Ben Affleck To Team With DC’s Geoff Johns On Standalone ‘Batman’ Film - Part 3

[Boom]

To be fair, Terrio was given the unfortunate task of having to combine elements of The Dark Knight Returns, Birthright, Injustice, and Death of Superman all into one film, and introduce Wonder Woman and the Justice League on top of all of that. Not to mention having to adhere to the dark and dour tone that Snyder was gunning for.

In comparison, writing a stand-alone Batman film should be simpler, by virtue of allowing more focus on one character and one isolated story.

 

[sweetre15]

Chris Terrio did not do a page one rewrite, and after watching BvS UC, i don't think his writing was bad at all.



So, he directs one movie that fails to get good critical reviews and suddenly, he is a bad director ?

Many directors churn out one or two bad movies every now and then.




Geoff Johns did not have much control over what was happening in GL movie back than, there were too many cooks, and many writers.

I think Geoff Johns is there to make sure that the movie's script remains faithful to comics.

Apart from that, he started his career with Richard Donner and has written a for few episodes of Smallville, Green Arrow and Flash series, while that does not make in a good writer, he is not a newbie either.

It also helps that he's studied media arts, film theory, film production and screenwriting in his college years.

 

[shauner111]

Chris Terrio did not do a page one rewrite, and after watching BvS UC, i don't think his writing was bad at all.

That's just it. He was working off Goyer's script, and changed it drastically. Not a page one rewrite, but it was still his. He apparently did the same thing with the Affleck/Johns script.

If that's your opinion fine, but most people, like myself find the writing excruciatingly awful. The UC doesn't change anything with the writing. It's just a better edit.

So, he directs one movie that fails to get good critical reviews and suddenly, he is a bad director ?

Many directors churn out one or two bad movies every now and then.

Did i say he's a bad director?

Yes, you're right, they do. But my point is, Ben wrote, directed and starred in a movie that failed in all 3 of those categories. I can't imagine what the next movie (The Batman) would have been like, written by him, directed by him, and starring him.

Geoff Johns did not have much control over what was happening in GL movie back than, there were too many cooks, and many writers.

He was still involved, and thought what they were doing was great.

I think Geoff Johns is there to make sure that the movie's script remains faithful to comics.

Maybe. But you don't know that.

Apart from that, he started his career with Richard Donner and has written a for few episodes of Smallville, Green Arrow and Flash series, while that does not make in a good writer, he is not a newbie either.

All that matters is if he's a good enough writer. Newbie. Veteran. Don't care.

It also helps that he's studied media arts, film theory, film production and screenwriting in his college years.

It only helps if he puts that to good use in a film. He hasn't, yet. So at this moment it shouldn't be puzzling when people like myself aren't excited about the guys involvement.

 

[Micromind]

I don't want to say that Chris Terrio will do an amazing job, but I trust him, and I am willing to give him a chance.

From his wiki page -

Chris Terrio was raised in a Catholic family in Staten Island.[3][4] He is of Italian and Irish descent.[5]

He graduated in 1997 from Harvard University, where he studied English literature and German phenomenology, lived in Adams House, and participated in the Harvard Radcliffe Dramatic Club and the Hasty Pudding Theatricals.[6]

Terrio attended University of Cambridge for his MLitt,[7] but eventually decided to enroll in film school.[3] He received his master's degree from the USC School of Cinematic Arts in 2002.[8

 

[shauner111]

To be fair, Terrio was given the unfortunate task of having to combine elements of The Dark Knight Returns, Birthright, Injustice, and Death of Superman all into one film, and introduce Wonder Woman and the Justice League on top of all of that. Not to mention having to adhere to the dark and dour tone that Snyder was gunning for.

In comparison, writing a stand-alone Batman film should be simpler, by virtue of allowing more focus on one character and one isolated story.

You might be right about that. But even looking at everything that was dropped on his desk, it still could have been decent as a script, at least. You can have all of those elements present, and deliver something better than what Terrio gave us.

