Ben Affleck To Team With DC’s Geoff Johns On Standalone ‘Batman’ Film - Part 1

[wnjcwjkk]

Who's jumping to conclusions? All I'm seeing people say, that they won't be surprised if the rumor ends up being true, given the track record and approach.
I don't remember any posts, where fans were against Affleck taking his time. Everyone is supportive of the idea that if he needs time to finish the script, he should get it. Unless he feels the whole project is too much pressure for him. Maybe it's a good idea to pass it someone who's more excited.

At the same time, Affleck's earlier statements confused fans.

Yeah, when you have a film that has such a high level of interest, with such little information, not to mention there's a fair amount of uncertainty with the DCEU due to all the critical backlash, studio interference, possible changes in direction, films maybe not doing as well financially as they hoped, so it's only natural that fans who follow and think about these films so much are going to pore over every little statement for deeper meaning and extrapolate larger asssumptions. If you report it, people are going to create scenarios and draw their own conclusions. Some people go too overboard with their theories, no big deal. I'm sure Affleck knew the deal when he signed on and every time he makes a statement, I doubt he's worried at all about pressure from hardcore fans on the Internet.

 

[Micromind]

There's little credible information available right now to form an opinion either way.

 

[BatLobster]

That was the first thing that came to my mind. It also makes me optimistic that Affleck is coming off directing an homage to the old classic Prohibition era gangster films, so that will be fresh on his mind, because that genre goes hand in hand with the old noir hard boiled detective films and both of those were huge influences on the Batman mythology, just look at The Animated Series for one example (the Dark noir atmosphere, the guys in suits, trench coats, and fedoras, etc). Those are the kinds of things I would love to see in a Batman solo film, and paying homage to those storytelling influences would fit right in with what Snyder did in BvS, with all those literary and film references (King Arthur, Wizard Of Oz, etc. etc.). It really makes the films feel like the characters are part of our larger, collective mythology, if that makes sense

I can see him going that route with it. It does give me a bit of pause though, considering Live By Night was his homage film and the critics seem to have found it hollow (still need to see it myself though).

I'm not sure that I want a Batman movie that's an homage type of film. There's a difference between having homages and making the entire movie a homage, so I'd hope it veers closer to the former than the latter. You can definitely play with noir tropes and focus on the detective element more, but what I'm really hoping for is for this film to say something new with the character. Otherwise what's the point, you know?

 

[shauner111]

A detective story with the world's worst detective might not be a good match.

 

[Boom]

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Batman is a human being... human beings are flawed. They can be overcome with emotions like rage and pride. I could be the world's best pancake flipper, if my girl breaks up with me and takes my dog with her one morning, guess who's going to suck at flipping pancakes that morning?

 

[shauner111]

Batman is a human being... human beings are flawed. They can be overcome with emotions like rage and pride. I could be the world's best pancake flipper, if my girl breaks up with me and takes my dog with her one morning, guess who's going to suck at flipping pancakes that morning?

Really? I thought he was a comic book character myself. Interesting.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Really? I thought he was a comic book character myself. Interesting.

You know what I meant smartass.

 

[shauner111]

Hahaha just joking.

The idea is that he is human, but he's not like any other human. His discipline and code is on another level. It's relatable because we can reach that level but we usually don't, and a lot of us simply can't. Your pancake story doesn't apply to him.

 

[idiot09]

The idea is that 20 years of failed crimefighting and countless losses has broken that perfect man. Its a valid interpretation.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Hahaha just joking.

The idea is that he is human, but he's not like any other human. His discipline and code is on another level. It's relatable because we can reach that level but we usually don't, and a lot of us simply can't. Your pancake story doesn't apply to him.

Maybe he's on another level because he dresses up like a bat and beats the **** out of blue collar criminals at night for therapeutic reasons. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that that's not healthy.

There's no way you can you can break Batman down to me where I won't think his character (not the concept) is inherently flawed. And that's perfectly fine. That's what makes him interesting.

 

[The Joker]

The idea is that 20 years of failed crimefighting and countless losses has broken that perfect man. Its a valid interpretation.

Not for Batman in the way it ended up breaking him.

 

[idiot09]

Not for Batman in the way it ended up breaking him.

I believe he can be portrayed as a broken man. These are fictional characters. There is no one set way. They have been re-imagined and updated throughtout their 75 year history. Its very closeminded to say he cant be.

 

[The Joker]

I believe he can be portrayed as a broken man. These are fictional characters. There is no one set way. They have been re-imagined and updated throughtout their 75 year history. Its very closeminded to say he cant be.

Re-read my post. I never said he couldn't end up being broken. He's been broken in the comics, the animated series, and in Nolan's movies. It's the way he was broken in BvS that was rubbish and out of character. Turning into an illogical murderer.

 

[idiot09]

Re-read my post. I never said he couldn't end up being broken. He's been broken in the comics, the animated series, and in Nolan's movies. It's the way he was broken in BvS that was rubbish and out of character. Turning into an illogical murderer.

Then thats not the orignal argument was. The original argument was that he is a perfect man who cannot be broken like a normal human, which is what Shauner said.

 

[The Joker]

I'm not going to put words in Shauner's mouth, but I doubt that's what he meant. I know from vast experience that he's a fan of TDKR, and that movie had a broken Bruce Wayne who was a shell of a man, being a total recluse, hobbling around his mansion with a cane.

