Bone claws!?

[Chaos Bringer]

Actually not.
I do know the story, but frankly I think it sucks.
And I won't spend any time or money on something I won't like at all.
In my eyes it is a patchwork concept to get the garbage straight that was made with this character.
They might have managed that in an aceptable way.
Toleratable by any NEWBIE,but I will not like it.
Best put the blanket of forgetfulness about the whole bone claw thing and get on with the comics.
Only sad thing that it has to be dragged back to public with a Wolverine prequel.

um, ya, what he said. :heart:

 

[ICXCNIKA]

Going WAAAY back, here goes.
1: The bone claws are reasonably formed, but quite small and thin. But yes, superdense and much stronger than normal bone.
2. Striker sees them when x-raying Logan before the procedure, and goes, "Hmmm, let's make them a little more useful, since everything required is already there. And there's enough space to make the adamantium 'extensions' longer..."
3. The body will REJECT foreign objects, so if Logan starts growing bone spurs, his body will fight and nuetralise them. Get rid of them, in other words. And we know his body is pretty good at protecting itself!
4. This will fit in with Logan replying to Rogue (X1) that it's sore "every time" he uses his claws. Take it a little further and say these slight yet-to-be destroyed bone spurs cause a bit of damage going through his forearm too!
5. Striker could have said "I only gave you claws" for a couple reasons. A) He's making his role far more important. Remember, he wanted Wolverine to come with him (very likely) or B) He's saying he made them useful! See point 1.

I mean, I don't read ANY comics (gasp shock), and trying to say a MUTANT in a world where people can teleport, control metal and turn into an ice man cannot have bone claws? Are you kidding?

Bone claws. Yes.

I agree with this; well said!up:

 

[Spade]

The bone claws are going to be in. The issue now is how they'll they'll look and how big an issue they become for fans of movieverse Wolverine. I don't think it'll be that big of an issue, though I wish they weren't in. The leaked script has them in- which I think is unchangeable at this point- but he only seems to use them in one or slightly more instances. So the adamantium claws will still definitely dominate.

 

[KillerBob]

Marvel has stated that Wolverine's bone claws are naturally sharp and durable enough to cut through most natural substances, including rocks, trees, and most kinds of metal like solid steel.

that's ridiculous.

???

And why the hell is that so ridiculous? You've got a character that has moved fast enough to dodge objects going light speed, taken down the Hulk in 1 on 1 combat, healed from his skeleton in 3 panels, yet you balk at him having a super dense bone structure?!? If you can't accept that Wolverine's normal bone structure is far more dense/durable than normal human bone, then I dont know how you could debate any comic character at all. The fat is Wolverine's bone claws have cut through such materials on MANY occassions:

Uses bone claws to rip through roof of truck:

Rips car door off w/ bone claws:

Punctures metal freezer door w/ bone claws:

Uses bone claws to puncture stone walls as climbing tools:

Cuts Box's armor w/ bone claws:

Bone Claws Wolverine defeats Hercules (superhuman durability) :

Bone Claws are able to put Ms. Marvel (superhuman durability) down:

It may be ridiculous, but you are far more ridiculous for not accepting it.

 

[MoPlaYa]

I would bet my life savings that bone claws will be in this movie

 

[BMM]

Wolverine looked so dumb sometimes during his bone claw phase.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

I personally always thought it was stupid that Wolverine had bone claws. It makes more sense to me that he got them from Weapon X.

Ditto. NO BONE CLAWS!!! For 30 years in the comics his claws came from Weapon X!!! I hate it when they suddenly create new revelations after such a long time... It doesn't make any sense in the comics!!! Won't make any sense in the film!!! ...regardless of X2

 

[crazydawg22]

forget the bone claws

 

[TKing]

forget the bone claws

 

[Heatwave]

No, I haven't read every single one of the 13 pages of this topic. HOWEVER, I would like to offer my own thoughts on this matter:

Wolverine's entire history revolves around the existence of an adamantium skeleton - including retractable claws. While bone claws have been mentioned a number of times throughout the various comics featuring and starring Wolverine, and although bone claws might look pretty cool, I think when they do the movie they should stick with adamantium claws. For one thing, they'd have one hell of a time explaining how his body suddenly got rid of two complete sets of bone structures attached to his hands and wrists just so that he could gain adamantium claws. Maybe it could be explained, but I think it would just be better all-around if they stuck with the story.

Just my two-cents-worth.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

In film continuity, Wolverine shouldn't have bone claws. Giving him bone claws would ruin what was implied in X2. However, I'm sure they're going to go with bone claws, because a Wolverine movie minus claws equals less money for Fox.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

...a Wolverine movie minus claws equals less money for Fox.

I have little doubt that the movie will explain how he got his claws (i.e. the Weapon X program)... how much screen time will he have before they give him claws is the only question left to be answered...

 

[Kritish]

I'm all for it.

 

[Legion]

Really what I liked most about the x-men movies was that they kept the classic wolverine man made claws story. I hate bone claws with a passion and hope they are not in this movie.

