Bone claws!?

[CaptainClown]

He could still be a monster even without claws, I mean a kid with regeneration powers would be quite a punk if he is taking advantage of it

 

[Savage]

Yeah but I just don't think it works as well. There was this whole sub-plot about Wolverine having an older brother who died and left 3 scars on his mother's side. When Wolverine pops em out and kills his real father with them, she has a complete mental breakdown and offs herself with a shotgun. He kills his father by accident by the way (trying to punch him in the stomach) so no I don't think a knife would work just as well.

Plus those same claws were used to kill Rose (who was pretty much pushed onto them). The whole point is that the claws are his and all his and everything that comes with them is his responsibility. Weapon X isn't responsible anymore. It's all Logan (or James. Whatever. Logan was his dad's name anyway).

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

Wolverine's character has always been a mystery... that is a big part of the draw of the character. If anything, giving him an origin depreciates the character... it approves/disproves your assumptions/imagination of his past... it has always been referenced that he was an "animal" (or "monster", as you stated) for most of his life... I don't see how forgotten memories are essential to his current character... if he knows his own origin, it is no longer a mystery to him... and if you tell people everything about a character they will lose interest... as I have done (as he is no longer my second favorite X-Man)

My point is this: (In my opinion, at least) Wolverine was a far more interesting character before they gave him an origin... knowing what happened to him kind of negates the mystery and the character's own personal struggles.

Let me put my thoughts into a more simplistic statement relating directly to the film (and also to the topic of this thread)... If Wolverine is shown at the beginning with bone claws... it will reduce the anticipation of finally seeing him with the claws later in the film.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

...also, like you said, his origin "has become" essential to the character... but they weren't always... Wolverine has long been a popular character (hence the idea to create an "Origins" series) and his origin at that time was not essential to the Logan that was at that time depicted.

 

[CaptainClown]

I would actually want his origin to be from weapon X on with small flashbacks before that. (shrug)

 

[Savage]

Depends on how they do it. See the bone claws was this big shocking reveal in the comics after Magneto removed his adamantium. His entire origin should be a big shocking suprise in the movie along with the reveal of his bone claws. I don't think the movie will have a linear form where it goes from his origin to right before he meets Rogue. That's kind of a huge leap from the 19th century to the 21st. His origin will probably be done through flashback throughout the movie and that's the best way to do it imo because that produces the most shock value (well for those that have not read the comics).

See now your opinion on what makes the character great is just that. An opinion. I like the character for...well...his character. His personality. The way he does things. Just being an all around badass. The mystery is just extra and makes him even more interesting. Wether his past is a mystery or not he's still the best at what he does and his comics are good reads.

 

[not_a_victim]

He has bone claws, because in the first X-men movie, the x-rays of wolverine's body showed his entire adimantium skeleton, the clws were coneected to the rest of the skeleton and Prof. X said that all his bone were laced with adimantium. No mention of claws being artificial.

Right, but you could clearly see the mechanism in his arm that held the claws in place. It looked like a couple of braclets that went around his arms. There was clearly a mechanism there.
It depends on how far back in his origin they go. If its starts just prior to Weapon X program, I don't think they show the bone claws. If they go back to when he first presented his powers, like they did with some of the other characters, then it would be cool.
And Logan's memory has NOTHING to do with how it's presented. Either he remembers having bone claws or he doesn't, but that doesn't mean we cant see it.

 

[Savage]

Well as soon as he got the adamantium he pretty much forgot he even had the bone claws so there you go. I honestly don't know how they are going to do this because clearly after the experiment he freaked and ran off and we know what happened after that. No recollection of Sabretooth or anything. I doubt that this movie will just be Wolverine running around with no claws so I'm sure that they'll use the bone ones.

 

[not_a_victim]

I don't, nor have I ever, liked the idea of the bone claws. It never made much sense to me especially with the way wolverine's claws are in the forearm coming through his knuckles. If he's supposed to be beast like they should be at the tips of his fingers. Also with the length of his claws they would break all the time as bone is not so strong. Granted it would heal but it would still hurt.

