Birds of Prey Birds of Prey General Discussion and Speculation

I don't care for the Birds of Prey comics so I have no real attachments to these characters (except Cassandra Cain) but I still found this movie to be forgettable. This movie feels like a rehash from Deadpool or GOTG as the plot and the main characters of Birds of Prey are very similiar to the two movies that I've mentioned.
 
Personally, while I have expectations about a movie based on my history with the property, and while that can affect my interest in the movie or cause me to complain and be disappointed whether I see it or not, if I do see it I'll judge it on its merits.

Anyway, complaining about source accuracy isn't specifically a comic book thing. Fans of the Fifty Shades novels petitioned for Charlie Hunnam not to play the lead. And if we're going to talk about whiny fan behavior, complaining about the existence of remakes to films/properties you're done with, anyway, is way more whiny than complaining about changes within movies you want to see. I mean, which is worse, a customer at a restaurant who's picky about the food they get served, or a customer who doesn't want food on the menu they don't like that others do? Like, if they make a new type of Whopper to exist alongside the original, and some complained that it was disrespectful to the Whopper, I wouldn't take that complaint seriously. Yet if they remade Goodfellas or Pretty Woman or whatever sort of movie you can think of that's not geeky, people would be s****ing themselves. It's not a comic book thing or even a geek thing, it's a fandom thing. Fans b**** about stuff.
 
Bingo.

The mainstream critics just want a good movie. Whatever kind of movie that is. Geek fans want a good movie that falls in line with what they know of the comics/characters. Like I’ve seen a ton of fans complaining how they butchered Cassie Cain and seemingly based their whole opinion of the movie around that feeling. Which is fine - we all have different things we’re looking for in a movie. But the regular critics don’t care one iota about that. At all. Plus, I mentioned this a few days ago, but I think given the state of CBM’s today vs how they were 20+ years ago, CBM fans want their CBM’s to be a certain kind of way these days because of how long it took for what they like to get taken seriously by the mainstream. So any movie that doesn’t toe the current genre line (and I think WW84 might fall into this category as well) is gonna get sneered at by a certain portion of the CBM fandom, regardless of its overall quality.

is that really it though? Maybe. I’m seeing a lot of people like Stuckmann etc complaints being the storytelling and how its so chaotic and scattershot because of how Harley is. And as someone whose seen the movie i concur it can come off as sloppy pacing. I think thats a big sticking point for a lot of people. Thats why im surprised mainstream critics arent picking apart that aspect more.
 
Personally thought there were peaks and valleys.

Agree 100% concerning the evidence room fight scene that was super inventive and the best use of a baseball bat I have ever seen in a live action fight scene. Her almost Daredevil-esque moment of bouncing it off the ground in to one of the goons was awesome.

But then there is the final fight at the fun house that I have to be honest I thought was pretty darn awful, it just felt jarring and it just didn't come off as very good at all imo, like I think some of the scenes and different props were meant to play for laughs I think but they largely just fell really flat in my screening.



I will have you know I look nothing like comic book guy lol and found the movie average at best.

In fact, you were reasonable in commenting on why you didn't like the movie. I'm not talking about people, like you, who discuss movies in a civil way.

The takeaway in this is: you also don't SOUND like the Comic Book Guy. Many do.
 
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is that really it though? Maybe. I’m seeing a lot of people like Stuckmann etc complaints being the storytelling and how its so chaotic and scattershot because of how Harley is. And as someone whose seen the movie i concur it can come off as sloppy pacing. I think thats a big sticking point for a lot of people. Thats why im surprised mainstream critics arent picking apart that aspect more.
Because it works, imo. Scattershot story is not a flaw when done well, and I and those critics think it was here for the most part. Mileage varies of course, but in no way do I think that is “the big turnoff” for the geek community. Not by a long shot.
 
is that really it though? Maybe. I’m seeing a lot of people like Stuckmann etc complaints being the storytelling and how its so chaotic and scattershot because of how Harley is. And as someone whose seen the movie i concur it can come off as sloppy pacing. I think thats a big sticking point for a lot of people. Thats why im surprised mainstream critics arent picking apart that aspect more.
I think here’s also an element here of “film as a visual experience” vs “film as a storytelling medium,” mixing with a bit for he dichotomy among some comic fans caused by the different characters and the different types of stories that would favor them.

It’s also important to keep in mind that it’s a critically approved film without necessarily being a critically adored film.

I think most professional critics are viewing the film in this light: “A visually delightful mad-cap adventure that’s a throwback to old grindhouse films with an anarchic side to it!” which the film would succeed at pretty easily, even if that’s a somewhat limiting premise to *some* viewers.

