard from the same person..

So it's your right to not believe because we all don't these people personally. But i trust the word. Again the person who saw the screening could be seeing something that Sasha or myself or you don't agree with. But i do believe she didn't make this story up. They're not a crew that enjoys making up b.s to get hits or whatever. It was just a conversation on a podcast.

Anyways i hope it's a good movie. Just pointing out that we should not expect a hit just because it's not Snyder in the chair. It's still run by Warner Brothers, and that letter from last year from that woman who spilled the "beans" on Wonder Woman being a mess...well i didn't necessarily believe that either but maybe she's telling the truth after all. Time will tell in June right? The scoop didn't surprise me because WB are a bunch of boneheads.
 
Yes. But it's his choice to write, star and direct. All eyes will always be on Batman. People ALWAYS want to know more. He's not forced into this role.

No one's saying he's forced. It's about empathy for the extra burden that he inherently has because he's taken on more roles, which does make his situation different from Nolan's. Whether it's by choice is irrelevant.

I didn't know that it was reported. I saw/heard it on the show when it was live. Yes that's who it was. Whether it's just one persons opinion or not...she wasn't lying. I've been following these guys for years and they're all friends. She said to the host something like remember when i told before BvS and you didn't believe me until you saw the film...yeah i heard from the same person..

None of that lends credibility to this person to the point that I feel anyone could say for sure she's not lying.

So it's your right to not believe because we all don't these people personally. But i trust the word. Again the person who saw the screening could be seeing something that Sasha or myself or you don't agree with. But i do believe she didn't make this story up. They're not a crew that enjoys making up b.s to get hits or whatever. It was just a conversation on a podcast.

I was told that someone from the Schmoes podcast had this to say about the rumor.

With regards to Wonder Woman being a mess, Harloff went on twitter yesterday to emphasize that "the Schmoes certainly said nothing of the sort".

Here is the conversation. When even the hosts won't stand by the claim enthusiastically, I feel comfortable not putting a lot of faith in it.

Anyways i hope it's a good movie. Just pointing out that we should not expect a hit just because it's not Snyder in the chair. It's still run by Warner Brothers, and that letter from last year from that woman who spilled the "beans" on Wonder Woman being a mess...well i didn't necessarily believe that either but maybe she's telling the truth after all. Time will tell in June right? The scoop didn't surprise me because WB are a bunch of boneheads.

I'm not expecting good or bad. I'm staying neutral and open-minded about its quality, and I'm also trying to be discerning about the standards a rumor has to meet before I give it any consideration. This one from Sasha doesn't meet my standards, so it hasn't changed how I am approaching this film.
 
That doesn't make him a popular director director with the masses. Directing well known films does not mean you are well known. Joss Whedon isn't more known to the masses than Martin Scorsese just because he directed two of the most popular superhero movies.

Joss Whedon is only "that Avengers director." That's pretty much it. Firefly and Serenity aren't even dimples on a map. The same cannot be said of The Conjuring.

Most people still don't know who James Wan is by name, other than film geeks. He's not Spielberg, Tarantino, Scorsese or Nolan. The general audience barely knows who any other director is by name. Maybe a few names like Villeneuve, Fincher, Coen Brothers, Inarritu. Wan is not on their level. And even those guys need a title card with the films they've done recently to get them over with a crowd. So "JAMES WAN, THE DIRECTOR OF THE CONJURING AND FAST 7" would probably be in a trailer. Most will look at that and say "oh that guy, well i liked or didn't like that horror movie. like or dont like the Fast movies blah blah". He's not this monster name, especially not for expensive blockbusters. AQUAMAN will sell this movie or it won't, and it depends largely on Justice League.

Villeneuve only became a name in the last couple years, mainly thanks to Sicario. And most people still don't know him BY name, let alone how to pronounce it. Fincher's output has been uneven; beyond a couple movies he hasn't really wowed me.

Don't take my word for it. Go look at Wan's filmography. Look at those beloved RT and IMDb ratings everyone loves to quote. Go look at the grosses. Again, more hits than misses: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/james_wan/
 
I have it on good authority from someone whom I won't name that Justice League releases in November. I'm just saying it's all very hush hush. So be on the look out for the marketing campaign a few months prior. I'm sorry I can't source this information.