 

[shauner111]

I don't want to say that Chris Terrio will do an amazing job, but I trust him, and I am willing to give him a chance.

From his wiki page -

You're trusting him because of his schooling and backround? You can line up 100 writers and they could have a similar backround. It doesn't mean they will write a good screenplay or that their style meshes with whatever they're taking on.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I'm more confident in this project now and now in wait/see mode for more casting etc.

 

[Boom]

You might be right about that. But even looking at everything that was dropped on his desk, it still could have been decent as a script, at least. You can have all of those elements present, and deliver something better than what Terrio gave us.

I don't know. Given everything Snyder and WB wanted to do with BvS, I don't know how much better the script could have been. That movie was a mess of ambition, and it collapsed under its own weight. With the exception of a few bad lines, some foggy character motivations, and the huge miss that was Lex Luthor, I have to give Terrio some credit for putting together a fairly coherent script all things considered.

The guy did write a fantastic script for Argo. That can't be ignored. And like Argo, if Batman aims to have a focused, tight narrative, then I'd happily give Terrio the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Jekecy]

Patty left Thor because of creative differences. So now suddenly she is willing to "play ball"? The more reasonable explanation is Patty's vision of the movie was liked by the studio, while McLaren reportedly wanted to do some pretty odd stuff like introduce a talking tiger companion. There is giving freedom, and then there is giving too much freedom.

Patty and Michelle were both frontrunners and actively in talks with WB down to the wire. So it begs the question if Patty's vision was so preferred, why the hell did they pick Michelle in the first place?

At the very least, WB looks foolish for that move.

 

[Black Narcissus]

My original choices:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34749211&postcount=451

Matt Reeves
Alex Garland
Jennifer Kent
Carey Fukunaga

 

[shauner111]

Patty left Thor because of creative differences. So now suddenly she is willing to "play ball"? The more reasonable explanation is Patty's vision of the movie was liked by the studio, while McLaren reportedly wanted to do some pretty odd stuff like introduce a talking tiger companion. There is giving freedom, and then there is giving too much freedom.

I'm not saying MacLaren's version was good or better. I'm saying she's willing to play ball. The studio had a vision. Snyder and co had a vision for Wonder Woman. Michelle didn't want to do that. Patty Jenkins was up for it. It's not her idea. She didn't pitch it to the studio. They went after a new director that was willing to play ball with the DCEU vision, and Patty was it.

As far as i know that's what happened. If she actually pitched HER idea then i'll stand corrected. But i don't think that's the case. MacLaren was announced and everything.

 

[KillerWolf]

Considering that MacLaren pitched a very crappy idea, Jenkins being willing to play ball seems like a better alternative.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

This is about the best we could hope for in a bad situation. Matt Reeves is a great replacement. He's pretty much cut from the same cloth as JJ Abrams. Both men grew up and broke into show business together. Here's hoping all goes well.

 

[jmc]

I can understand that some people here don't have faith in the team of David Goyer, Zack Snyder and Charles Roven.

But not having any faith for Geoff Johns, Chris Terrio, Ben Affleck, Matt Reeves and Jon Berg is puzzling.

The biggest question mark going now is not the creative teams competence, it's whether everyone including the heads at WB are on the same page. At present I'm not 100% convinced of Affleck's commitment, nor do I believe Terrio knows what's best to adapt from the comics, and Geoff Johns hasn't really shown to have done much of anything to contribute to date. I understand the excitement of Reeves directing cause I'm right in line with those supporting that choice, but we are talking about a franchise with a troubled history at this point. Given the amount of nonsense we've had to go through to expect that this team is suddenly going to solve the problems the series faces is putting the cart before the horse.

 

[kguillou]

No offense to Terrio, because I have no doubt he is an exceptional writer and I did like his writing in BvS, but I think he was clearly overwhelmed with writing this comic book material that he was not familiar with and probably had no affinity for. Snyder probably gave him TDKR returns to read and that was more or less his sole reference point for how to write the characters. You could tell he was more,interested in writing a political thriller while Snyder was trying to comic book it up.

