Ben Affleck To Team With DC’s Geoff Johns On Standalone ‘Batman’ Film - Part 5

[terry78]

Every single one of Batman's villains is an anti-Batman.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Even Professor Pyg?

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Give us someone we haven't seen before. Hugo Strange, Red Hood, or Man-Bat.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Man Bat. For the love of God Man Bat.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Man-Bat would be awesome. What better way to differentiate the new Batman from the previous grounded take?

 

[Pennywise]

I'd like to see Clayface make an appearance in the film or a future sequel.

 

[Steyin]

Give me Ventriloquist damnit.

 

[shauner111]

Man Bat is terrible. He only works in animation.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

A cold open with batman wrangling and sedating man bat would be so epic.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Or a switcheroo. A cold open with a giant Bat silhouette chasing somebody. The unsuspecting public thinks it's Batman being scary. BAM. The monstrous reveal of Man-Bat.

 

[GothamBat]

I wasn't happy about an "older Batman" when they announced it, but let's just look at what's on screen; this "past his prime" Batman is WAY more physically capable and acrobatic that ANY Batman we've seen before in live action, only comparable to animated and game form.

I think the whole "aged" aspect was overblown as a selling point, we know he's mid 40s because we're aware of every little detail and interviews and everything the filmmakers said, but I think in the actual movies they'll keep his age kinda vague (like with RDJ's Tony Stark) as in early-mid 40s, since Affleck can easily pass for younger than his age; I mean, he looked a lot younger than what we were told in the movie.

Like how in the trailers he said "I'm getting slow in my old age, Alfred", but the actual movie line was "You're getting slow in your old age, Alfred"; it was the selling point, and as Affleck himself said in an interview, that was a Batman at the end of his rope (mentally and emotionally), but in JL we see a Batman "reborn" so to speak.

We don't have an "old" Batman, we have an experienced one.

my thoughts exactly

 

[Tacit Ronin]

He's been operating for 20 years. If we believe he started at 25 like in the comics, he would be 45.

 

[Omegabat]

Or Hush.
Or Anarky.
Or Black Mask.
Or Owlman.
Or Prometheus.
Or Heretic.
Or Anti-Batman.
Or Batzarro.
Or Bizarro-Batman.

Deathstroke is more popular and more pushed than all those characters put together.

And seriously Bizarro Batman/Batzarro?
Owlman exists in a different universe
Prometheus was a parody of Batgod, only Morrison was able to use him correctly and then he never bothered.
Anarky is a mouth piece for Alan Grant's political views, again that's why he either hasn't been used since Grant or just used wrong altogether.
You need Damian for Heretic
Black Mask and Anarky aren't even Anti-Batmen anyway.

The only viable candidate in that category against Deathstroke is Bane who was just used in TDKR.


If not Deathstroke I wouldn't mind Hugo Strange or Riddler as the big bad or maybe a bunch of crime bosses at war (Penguin vs Black Mask) but I seriously think characters like Man-Bat and Clayface as lead villains are a pipe dream and it amazes me to see people root for them so passionately. These guys aren't main villain material, they're your filler monsters of the week. Deathstroke was just recently the lead villain of Son of Batman animated film and was one of the lead villains of Beware the Batman Season 1. Ra's/LOA were the villains of the first half while Deathstroke and Two-Face were the lead villains of the second half. So there is precedent of Deathstroke being the main villain of Batman material moreso than Man-Bat, Clayface, Killer Croc etc can brag about.
With that said the villains I'm hoping wont be in the film are
Court of Owls, lame, just some nobodies in Owl masks who were killed by Bruce's brother that never existed who then became the real villain and then was revealed to not be Bruce's brother after all. I'll never understand why people rank this trash so highly among Batman stories. Spectre was definite proof that this entire idea is stupid.
Red Hood, overused one hit wonder with one story that even plays out the same.
Hush, lamer

 

[Omegabat]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: if they want to use a dark mirror superpowered Evil Batman? Use Bane. He's an actual Batman villain, with actual thematic resonance, and actual Bat comic plots to draw from. The only virtue Deathstroke brings is "cool fight scenes", and there's no reason you can't do good fight scenes with any number of other villains.

