: BEST MOVIE OF THE 21st CENTURY: DECADE ONE/YEAR TWO - 2001

[Sarge 2.0]

No, just people with eclectic/esoteric/niche' tastes. Hey some stuff like that appeals to me from time-to-time, but you'll never see me saying in the 2002 poll that Punch Drunk Love is better than TTT, since it wasn't(even though I adore PDL).

Fair enough, but the term "artsy fartsy" is so dismissive and it's often used by people who think Bad Boys II is the best movie ever.

But hey, I'm a wacky college student with socialist leanings who listens to indie bands no one has ever heard of. I could be artsy fartsy.

 

[kedrell]

That's not. how. quality. works. I could almost guarantee that 10 out of 10 totally random people on the street have never heard of "Aguirre, the Wrath of God". It's still one of the greatest movies ever made.

Wrong. Without enough exposure to a wide enough audience, all you can say it that it's(or any other movie in it's place) one of the greatest films ever made to you and the few who saw it. That's all that can be determined. General consensus is very relevant.

 

[JRPJCDJC]

Film quality is not a boxing match.

Yes it is. Didn't anyone ever tell you 'it's all the same?'

x1000000000000

That's not. how. quality. works. I could almost guarantee that 10 out of 10 totally random people on the street have never heard of "Aguirre, the Wrath of God". It's still one of the greatest movies ever made.

It is thought to be so because it is shared amongst less people because it can't 'feed' as many people - there's less substance there. Quit over analyzing things. Crocodile Dundee is feedin' more people - it's a beast, it's better.

The holocaust doesn't shine brightly. It's a black spot on the history of humanity. The fact that people are widely aware of something does NOT mean it "shines brightly".

YES IT DOES! Pfft, black spot on humanity? It's a fact! That's how this planet is and NO PLANET I'M FROM HAS BLACKSPOTS! You need to realize that you, or me, or anyone else are more likely to be a mistake than the much larger holocaust was.

I'm stopping now before I get banned.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Wrong. Without enough exposure to a wide enough audience, all you can say it that it's(or any other movie in it's place) one of the greatest films ever made to you and the few who saw it. That's all that can be determined. General consensus is very relevant.

Aguirre has been seen by tons and tons of people. But the average blue collar American has never heard of it. It's still one of the greatest movies ever made. If you saw it, you'd agree. Quality has nothing to do with the general populous' consensus. If it did then Titantic would be considered a better movie than Nashville.

 

[Laderlappen]

Great idea for a thread. Wrong user to make it. Title says 'Best movie' but OP seems to mean something else.

Also, it seems like the term "artsy fartsy" is almost always used to describe people with good taste.

by people with bad taste.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Yes it is. Didn't anyone ever tell you 'it's all the same?'



It is thought to be so because it is shared amongst less people because it can't 'feed' as many people - there's less substance there. Quit over analyzing things. Crocodile Dundee is feedin' more people - it's a beast, it's better.


YES IT DOES! Pfft, black spot on humanity? It's a fact! That's how this planet is and NO PLANET I'M FROM HAS BLACKSPOTS! You need to realize that you, or me, or anyone else are more likely to be a mistake than the much larger holocaust was.

I'm stopping now before I get banned.

Saying that genocide isn't a black spot on humanity is just...really, really stupid.

Again, how old are you?

 

[Sarge 2.0]

by people with bad taste.

Exactly.

 

[kedrell]

Aguirre has been seen by tons and tons of people. But the average blue collar American has never heard of it. It's still one of the greatest movies ever made. If you saw it, you'd agree. Quality has nothing to do with the general populous' consensus. If it did then Titantic would be considered a better movie than Nashville.

Your average anybody has never heard of it, Nashville too. Question: How do you determine if a film is among the greatest ever made without most people having weighed in on it?

I agree that quality has nothing to do with general populous consensus, but we're not just talking about quality now are we? We're talking about ranking films among the best ever made and w/o a large enough statistical sample, I don't see how anyone could make the argument stick that such and such little known film is definitely in that pantheon.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Your average anybody has never heard of it, Nashville too. Question: How do you determine if a film is among the greatest ever made without most people having weighed in on it?

I agree that quality has nothing to do with general populous consensus, but we're not just talking about quality now are we? We're talking about ranking films among the best ever made and w/o a large enough statistical sample, I don't see how anyone could make the argument stick that such and such little known film is definitely in that pantheon.

A lot of people have heard of Nashville.

It was nominated for Best Picture and it was chosen by freaking Library of Congress as one of the most significant American movies ever.

The Library of Congress dude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Registry

Scroll down to the "N's".
Aguirre isn't little known. Maybe in the microcosm of the average American. But most people with any sort of cultural literacy have heard of it.

 

[JRPJCDJC]

Your average anybody has never heard of it, Nashville too. Question: How do you determine if a film is among the greatest ever made without most people having weighed in on it?