That said, Batman works much bettwr in Terrio's wheelhouse and,I think he'll much more comfortable in this realm.

 

[brandeezy89]

I'm not saying MacLaren's version was good or better. I'm saying she's willing to play ball. The studio had a vision. Snyder and co had a vision for Wonder Woman. Michelle didn't want to do that. Patty Jenkins was up for it. It's not her idea. She didn't pitch it to the studio. They went after a new director that was willing to play ball with the DCEU vision, and Patty was it.

As far as i know that's what happened. If she actually pitched HER idea then i'll stand corrected. But i don't think that's the case. MacLaren was announced and everything.

Patty said she pitched WW to WB in 2004 then she got pregnant and took a break from film. But I'm assuming she had input on the script since she's credited as a screenwriter.

 

[Moridin]

I was mildly interested in an Affleck directed Batman film. I'm excited about a Reeves directed Batman film. Just watched Let Me In and it's very good. Was already a fan of Cloverfield, and Dawn is great.

I know Deathstroke is supposed to part of this but I think this team could do an awesome Mr Freeze story.

Can we stop with this nonsense? WB are the ones investing hundreds of millions of dollars.

Clowns with a lot of money are still clowns.

And anyway...

 

[Greenlite]

Just in regards to Weta, I think most people want them to do the landscape, stunts, action set pieces as required, more so than having to do a CGI character for the sake of it.

Even if that means its a small job for Weta, then that works out well if they are busy and WB can squeeze in a small job for them. And Avatar 2 is not happening before The Batman.

 

[Greenlite]

The most consistent attack on BvS from the critics are editing and tone, and IMO, the dialogues in BvS are amazing, so not much Fault on Terrio's part, and people are not taking Razzies are seriously are they? last I saw on the entertainment papers, Margot Robbie got nominated for a Razzie for her performance as Harley Quinn.

Anyway it's all moot point, Reeves and his mates are doing an overhaul, so Terrio's script is not relevant now. Source - The Hollywood Reporter, let's argue if Variety is more reliable or THR, mind you THR published it as an article, not a tweet.

 

[The Joker]

Margot Robbie didn't get nominated for a Razzie. Jared Leto did.

 

[Benal]

I was mildly interested in an Affleck directed Batman film. I'm excited about a Reeves directed Batman film. Just watched Let Me In and it's very good. Was already a fan of Cloverfield, and Dawn is great.

I know Deathstroke is supposed to part of this but I think this team could do an awesome Mr Freeze story.



Clowns with a lot of money are still clowns.

And anyway...

It's all about the money. Except for maybe 1 incident with Ayer (Which in retrospect helped the movie not being a box office bomb but I'll still give it to you), nothing out of the ordinary happened with the DCEU.

Michelle Mclaren wanted more money for her movie, so WB got Patty Jenkins instead. And it's guessing on my part, and I know some people will say I'm a jerk, but I think she thought they were going cheap with Wonder Woman because it's a female lead and she's a female director.

Phil Lord and Chris Miller left for Han Solo and The Flash movie never recovered, because Seth Grahame-Smith and Rick Famuyiwa couldn't do justice to their original pitch. So WB decided to ditch their pitch and start over.

Affleck stepped down because he was sopposed to be the second director in historty to star in his own blockbuster movie. Mel Gibson was sort of the first and he said he will never do it again.

 

[Greenlite]

Margot Robbie didn't get nominated for a Razzie. Jared Leto did.

I see, the paper must have taken the "shortlist" as nominations. Margot was on the shortlist along with Marion Cotillard and Jennifer Aniston etc.

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017...or-the-37th-golden-raspberry-awards-revealed/

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Any chance this movie begins filming this year?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I could see them getting the ball rolling around the end of the year

 

[Boom]

If the deal gets finalized, I imagine we'll get some details shortly thereafter. At the very least they'll need to set a preliminary release date.