I hated the Origin comics, I didn't like the mystique it took away from the Wolvie character. Plus it was kind of pointless since it was like Wolverine was discovering this history it was just presented as a story.

I don't think movie wolverine should have bone claws, they're the wrong shape, they should just have been implants that were given to him. Since he has the healing factor over time it would just become a natural part of his body.

I saw some drawings by a guy who was either a physiologist or a biologist, as well as a comic fan. He took his scientific knowledge and combined it with comic stuff and came up with what comic characters would look like in the "real world".
The one he did for Logan showed that the claws would have to come out of the area where the back of the hand joined the wrist, not anywhere on the hand. ALso, with Logan only being 5'3" tall in the comics, he showed that the claws could not be any longer than 8", and that would be pushing it. He also showed that Logan's healing factor would kill him if he didn't eat huge amounts of food. His body would basically die of starvation trying to heal from big injuries quickly.
It was pretty cool, as he did it for different characters.
He showed how Angel could not have wings in his back and actually fly. His wings would either have to replace his arms or be part of his arms, and either way, his pecs, delts and lats would have to be huuuuuge to get himself off the ground. He would also need that hollow bone structure that birds have, etc.
It was pretty cool. He didn't approach it from a nerdy, "See how impossible it is" standpoint, more of a "Hey, this is what this really should look like" standpoint.
I think it was on Deviantart. If I find it again, I'll post the link.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

See now your opinion on what makes the character great is just that. An opinion. I like the character for...well...his character. His personality. The way he does things. Just being an all around badass. The mystery is just extra and makes him even more interesting. Wether his past is a mystery or not he's still the best at what he does and his comics are good reads.

Although we obviously have varying opinions, I completely agree with what you are saying here. Strictly for the record, though, do we also agree that the bone claws are not "essential" to the character?

 

[Hypestyle]

hmm... interesting.. I hadn't considered whether the plot would be before or after Weapon X... if before, it could have more danger from Logan getting more hurt in battle.. of course, he can't cut through everything with the bone claws..

 

[Savage]

Although we obviously have varying opinions, I completely agree with what you are saying here. Strictly for the record, though, do we also agree that the bone claws are not "essential" to the character?

Well while I agree that essential was not the right word I do think that the bone claws are an important part of the character. The bone claws are essential to his origin is what I should have said.

 

[Legion]

Well while I agree that essential was not the right word I do think that the bone claws are an important part of the character. The bone claws are essential to his origin is what I should have said.

they may be essential in the comic continuity but I personally have no interest in what they choose to do with the wolverine character or the other characters and have not for quite some time.

I am interested in the films however and they may be based on the comic books but that does not mean they need to mirror what the comics have done panel for panel. As far as we know the last X-men film was the last stand and wolverine did not lose his adamantium nor did anything suggest that his claws were not implants so there is no reason bone claws would be essential to the origin of the film wolverine.

If people like the "origin" story or boneclaws thats fine, but I for one do not want boneclaws in the movie and furthermore no magic swords either.

 

[Savage]

Magic swords?

So you'd prefer his origin changed for the movie? That's funny because people always seem to get up in arms about origin changes in these movies.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

So you'd prefer his origin changed for the movie? That's funny because people always seem to get up in arms about origin changes in these movies.

That's one thing I've noticed about these boards... nobody likes it when the filmmakers stray from the comics... but they all wanna add their two cents on how they would change it if given the chance.

 

[YJ1]

Wolverine's character has always been a mystery... that is a big part of the draw of the character. If anything, giving him an origin depreciates the character... it approves/disproves your assumptions/imagination of his past... it has always been referenced that he was an "animal" (or "monster", as you stated) for most of his life... I don't see how forgotten memories are essential to his current character... if he knows his own origin, it is no longer a mystery to him... and if you tell people everything about a character they will lose interest... as I have done (as he is no longer my second favorite X-Man)

My point is this: (In my opinion, at least) Wolverine was a far more interesting character before they gave him an origin... knowing what happened to him kind of negates the mystery and the character's own personal struggles.