Yeah, well I hear they're going to make more DCEU movies after Justice League. SCOOP!!! :woot:
 
So far I've heard people who claim to be 'in the know' and who were negative about BvS before it came out also being negative about WW. I'm also hearing from people who claim to be 'in the know' and who were positive about BvS before it came out being positive about WW.

I'll draw my own conclusions from both.
 
Even just speculation of WW being bad is still a gut punch. The idea of three of my favourite characters being in three consecutively bad films is just depressing.
 
They better figure out a way to make it look like he's not holding his breathe underwater. That underwater scene in BvS was awkward as hell.

Can I ask why this is such an issue with people?

Arthur is supposed to half human, isn't he? Even if, say, he has gills or something to breathe through, wouldn't he still kind of have to hold his breath anyway? Otherwise his body would fill up with water, and how would that be any less awkward looking?
 
Can I ask why this is such an issue with people?

Arthur is supposed to half human. Even if, say, he has gills, if he also has lungs, wouldn't he kind of have to hold his breath anyway?

It looks silly.
 
What does that even mean?

What's silly about it?

What more needs to be explained? I think it looks hilariously ridiculous that someone who can survive underwater needs to hold their breath.
 
He was also frowning. Does he need to take a big gulp of water and then frown?

He grits his teeth when he stabs with his trident. Maybe some water got in then?

I think this complaint is a bit much, but whatever.
 
So far I've heard people who claim to be 'in the know' and who were negative about BvS before it came out also being negative about WW. I'm also hearing from people who claim to be 'in the know' and who were positive about BvS before it came out being positive about WW.

I'll draw my own conclusions from both.

Holy contradictions, Batman!
 
Saying James Wan is a "popular" director is stretching it pretty thin. The number of film directors who are popular enough to register to the general public can be counted on one hand, and I don't think James Wan is in it. He is only known in the film geek-sphere. And even then, he is not that lauded.

Wan directed a movie that grossed 1.5 B, I think you can consider him a popular director at this point. He's dominated the horror genre as well, he's the hottest director in horror at the moment by far.

Wan may not be a household name yet but he is popular. For sure.

Aquaman is going to be awesome. I can't imagine a better choice for the movie than Wan. I love his passion for the project.
 
David Ayer was "passionate" about SS, so temper your expectations with WB steering this ship.
 
Wan directed a movie that grossed 1.5 B, I think you can consider him a popular director at this point. He's dominated the horror genre as well, he's the hottest director in horror at the moment by far.

Wan may not be a household name yet but he is popular. For sure.

Aquaman is going to be awesome. I can't imagine a better choice for the movie than Wan. I love his passion for the project.
McG could've directed a Fast movie and it would still probably make $1.5 billion.
 
Saying James Wan is a "popular" director is stretching it pretty thin. The number of film directors who are popular enough to register to the general public can be counted on one hand, and I don't think James Wan is in it. He is only known in the film geek-sphere. And even then, he is not that lauded.

That's rather absurd. His Conjuring, Fast & Furious, and Saw films have all been widely popular. It's a stretch to claim otherwise.
 
6 months ago it was, "Yes, James Wan is leaving Aquaman and that sinking ship that is DCU!"

Today it's "James Wan isn't even that popular, psssh who the Hell is James Wan?"

Wonder what it'll be tomorrow.
 
I won't mention names, but somebody in the business has a friend who saw BvS early and told her to be worried because the film was messy and disjointed. This was before the reviews came pouring in. The same person told her the same thing about Wonder Woman. This is also coming from a fan who was let down by this, not somebody going in with DCEU hate in their heart. So i'm just saying it's a possibility that Wonder Woman will be another failure. I'm personally looking forward to the movie but skeptical about Gadot's performance. You don't have believe anything, that's your right.

It's just as silly to think it will succeed just because of James Wan or known stars (who besides hardcore fans of Game of Thrones know who Momoa is?). Wan isn't the one who got butts in the seats for the previous Fast and the Furious. It doesn't matter who's directing those films, especially to the general public. Wan, to me, has not proven he can do anything of worth outside of the horror genre. The point is, the general audience doesn't give a damn about Aquaman, they don't know or care about most of these actors (yet, let's wait until Justice League). Justice League has to do well, Aquaman has to turn heads in THAT movie, and they have to market the film well or i'm pretty sure it's going to bomb. There's reasons to assume it will fail. Acting like there isn't is unrealistic. I'll change my tune if people are absolutely floored by his first official appearance as well as the Aquaman trailers. We shall see.

