The Dark Knight BOF: BAT 2 Update

[The Fallen]

Batman should never think the Joker is funny - especially after he just shot and paralyzed Barbara, and tortured his friend.

Yeah. Kinda dumb really. That's like The Joker being all brooding and serious, doesn't feel right.

 

[StorminNorman]

usually when they report something it's pretty legitimate. the only time they've screwed up was when jett started all of those bull**** lachy hulme/paul bettany rumors. he really dropped the ball on that one.

Actually if you go back and read all the updates one of his sources (which he said was very good) said Bettany was out of it after all his villian roles (of course I never wanted to believe it ). Then he never had real credible stuff on Lachy Hulme, and it still possible he was a candidate. I really think Heath Ledger was something done by Nolan all the way and very few people outside of the WB bass and Nolans inner circle knew about.

 

[StorminNorman]

Yeah. Kinda dumb really. That's like The Joker being all brooding and serious, doesn't feel right.

Thats why I feel TKJ is a fairly overrated book

 

[$G-mOnEy$]

Some of their reports still annoy me though. A lot of times it seems like Jett only reports on and supports the people that he wants to play certain roles (Hulme and Schreiber, for example).

 

[The Fallen]

Thats why I feel TKJ is a fairly overrated book

It's OK. I didn't like the comedian bit, but I do like the 'one bad day' bit and the trying to make Gordon insane to prove a point to Batman. I also didn't like the chemicals = insane equasion. Hopefully that's not the case in BB2

I'm getting a copy of 'The Man Who Laughs' one shot today so maybe that might have a better origin...

 

[The Only Woj]

Trivia time!

^ Hulme didn't test -- I've never reported that, so let's get what I say straight. He MET with Charles Roven and there were plans to test later this year. Frankly, I don't know if Ledger was test -- I don't think so.

There's a whole lot more that I know that I'm not allowed to say, sorry, that's the way it works. Now, I can say that there was a desire to cast -- well, let me put it this way -- they didn't want to go with a complete unknown. That was what Hulme was up against, not that he's "crap."

From what I heard, all liked him very much, it came down to being an unknown and it was too risky for such a big film. Don't agree totally, but I certainly understand.

It also looks like my sources were correct in regards to Bettany -- too much "been there, done that" with him.

Rockwell wanted it BAD and was lobbying hard for the role.

Robin Williams was never in the mix, nor was Brody, or Glover. I think they looked HARD at Weaving, Jude Law, and Hulme.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

When was that posted??

 

[StorminNorman]

Some of their reports still annoy me though. A lot of times it seems like Jett only reports on and supports the people that he wants to play certain roles (Hulme and Schreiber, for example).

I dont see that, and thats what I like about Jett. He reports everything he hears. He tells us a bit about what he thinks about the source he gets it from, but he normally does tell us about it. He was giving out just as much Hulme stuff as he was Bettany and infact more Lucas stuff than Schreiber.

 

[StorminNorman]

Trivia time!

That is very intresting...

I feel like such a fool

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

That is very intresting...

I feel like such a fool

Well if that is fairly recent I think it possibly might go along with my theory that WB wanted a name to play the Joker considering the disappointing numbers SR got with Routh as the lead.

 

[StorminNorman]

Well if that is fairly recent I think it possibly might go along with my theory that WB wanted a name to play the Joker considering the disappointing numbers SR got with Routh as the lead.

Well it seems like Ledger has been Nolan's guy for a while...

 

[GEDRedemption]

we don't know that forsure, all Gordon Said was

Take this guy for instance, he's got a taste for theatrics too..... (then he shows him a Joker Card)

it was nothing more then forshadowing........ Jack Napier had a "Lucky" deck of cards in the 1989 version, but he never called himself the Joker untill after the accident, how do we know that this guy doesn't just leave a playing card on his victims, as a way of "marking his territory" or something...

Well, first off, Nolan wouldn't go anywhere near Burton's Joker. Second the card was found and logged by J. Napier. You can see this on the evidence bag that Gordan hands Batman. No Napier in Batman "Continues".

 

[The Fallen]

^ WRONG! J.Kerr was the name on the evidence baggie... and it was just a nod, nothing more.

 

[MJZ]

Well if that is fairly recent I think it possibly might go along with my theory that WB wanted a name to play the Joker considering the disappointing numbers SR got with Routh as the lead.

Bale is the "lead" of the Batman franchise, and BB did just fine despite him not being a "name" actor.

SR was just a shoddy picture.

I recall one of Jett's numerous "updates" saying that they wanted an unknown for Joker and that his role in the film would be rather minor.

This is what he does, and for him it's a pretty win-win situation. Put out a ton of "rumors" and if something does shake then he can say ad infinitum (*as reported by BOF on 2/3/33* blah blah) and the misses (and there are many) are never spoken of again.