Bane was used in TDKR, that's the big thing going against him. People want new stuff, I'm a Bane fan but even I would have been off put if he were announced as the villain. Same reason I dont care about Red Hood, I've already seen the exact same story play out with him in 3 different mediums.

 

[2kt09]

Deathstroke is more popular and more pushed than all those characters put together.

And seriously Bizarro Batman/Batzarro?
Owlman exists in a different universe
Prometheus was a parody of Batgod, only Morrison was able to use him correctly and then he never bothered.
Anarky is a mouth piece for Alan Grant's political views, again that's why he either hasn't been used since Grant or just used wrong altogether.
You need Damian for Heretic
Black Mask and Anarky aren't even Anti-Batmen anyway.

The only viable candidate in that category against Deathstroke is Bane who was just used in TDKR.

Was coming up with viable candidates that fulfilled the stipulation that wasn't Bane or Deathstroke. I too would take Deathstroke over another Bane.

Black Mask supposedly has a rich kid background with crappy parents, which somehow led him into the criminal underworld.
Anarky would pretty much be Heath's Joker from the way it appears...with that whole child prodigy twist.

 

[Omegabat]

Was coming up with viable candidates that fulfilled the stipulation that wasn't Bane or Deathstroke. I too would take Deathstroke over another Bane.

Black Mask supposedly has a rich kid background with crappy parents, which somehow led him into the criminal underworld.
Anarky would pretty much be Heath's Joker from the way it appears...with that whole child prodigy twist.

Except many of those characters are not viable, Batzarro is not viable, Owlman is not viable, Heretic is conditionally viable, Prometheus is not viable and if Black Mask makes it to GCS then he might not be viable either.

 

[2kt09]

Except many of those characters are not viable, Batzarro is not viable, Owlman is not viable, Heretic is conditionally viable, Prometheus is not viable and if Black Mask makes it to GCS then he might not be viable either.

They've gone the Doomsday is the by-product of Zod and Lex route.
They've introduced the concept of time travel/alt-realities.
Bring in Damian to bring in Heretic. Not exactly a ground-breaking premise.
Bat-God is supposedly in the DCEU.
Black Mask is about the only other more known villain they haven't yet adapted into a mob boss thing. Unless, the implication is that once he shows up in GCS, he'll be discarded from henceforth.

 

[GothamBat]

I was thinking, if they were to do a prequel Batman movie (with Affleck still on board), they really wouldn't need to do much to de-age him. The guy looks hella young. There's no need to do any digital de-aging just apply some foundation to lighten up his five o'clock shadow and maybe concealer for those slight eye bags and he's good to go. He'll look 25. If they want to go with a different actor for the prequel they could get drew roy. he's spot on as a younger affleck

 

[GothamBat]

same hair color, bone structure, eye-color/shape.

 

[Omegabat]

They've gone the Doomsday is the by-product of Zod and Lex route.
They've introduced the concept of time travel/alt-realities.
Bring in Damian to bring in Heretic. Not exactly a ground-breaking premise.
Bat-God is supposedly in the DCEU.
Black Mask is about the only other more known villain they haven't yet adapted into a mob boss thing. Unless, the implication is that once he shows up in GCS, he'll be discarded from henceforth.

They'll never use time travel and cloned monsters in Batman films, action and crime thrillers will be where its at. They'll keep monsters and time travel to Flash and Wonder Woman. You can bet on it and they're not going to bring Damian just to bring a D lister like Heretic. There is ofcourse a good chance that Damian might show up in DCEU but I guarantee you it wont be because they have a crush on Heretic. Damian requires commitment beyond one film and one D list villain.
Batfleck is far from Batgod, people dont understand what Batgod is or what he represents. They just go Batgod everytime Batman wins a fight. If Batfleck was Batgod then Batman and Superman wouldn't have fought to begin with unless Superman was mindcontrolled. Prometheus is a parody of the idea that Batman is a pitch perfect human being. Batfleck was losing marbles at Martha, drinking booze and bedding women left and right. That's far cry from the highly disciplined Batgod.
If GCS starts shooting later this year or early next year and if the Batman starts shooting early next year than it stands to reason that Black Mask will be the main villain of only one of them.