Wolverine hated being thought of as a animal and a weapon, the program turned him into both. When wolverine found out he had bone claws it made it seem like his quest to find out the truth behind his claws and his mysterious past seemed in vaine. It seemed like they were trying to transform the character into an actual animal instead of a man with a tragic past.

There are also some continuity errors:
In the comics Wolverine is forced to fight archangel during the X-tinction agenda without his mutant powers, however wolverine is still able to use his claws because they are man made. There are also examples like this in the animated series although not considered a good source.

In the movies rogue absorbs wolverine's power, she gets his healing abilities and "better personality traits" but nope, no bone claws.
Of course stryker says he gave him claws but also introduced deathstrike as a kind of upgraded wolverine. faster, stronger, 10 talons which are longer and sharper. I hate to think this character was just someone who can grow long finger nails and was given adamantium..

One of my favorite quotes from the animated series was when Wolverine and Nightcrawler are talking about God and Wolverine says, "What kind of God would let man do this to me?!" and pops his claws, Nightcrawler responds, "the Lord works in mysterious ways."

Please no bone claws.

 

[Heatwave]

I'm with Legion on this. Like I said, it just wouldn't make any sense to have bone claws - especially due to X2, like Silver Surfer said.

 

[BlackSuitSpidey]

The whole bone claws thing is just ridiculous.

 

[Spider–Man]

Stryker would know if Wolverine had bone claws. He is the one who gave him the adamantium claws in the movies. I don't think Stryker would say he gave Wolverine claws if Wolverine already had bone claws.

Ditto. I mean, he's already got his mutation, the healing factor. I never understood why they wanted to give him a SECOND mutation with the bone claws...stupid.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

^^ Bone claws would be a third... he has healing factor and heightened senses.

...but I agree, I hate the bone claws for that reason (among others)

 

[Chaos Bringer]

Ditto. NO BONE CLAWS!!! For 30 years in the comics his claws came from Weapon X!!! I hate it when they suddenly create new revelations after such a long time... It doesn't make any sense in the comics!!! Won't make any sense in the film!!! ...regardless of X2

X2 is about as IRRELEVANT as the addition of bone claws in the Wolvie comics

i continually barf when i see this

i'd say, though i wasn't there, some boardroom meeting in Marvel had the insistence of moving Wolvie's ciculation further and what better way to do that(short term) than to mess up conituity or KILL the character.

they went and fouled the continuity.

FACT is for over 20 years there was NO BONE CLAWS.

the claws were weapons put into Logan (or the DUMB James Howlett Storyline further BARF) and he's the only one with them as no one else coulda survived the procedure. his mutant ability to heal saved him, but also the great pain of it all drove him further mad.

but don't take my word for it, READ IT IN THE MARVEL BOOKS. you know the ones that were written long before YOU(You-ones who support bone claws) started reading XMen and YOU who support these dumb as dumb bone claws and the Notions of Singer's films being great. phew.

now-i'll be subjected to the newbie nu skool of suckness that obliterates all claremont and byrne did to set up what was ONCE a dope character.

and let's settle this once and for all...

Day of Fututre Past
Sentinel kills Wolvie.
His skeleton Remains.
The claws are not bone, they are adamantium. They are shaped NOTHING AT ALL like the rendition of bone claws that Marvel has LSD'd into the new reality of craptastic reading.

all of sudden thin strips of adamantium have expanded into round bone claws. hmm... i guess when Barry Windsor Smith was working on Marvel Comics Presents he had bone claws too. You know that story right? the real weapon x storyline ? no. of course not.

SUCK.

 

[iron_spartan]

It would be pretty cool to see his bone claws.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Bone claws should be in the movie, why? I've said this many times and I'll say it again, Because they make more sense then having the claws be a product of weapon x.

In the comics, during the Barry Windsor Smith weapon X mini that came out, they explained the claws as a "side effect." That was stated as the official reason Wolverine got his claws (prior to the introduction of them being bone). This didn't make any sense. Mainly because...

1) If they were side effects, how could Wolverine use them? He has to have special muscles in his forearms to push the claws through his hands. If they were merely a side effect he wouldn't have these muscles. Now, if he had always had the claws, then he would have always had the muscles that would retract and extract them from his forearms. That's one reason why Bone claws make sense.

Now, had the Weapon X storyline explained that the claws were advanced cyber technology that allowed Wolverine to mentally activate them, it would have made more sense, but they didn't say this in the comics. Which made for a big loophole, because, as I've said, if the claws were merely a "side effect" there would be no way Wolverine could use them because he would have no way to push them out of his forearms.

The bone claws made more sense then the explanation for Wolverine's claws that were in the comics, and I see no reason why they shouldn't be in the movie, or why they hurt the character.

Day of Fututre Past
Sentinel kills Wolvie.
His skeleton Remains.
The claws are not bone, they are adamantium. They are shaped NOTHING AT ALL like the rendition of bone claws that Marvel has LSD'd into the new reality of craptastic reading.

all of sudden thin strips of adamantium have expanded into round bone claws. hmm... i guess when Barry Windsor Smith was working on Marvel Comics Presents he had bone claws too. You know that story right? the real weapon x storyline ? no. of course not.