I agree that quality has nothing to do with general populous consensus, but we're not just talking about quality now are we? We're talking about ranking films among the best ever made and w/o a large enough statistical sample, I don't see how anyone could make the argument stick that such and such little known film is definitely in that pantheon.

Thank you.

 

[kedrell]

Fair enough, but the term "artsy fartsy" is so dismissive and it's often used by people who think Bad Boys II is the best movie ever.

I agree the term is often over used, or misused.

But hey, I'm a wacky college student with socialist leanings who listens to indie bands no one has ever heard of. I could be artsy fartsy.

That doesn't suprise me. You and I are probably about as far apart from each other in that sense as you can get while still residing on the same planet. But that's what gives life it's spice, variety.

 

[kedrell]

A lot of people have heard of Nashville.

It was nominated for Best Picture and it was chosen by freaking Library of Congress as one of the most significant American movies ever.

The Library of Congress dude.

Scroll down to the "N's".
Aguirre isn't little known. Maybe in the microcosm of the average American. But most people with any sort of cultural literacy have heard of it.

I'd bet close to 10 out of 10 people you stopped on the street just about anywhere in America or Europe will have never heard of Nashville. Aguirre is most likely the same way(except probably in Germany and Austria). I am not saying that they are not "great movies". What I am saying is that they haven't had enough exposure over-all to really be in the running with much more well known films that still managed to be liked/loved by a vast majority of the people who saw them. To me, that is a fundamental requirement for any film to be in the "greatest films of all time" range.

 

[DACrowe]

so...onto 2002, then?

 

[Sarge 2.0]

I'd bet close to 10 out of 10 people you stopped on the street just about anywhere in America or Europe will have never heard of Nashville. Aguirre is most likely the same way(except probably in Germany and Austria). I am not saying that they are not "great movies". What I am saying is that they haven't had enough exposure over-all to really be in the running with much more well known films that still managed to be liked/loved by a vast majority of the people who saw them. To me, that is a fundamental requirement for any film to be in the "greatest films of all time" range.

I would bet 4 or 5 out of 10 have at least heard of Nashville. 3 or 4 may have seen it.

 

[kedrell]

^I think that's highly, highly optimistic. This is the first time it's ever come up in a conversation for me....ever. And I ain't no spring chicken.

 

[Episode29]

This thread is officially epic.

"Holocaust burns brightly" = sig-worthy

JRPJCDJC must be a joke, because there is no way in hell that his posts could be written by someone with anything approaching a sane mind.

 

[Laderlappen]

The average Joe have seen very little so called 'art-films'. The only movies that has a huge audience are blockbuster movies. And very little blovkbuster films can be called some of the best films ever. The movies Sarge used as examples are some of the bigger more famous actually. Its a catch 22. These movies arent exposed enough to be called some of the best ever, and the movies that are are not good enough.

Have no idea how we came into this discussion.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

The average Joe have seen very little so called 'art-films'. The only movies that has a huge audience are blockbuster movies. And very little blovkbuster films can be called some of the best films ever. The movies Sarge used as examples are some of the bigger more famous actually. Its a catch 22. These movies arent exposed enough, and the movies that are are not good enough.

Yeah.

Hell, "I'm Easy" from Nashville won Best Song at the Oscars and crossed over to the pop charts to become something of a hit. The American Film Institute also listed it as one of the top 100 songs from 100 movies.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

This thread is officially epic.

"Holocaust burns brightly" = sig-worthy

JRPJCDJC must be a joke, because there is no way in hell that his posts could be written by someone with anything approaching a sane mind.

"Joe Dirt is a Beast of a movie" is also pretty freaking great.

 

[kedrell]

The average Joe have seen very little so called 'art-films'. The only movies that has a huge audience are blockbuster movies. And very little blovkbuster films can be called some of the best films ever. The movies Sarge used as examples are some of the bigger more famous actually. Its a catch 22. These movies arent exposed enough to be called some of the best ever, and the movies that are are not good enough.

"Average Joes" make up 99.9% of the movie-going public. I agree that very little percentage-wise of the total number of blockbusters out there would qualify for "greatest films of all time" status. However, most films that DO fall into that category still happen to be blockbusters. Blockbusters probably make up like 90% of that range.

Have no idea how we came into this discussion.

Someone dissed FOTR in favor of Mulholland Dr., so I responded.

 

[Episode29]

"Joe Dirt is a Beast of a movie" is also pretty freaking great.

Yeah, I cracked up pretty bad when I read that. I honestly think this is all a big joke though. That, or the dude's 14.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Yeah, I cracked up pretty bad when I read that. I honestly think this is all a big joke though. That, or the dude's 14.

Just remember, you or I are most likely to make a "mistake" WORSE than the Holocaust!

 

[Episode29]

Does that mean that we shine brightly?

 

[Kane52630]

LOTR will win the next 3 polls

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Not just "brightly" but BIGGER and BRIGHTER and BETTER!