 

[2kt09]

They'll never use time travel and cloned monsters in Batman films, action and crime thrillers will be where its at. They'll keep monsters and time travel to Flash and Wonder Woman. You can bet on it and they're not going to bring Damian just to bring a D lister like Heretic. There is of course a good chance that Damian might show up in DCEU but I guarantee you it wont be because they have a crush on Heretic. Damian requires commitment beyond one film and one D list villain.
Batfleck is far from Batgod, people don't understand what Batgod is or what he represents. They just go Batgod everytime Batman wins a fight. If Batfleck was Batgod then Batman and Superman wouldn't have fought to begin with unless Superman was mind controlled. Prometheus is a parody of the idea that Batman is a pitch perfect human being. Batfleck was losing marbles at Martha, drinking booze and bedding women left and right. That's far cry from the highly disciplined Batgod.
If GCS starts shooting later this year or early next year and if the Batman starts shooting early next year than it stands to reason that Black Mask will be the main villain of only one of them.

I can't be sure. Matt Reeves is still the guy known for doing Cloverfield and the rest of that Apes trilogy.
That's what would make Promotheus all the more palatable. He has all those successful encounters regardless of how reckless (that is in fact in reference to Batfleck), but still more mentally composed I guess wherein those reckless feats are more strategic than coincidental.
That's also how I'd gather Deathstroke to be.
I'd wager Black Mask could still play a more substantive role on the Batman solo even if ends up as the main baddie on GCS. Heck, he could very much still be "anti-Batman" on GCS if that's where the story veers.

 

[Omegabat]

I can't be sure. Matt Reeves is still the guy known for doing Cloverfield and the rest of that Apes trilogy.
That's what would make Promotheus all the more palatable. He has all those successful encounters regardless of how reckless (that is in fact in reference to Batfleck), but still more mentally composed I guess wherein those reckless feats are more strategic than coincidental.
That's also how I'd gather Deathstroke to be.
I'd wager Black Mask could still play a more substantive role on the Batman solo even if ends up as the main baddie on GCS. Heck, he could very much still be "anti-Batman" on GCS if that's where the story veers.

There is a formula to Batman that I dont see WB straying away from quite a while. Crime, terrorism,psychological film etc. At best I can see them branching in to horror with a psychological edge. Guys like Clayface and Man-Bat will be offered by many other franchises both with in DCEU and outside of it. I can see them as opening fodder but as lead villains? nah.
Again Prometheus gimmick is that he has plans to take down people like JL. He is toothless in a Batman film? I actually like the character btw.
Anti-Batman refers to characters who dedicate their minds and bodies in to the pursuit of one singleminded goal. These characters are Batman's equals conceptually ,they just exist on the other side.
Black Mask is not that guy, he's a weak willed thug who's not particularly good at anything except maybe torture.

 

[Rorschach2012]

The casting of Manganiello as Deathstroke is perfect, but I never wanted Deathstroke to be the main villain of a Batman movie.

They should make Deathstroke the villain of the Nightwing movie

And The Batman should have Red Hood and Joker as the villains

 

[Slade W]

We have seen lots of Batman's biggest villains in movies at this stage, and most of the well known ones. What I would like to see them do is take one that a bad job was done with (i.e. Riddler or Mr Freeze) and do them again, but better this time, of course. I wouldn't mind seeing Riddler being based on his Zero Year version. If they are not going to use one that was already seen, they could use the Court of Owls, who are new and very good. They could also go the mystery route, like Long Halloween and Dark Victory, and have a mysterious killer who is not one of Batman's big villains. A story where Batman is trying to uncover the identity of a mysterious killer is my preferred option, but it is unlikely to happen IMO.

 

[Omegabat]

I'm in favor of Hugo Strange and Professor Pyg as villains. Hugo as the main idea and Pyg as a sub boss.
They can mix some elements of the Dr Hurt character in to Hugo and we're set. Also Hugo in the comics is a well built man who trains his body regularly so he wont be totally helpless in a fight either. Hugo imo offers the total package now, he works on every level as a villain. Pyg can be one of his patients and maybe they can throw in others as well for instance a Scarecrow partnership.
Second choice is Riddler
Third is Joker in an Arkham Asylum setting.