SUCK.

In DOFP, it does not show if Wolverine's claws are bone or Adamantium, because of the fact that his ENTIRE SKELETON is covered in adamantium, so you can't see the bone under the metal. And bringing up the shape of his claws is a useless argument, why you ask? ARTISTIC CREATIVITY that's why. Each Artist draws Wolverine's claws differently. Some draw them long and skinny, others short and fat. It's all style.

And you you brought up Barry Windson Smith? Well, if you read above you'll see why his explanation of Wolverine's claws was worse then the idea of bone claws.

 

[Legion]

If muscles were surrounding razor sharp adamantium claws that can cut through solid steel and were trying to use to use force to "pop" foward or retract them don't you think the muscles would be severed? If Wolverine's claws were given to him by the Weapon X program, they would be housed in an adamantium sheath in his forearm.

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When wolverine was first created it was assumed the claws were simply worn under his gloves. When the character was moved to X-men it was shown at the start of the phoenix saga, on the sentinel base that wolverine's claws came out of his hands. They changed the character because they felt that anyone who was wearing the gloves could become wolverine, but the idea that they were once gloves was still there.

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It had been said in the comics that adamantium is very expensive. During the shiva saga when Hines asked the Professor if there was an infinite number of shiva units that could be created the Professor scalded her and said that idea was outrageous, that the Program was on a strict budget. Omega Red was processed by the soviets usining Carbonadium synthesizer, a cheaper version of adamantium.

X-men the animated series also showed wolverine teaming up with captain america before weapon X where he used adamantium claws to climb the side of a building.

To me it has been implied that a pair of retractable adamantium claws existed and since adamantium was expensive, while sheathed they were used to bond to wolverine's forearm and the side effect was wolverine's ability to activate them through a mental link. I would explain it as Wolverine's healing factor rejected the adamantium and then forced to accept it, nerves in his forearm fused to the gloves or his healing factor adapted and created a means for them to function.



The point is that the Weapon X backstory was created to give the character more depth instead of just being a raging maniac. I think it made him a more tragic character, a man that lost everything and was tested on like an animal, being transformed into a Biological weapon.

I hope this story is chosen for the movie, Silver fox being raped and murdered by creed, using a fight with wolverine w/o claws against Sabretooth. Wolverine's bones are broken, comepletly defeated inside ,gives up his life to go under "enhancement" so he can get revenge.

 

[Spade]

I don't think I would be comfortable with the "Silver Fox being raped" part. Oh, and as a head's up: I'm seeing the red x of doom. Might want to host those images with Imageshack.

 

[Infinity9999x]

If muscles were surrounding razor sharp adamantium claws that can cut through solid steel and were trying to use to use force to "pop" foward or retract them don't you think the muscles would be severed? If Wolverine's claws were given to him by the Weapon X program, they would be housed in an adamantium sheath in his forearm.

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I would assume the muscles would be at the bottom of the claws, not around the sides. The claws would be in bone housings in his arm, thus protecting the muscles around the claws.

When wolverine was first created it was assumed the claws were simply worn under his gloves. When the character was moved to X-men it was shown at the start of the phoenix saga, on the sentinel base that wolverine's claws came out of his hands. They changed the character because they felt that anyone who was wearing the gloves could become wolverine, but the idea that they were once gloves was still there.

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It had been said in the comics that adamantium is very expensive. During the shiva saga when Hines asked the Professor if there was an infinite number of shiva units that could be created the Professor scalded her and said that idea was outrageous, that the Program was on a strict budget. Omega Red was processed by the soviets usining Carbonadium synthesizer, a cheaper version of adamantium.

X-men the animated series also showed wolverine teaming up with captain america before weapon X where he used adamantium claws to climb the side of a building.

To me it has been implied that a pair of retractable adamantium claws existed and since adamantium was expensive, while sheathed they were used to bond to wolverine's forearm and the side effect was wolverine's ability to activate them through a mental link. I would explain it as Wolverine's healing factor rejected the adamantium and then forced to accept it, nerves in his forearm fused to the gloves or his healing factor adapted and created a means for them to function.

Now, had the comics said that Wolverine's claws were activated by a mental link and that they were some form of advanced cyber technology, then it would have made sense, but they didn't say that in the Windsor Smith Weapon X mini. The claws were presented as a "side effect" which I thought was ridiculous for my above mentioned reasons.

 

[chaseter]

I have said it many times in here and I will say it again. The Bone Claws story line was just a hack attempt to kept Wolverine slicing and dicing after his adamantium was ripped from his body. Now granted, it does make perfect sense concerning the muscles needed to protrude and pull adamantium claws that Stryker could not and did not create. To me, bone claws is like Carnage...just a hack attempt to keep a character alive...aka Wolverine and Venom. Don't get me started on clones and zombies It also seems like they are giving Wolverine just a host of mutant abilities where as most others only have 1 or 2.