Harassment? Please. He's a grown man getting paid a LOT of money for what he does, and he's whining about being harassed about a Batman movie that HE is going to direct and star in? Cry me a river, like i said before. First world white man problems right there. Give me a break. He can tell every single one of them beforehand to only ask about Live by Night. So take it like a man Ben and stop whining about it. Take a page out of Denzel's book and stop making a fuss over every little question or poor review. You don't play a character as huge as Batman, announce that you're going to direct a movie about that character and not expect people to constantly ask when he's going to make it. Especially when he can't word something correctly, like "i'll do it when it's good enough" then "there's no script". You don't say that and not expect people to misinterpret or at least ask him what the deal is.

I'm not angry. I don't really care if he makes the movie or not. I just get annoyed by celebrities who whine like it's the hardest job in the world. That's why i said take a page out of Denzel's book. It isn't hostile to express my opinion or speculate just because you're getting defensive. We all know you're in love with Batfleck and this universe (if you're not then correct me). It seems like you have an excuse for everything with this DCEU.

You're defending this guy like he's family. He's human but he has a job to do. A job that he decided to do himself. He said it's a lot of pressure no? OK so do it and embrace what comes with that (Nolan had to deal with questions too and didn't complain)...OR don't direct it. Write the script, get somebody else to direct.

If he can't handle the pressure of making a Batman movie then no, he's not fit to make it in the first place. Perhaps he's more fit to make different films. I wasn't talking about him not making movies in general, don't put words in my mouth, i was talking about THIS movie (The Batman).

Are you Foley from The Dark Knight Rises calling me a hothead because i pointed out that Ben loses his s**t all the time in public, sometimes over nonsense like a new friggin Batman movie!? LOL. This guy has the PRIVILEGE to make movies. It's hard, but it's not the hardest job on the planet, and he's getting payed millions to do it. He knows how the game works, so deal. "You're calling him a hothead!? How about you!? YOU'RE the one acting like a hothead!" right cuz that's apparently more mature.. :hehe:

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So a friend of a friend said it's a mess? That sounds reliable, sure. And yes, it's my right not to believe this, and I don't.

It's silly to think a top director and big star are enough to make a fantasy superhero movie succeed? You sound very informed about box office and filmmaking. Also, I never said those things alone, I actually noted the genre and its popularity, so try not to exaggerate so much, thanks.

Wan's not proven outside horror? Check out the little-know indie franchise Fast & Furious, perhaps. Try again, if the goal is to dismiss the import of Wan.

"He's rich" is a tired, simplistic argument for waving off constant pressure and stress on someone. I don't take these defensive "so what" sentiments seriously, sorry.

If Affleck really needs to be so extra-delicate with words because of people getting it this constantly wrong, then I think it's one of those times to start telling people to take more ownership of their simple failure to get it, than to say someone has to constantly tip-toe with wording even after being frankly perfectly clear about his meaning and intent.

You're use of hyperbolic language constantly -- particularly what I feel is rather immature resort to name-calling -- is tiring and means I'll be ignoring responses and not responding anymore, by the way. This "you're in love with etc etc" and "baby crybaby" stuff is silly beyond words now.

I'm defending him like a bunch of hypersensitive people are looking for reasons to complain, because I care about integrity and truth. Thanks. You're commitment to insulting him and complaining could be equally questioned, but I'm not really interested in continuing this exchange after this reply.

Considering I was repeating your remarks about hotheadedness, it's glaringly clear you need to pay more attention to get the references I guess. Oh, you did get it since you reference the quote, and yet you still complain? Wow. Okay, go ahead with your remarks again, I've made it clear why I don't buy anything you're saying (including about knowing anyone who saw WW). Bye.
 
I swear it feels like Ben's talked about Batman more now than when he was doing actual press for BvS.
 
David Ayer was "passionate" about SS, so temper your expectations with WB steering this ship.

I'm not the biggest fan of David Ayer's stuff, and I've liked everything I've seen from Wan, so that counts for something

But yeah. As always with DC, you can't assume or expect anything
 
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