So he can't mean Batman can never be a broken man, unless he's got double standards here.

 

[idiot09]

IDK about Shauner's post history, I just replied to what I had read from his post. I think the interpetation we got is a valid and interesting one, if you dont thats fine as well.

 

[misslane38]

Re-read my post. I never said he couldn't end up being broken. He's been broken in the comics, the animated series, and in Nolan's movies. It's the way he was broken in BvS that was rubbish and out of character. Turning into an illogical murderer.

How do you BREAK a character and not make him OUT of character? Since Batman has murdered before, in Nolan no less, then is it the alleged illogical part that ruins it? What was illogical?

 

[The Joker]

How do you BREAK a character and not make him OUT of character? Since Batman has murdered before, in Nolan no less, then is it the alleged illogical part that ruins it? What was illogical?

I assume that's a rhetorical question. There's different ways people can be broken. Just like there's different ways people can be depressed. There's not one universal way people act when they are spiritually or mentally broken.

Batman's I.Q. doesn't drop and turn into an irrational killer when he's broken.

 

[misslane38]

I assume that's a rhetorical question. There's different ways people can be broken. Just like there's different ways people can be depressed. There's not one universal way people act when they are spiritually or mentally broken.

Batman's I.Q. doesn't drop and turn into an irrational killer when he's broken.

So has Batman always been broken the same way? Describe the ways he's been broken. Again since he has killed, it's the mental and intellectual factor that seems paramount to you. Why? Also, what was irrational?

 

[Patchwork Man]

I'm not going to put words in Shauner's mouth, but I doubt that's what he meant. I know from vast experience that he's a fan of TDKR, and that movie had a broken Bruce Wayne who was a shell of a man, being a total recluse, hobbling around his mansion with a cane.

So he can't mean Batman can never be a broken man, unless he's got double standards here.

TDKR's a good movie but it is far and away the most flawed of Nolan's Batman films. I never bought into the idea of Bruce hanging up his cowl for so many years ("The Batman wasn't needed anymore. We won."). The creative choices were mainly designed to bookend the trilogy because Nolan didn't want the studio to use it as a shared universe lead-in.

 

[The Joker]

So has Batman always been broken the same way? Again since he has killed, it's the mental and intellectual factor that seems paramount to you. Why? Also, what was irrational?

Pretty much. In the comics when Bane broke him, physically and spiritually, he abandoned the mantle of Batman to someone else, and left the country for months to try and find his purpose again. In TAS when he thought he was getting nowhere with his crime fighting as Batman he quit. In TDKR, he became a shut off recluse (The Batman Beyond cartoon also showed this after he was forced to stop being Batman due to old age).

When Batman has killed, it was in high stakes dangerous moments where innocent lives were in immediate danger e.g. an atomic bomb was about to go off, a child about to be shot etc.

Stark contrast to his looney murderous actions in BvS.

TDKR's a good movie but it is far and away the most flawed of Nolan's Batman films. I never bought into the idea of Bruce hanging up his cowl for so many years ("The Batman wasn't needed anymore. We won."). The creative choices were mainly designed to bookend the trilogy because Nolan didn't want the studio to use it as a shared universe lead-in.

One of the most famous and fan favorite Batman tales, The Dark Knight Returns, had him quit for 10 years. And he did it when the city still needed him as Batman. So abandoning the mantle of Batman is very much something Batman can and has done. Getting to retire from the mantle is something he very much wants to do when he's not needed as Batman any more;

 

[OutOfBoose]

Nolan's Batman abandons his crusade against crime, because there's no need for that. And thus loses meaning of his life. He doesn't lose his judgement, I.Q., skills or the essence.

Snyder's Batman abandons his no-kill rule, becomes an executioner.

I think, both cases feature broken characters. But don't act surprised that Snyder's Batman is considered an unlikable idiot and an ******* by many. And that people don't like him and don't sympathize with him.

 

[BatLobster]

Nolan's Batman abandons his crusade against crime, because there's no need for that. And thus loses meaning of his life. He doesn't lose his judgement, I.Q., skills or the essence.

Snyder's Batman abandons his no-kill rule, becomes an executioner.

I think, both cases feature broken characters. But don't act surprised that Snyder's Batman is considered an unlikable idiot and an ******* by many. And that people don't like him and don't sympathize with him.

So much this.

 

[DeadStroke]

Nolan's Batman abandons his crusade against crime, because there's no need for that. And thus loses meaning of his life. He doesn't lose his judgement, I.Q., skills or the essence.

Snyder's Batman abandons his no-kill rule, becomes an executioner.

I think, both cases feature broken characters. But don't act surprised that Snyder's Batman is considered an unlikable idiot and an ******* by many. And that people don't like him and don't sympathize with him.

They have two different history's though.

Snyder's Batman has been at it almost 20 years and finally "broke" with the arrival/destruction of Superman.

Nolan's Batman essentially did the job for a little under two years right?

Its very clear in the dialogue that after everrrrrrrrryyything that he experienced over the years that trust is out the damn window now that there is a guy capable of destroying the world. Friends turned villains, friends murdered, city corrupted, etc.

Which makes it cool that this guy of all people helps Batman rediscovery his humanity by simply seeing the humanity in Superman.

Now if people want to complain about the execution (no pun) thats fine. However, these two Batman are/were at two totally different points in their lives.