Let me put my thoughts into a more simplistic statement relating directly to the film (and also to the topic of this thread)... If Wolverine is shown at the beginning with bone claws... it will reduce the anticipation of finally seeing him with the claws later in the film.

Best post I've read at the Hype in ages! Well said! Wolverine functions better as a character when the mystery and mystique are in place. Origin and the ongoing Origins books do nothing but crap on a quality character. Immortalizing Marvel's greedy Origin mistake by adapting it to film is wrong on so many levels.

 

[Savage]

It was only a matter of time before Wolverine's origin was told. It's as much of a mistake as Weapon X. You can't just decide "I like this part of his history so that's canon but that sucked so it's not part of the character. He's ruined!". Or do you dislike his history with Weapon X too?

 

[cushe83]

It's funy people keep saying that adding a back story to a character like logan depreciates his value as an enigma and lessens his appeal so their against this film when the fact of the matter is why wouldn't you have a curiosity about how and why a character does what he does how he's become and what drives him. And further more why wouldn't you want to see an adaption of this story. Its human nature, every thing can't be left up to speculation especially when a character has been "enigmatic" for over 30 years now. Scince when was story archs and history dirty words especially for a charcter such as wolverine.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, it's about time he got some development if you ask me. Otherwise he was a Clint Eastwood characture (or parody even).

 

[Hypestyle]

hopefully the bone claws will be smooth, and not jagged as is often portrayed.. I always felt that made little sense..

 

[narrows101]

Here's what one of the guys at RopeofSilicon.com would like to see:

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/news.php?id=7623

 

[_BB_]

Yeah, it's about time he got some development if you ask me. Otherwise he was a Clint Eastwood characture (or parody even).

On topic though, I agree with pretty much everything Savage has said about the bone claws and the origin series. Wolverine is a tragic character and what happens in the series really sets in motion how the weak young James Howlett can become such a character. I cant wait to see the bone claw scene on film, it should make for a real strong opening to his origins

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

It's funy people keep saying that adding a back story to a character like logan depreciates his value as an enigma and lessens his appeal so their against this film when the fact of the matter is why wouldn't you have a curiosity about how and why a character does what he does how he's become and what drives him. And further more why wouldn't you want to see an adaption of this story. Its human nature, every thing can't be left up to speculation especially when a character has been "enigmatic" for over 30 years now. Scince when was story archs and history dirty words especially for a charcter such as wolverine.

First of all, you spelled "their" wrong (sorry, I'm an English major... it's a pet peeve.) Also, I never said I was against the film... only creating an explicit backstory for a long-time mysterious character. Obviously, an "origins" series was inevitable due to the curiosity attached to the character but... for some reason it just didn't work for me... a little too specific... I didn't even read the story and I feel that I know everything about the character... why should I continue reading a character that I know inside out... nothing left to surprise me about him... it's all been said... On another note, I am against the boneclaws... but only because it was a cop out that was orchestrated to be a huge revelation after his adamantium was ripped out. Seems a little half-a**ed and, overall, unnecessary... I don't know if they regret it or not... but as far as continuity is concerned it's too late now... the creators used to have "rules" about how many powers and how powerful characters could be... but I guess that's out the window since Wolverine is pretty immortal and has, like, 22 powers (rough estimate, may be an exaggeration).

 

[Savage]

So you only like mysterious characters then? That's a little limited.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

So you only like mysterious characters then? That's a little limited.

That was never stated... the mysteriousness of Wolverine is not even the main "draw" to the character but it is a major character trait and helped to keep him interesting... every character/person/human-in-real-life has unique traits that cause them to be interesting/boring/annoying/whatever...