 

[StorminNorman]

Bale is the "lead" of the Batman franchise, and BB did just fine despite him not being a "name" actor.

SR was just a shoddy picture.

I recall one of Jett's numerous "updates" saying that they wanted an unknown for Joker and that his role in the film would be rather minor.

This is what he does, and for him it's a pretty win-win situation. Put out a ton of "rumors" and if something does shake then he can say ad infinitum (*as reported by BOF on 2/3/33* blah blah) and the misses (and there are many) are never spoken of again.

And I wouldnt have it any other way. People like to ***** about the fact that a lot of BOF's info is wrong - and it is, but in most cases Jett tells us if the source is a non-proven source. Plus if Jett didnt report everything (or most of the stuff) he hears, then this board would of been completely dead since last September.

 

[Dark Knight]

thats one thing about Jetts site I don't like either...how is sources like to play games....which fine and dandy....but they seem to make it sound like they are so much in the know...when they are full of BS. pROVIDING DISINFORMATION...

Overall I still like Jetts site...I have for the last 7 years.


I want to hear more about what actors are being looked at for Dent, Penguin, Maroni, Thompkins, Quinzel, Sionis, and maaaaaaybe Talia? Enough with the Joker info....we already have enough of that. On to the other stuff we need to know...

 

[Katsuro]

I'm unhappy about the Joker origin, but everything else seems great. I really like the idea of a Joker that just appears out of nowhere, unexplained.

Let me say this, if the Joker is not actually "The Joker" at the point of the Batman Begins end conversation, I will be unbelievably upset. I absolutley HATE the idea of some guy using a Joker card to kill people, then being turned into a clown. Far too coincidental. It's about as bad as Mr. Freeze's real name being Mr. Fries (always hated that).

Also, if we have to see him before he becomes the Joker (in flash backs), I'd prefer him to not already be a murderer. One of my gripes with B'89 is the fact that the chemical bath didn't really seem to change Jack Napier's character all that much. I mean, he changed his name and sorta adopted this new persona, but it didn't really drive him to become more of a criminal than he already was. I liked the TKJ idea that he was just some guy, who after an unbelievably bad day just went nuts beyond recognition. He shouldn't be nuts before the fact. Of course, the TKJ origin creates sympathy for the character, which only really works in the comics. TKJ came out decades after Joker's first appearance, so we already had time to develop hatred for the character. Finding out he used to be a normal guy was kinda interesting after all these years, but you shouldnt' find it out in his introduction story.

But if they want to go the origin route, best way would be through flashbacks that occur as Batman tries to dig into this guys history. Halfway through the movie, we finally meet him as he makes his big grand reveal. Still though, I'd prefer no origin.

 

[The Fallen]

But I still don't understand how being dunked in a vat of chemicals makes one insane? People just don't snap and break like that.

 

[Revovler]

It's OK. I didn't like the comedian bit, but I do like the 'one bad day' bit and the trying to make Gordon insane to prove a point to Batman. I also didn't like the chemicals = insane equasion. Hopefully that's not the case in BB2

I'm getting a copy of 'The Man Who Laughs' one shot today so maybe that might have a better origin...

The Man Who Laughs is not really an origin tale. It is about Batman's first encounter with the Joker and it references TKJ. Still TMWL is one of my favorite books and to me is the climax of TKJ. Also I hope in Batman 2 it takes a lot from TMWL.

 

[Katsuro]

But I still don't understand how being dunked in a vat of chemicals makes one insane? People just don't snap and break like that.

What about having your pregnant wife killed in the exact same day? That might help it a bit.

 

[Boom]

What about having your pregnant wife killed in the exact same day? That might help it a bit.

Yep. That should probably do the trick.

 

[Octoberist]

Is it me or is 'The Man who Laughs" really hard to find in stores..

 

[Darknightnomis]

What about having your pregnant wife killed in the exact same day? That might help it a bit.

Not to mention that you are force to participate in a crime that was now a moot point with the death of your wife and then it gets botch up and you're shot at by the cops and your life is threatend by the same people that force you to commit the crime in the first place and THEN you fall in that vat of chemicals only to re-emerge with a perminant clown face.

I think that will do it for most people.

 

[War Party]

Is it me or is 'The Man who Laughs" really hard to find in stores..

It isn't you. I can't find it anywhere.

 

[raybia]

Not to mention that you are force to participate in a crime that was now a moot point with the death of your wife and then it gets botch up and you're shot at by the cops and your life is threatend by the same people that force you to commit the crime in the first place and THEN you fall in that vat of chemicals only to re-emerge with a perminant clown face.

I think that will do it for most people.

It did for me. Heh

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