But I also think that some comic fans aren’t necessarily being picky for picky’s sake, as much as they know the characters enough to know that the BoP don’t really fit the story that well, aren’t maximized to their potential as they would in a different type of movie, and find the dissonance between the Harley part of the film and the BoP part offputting.

I mean, I’d be down for a grindhouse BoP film, or a grindhouse Cassandra Cain film... but here, their just supporting roles to a Harley centered story, creating a break between fans who find that their Harley film is interrupted by a lackluster BoP story, and some BoP fans finding their BoP movie held back and halted by a Harley Quinn movie.

I think it’s a film comfortable in its directorial vision, which goes a long way. But that directorial vision is a bit more “artsy” than necessarily mainstream,a or comic book fan tastes.
 
In fact, you were reasonable in commenting on why you didn't like the movie. I'm not talking about people, like you, who discuss movies in a civil way.

The takeaway in this is: you also don't SOUND like the Comic Book Guy. Many do.

I hear ya I’m just pokin fun:funny:
 

Thats interesting but i think thats a very small anecdotal sample size. Margot’s Harley was front and center all over the marketing for this and the main selling point, i dont see how you could not know this is a movie heavily featuring Harley Quinn. To me thats like people saying, “wait i didnt know BATMAN was in Justice League! They should have named it “Batman: Justice League” and I would’ve bought a ticket!”
 
Yeah, I don't think the majority of the moviegoing public were unaware it was a Harley Quinn movie.

I do have my doubts of Harley Quinn's appeal as a character beyond her look, but that could just be my bias talking as I'm on record with my general dislike for her and the fact that this movie was the first time I've ever even kinda liked her.
 
Yeah, I don't think the majority of the moviegoing public were unaware it was a Harley Quinn movie.

I do have my doubts of Harley Quinn's appeal as a character beyond her look, but that could just be my bias talking as I'm on record with my general dislike for her and the fact that this movie was the first time I've ever even kinda liked her.

No doubt WB overestimated Harley’s popularity. They advertised this movie as if this was the follow up to “that movie you all loved last time!” and assumed people were dying to see what the next chapter was for Harley Quinn. The way they SHOULD have advertised this movie was as a re-introduction to the character to induct all of the skeptics.
 
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Welp, I'm doing my part and heading for a 2nd viewing this afternoon. All we fans can do is keep supporting it and hope it can find a 2nd life either through surprisingly long legs at the box office or on blu-ray/streaming.
Yeah this is what we can do as fans to make the best of the situation. Watching Harley is so much fun that I should do it whenever I need a pick-me-up.
 
No doubt WB overestimated Harley’s popularity. They advertised this movie as if this was the follow up to “that movie you all loved last time!” and assumed people were dying to see what the next chapter was for Harley Quinn. The way they SHOULD have advertised this movie was as a re-introduction to the character to induct all of the skeptics.
Harley Quinn is popular with comic fans. The GA only have Suicide Squad Harley to go off who isn’t that great, and some poor trailers. This feels like a big missed opportunity as I bet a bunch of the GA who won’t see this might have liked it.
 
Harley Quinn is popular with comic fans. The GA only have Suicide Squad Harley to go off who isn’t that great, and some poor trailers. This feels like a big missed opportunity as I bet a bunch of the GA who won’t see this might have liked it.

If DC brand was strong, more people would have given this a chance.

Edit: It would be ironic if Harley Quinn's popularity (and character awareness) increases after James Gunn's "The Suicide Squad" movie, just like his movie made Nebula and Mantis more popular.

Maybe, WB should have released BoP after Gunn's TSS movie. (which is coming next year.)
 
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I will just mention that youtube nerd reviewers also have a fanbase they have to keep in mind.
 
Put Batman and Joker in this movie and it makes 3 times as much as it has.
 
Put Batman and Joker in this movie and it makes 3 times as much as it has.
I think those characters were off limits. Jared Leto doesn't seem interested in returning as the Joker or WB don't want him back and WB are saving Batman for the upcoming solo film directed by Matt Reeves.
 
Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn on set of ‘The Suicide Squad’ (Currently filming in Panama.)

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Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn on set of ‘The Suicide Squad’ (Currently filming in Panama.)

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Hopefully its better than BoP and miles better than the first Suicide Squad. First GOTG is still one of my favourite Marvel films so hopefully Gunn can do it again.
 
She' still having the same tattoos as she had in Ayer's SS and BoP. (which shows that upcoming movie is not a total reboot as some were claiming.)
 

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