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Bought/Thought 12/10 (SPOILERS)

I literally think Echo appears in one arc of Bendis' run, and that's the last one. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but I don't remember where else she shows up. Definitely not in Wake Up, Underboss, Golden Age or Decalogue, I don't remember appearances in Out or anything else...

Alias is phenomenal. I miss it.

I don't think it was Bendis penned, I think it was all David Mack.

I can't remember when I stopped picking it up, I think it was actually during Decalogue - I just remembered it felt like it had been going in circles for a long time I'd missed an issue by accident and then I realised I no longer cared how it finished.

It was a good story but month to month his style of decompression can get to you.
 
I don't think it was Bendis penned, I think it was all David Mack.

I can't remember when I stopped picking it up, I think it was actually during Decalogue - I just remembered it felt like it had been going in circles for a long time I'd missed an issue by accident and then I realised I no longer cared how it finished.

It was a good story but month to month his style of decompression can get to you.

I skipped the Mack-penned issues. His artistic style usually isn't my thing.

Bendis and Maleev's run was incredible, in my opinion. The two were a force together. Golden Age is one of my favorite arcs, but I honestly think Bendis really just wrote it for Maleev. If any other artist was on the book, I don't think that arc would have happened. Bendis just wanted to show what Maleev can do, and Maleev totally delivered. Again, that's just my opinion.
 
Maleev is a great talent (ignoring whatever the hell he did to Namor in Dark Reign).
 
I dont think Bendis will ever top the work he did on Daredevil with Maleev, that was just incredible stuff. It made Daredevil my favorite marvel hero by far, and Brubaker is still holding that strong. I cant wait to see what Maleev and Bendis do with Spider-Woman:Agent of Sword.
 
Lone Ranger #16 is the best single issue of this series that I've read. For those who haven't been reading this series, it's pretty much a stand alone issue. I love the last line, too. "I'll be damned."

I am so tired of Trinity. Ever since the Big Three have disappeared, I find myself caring less and less about what's been going on. This story is being dragged out. I think I need to have a little discipline next time when I say I need to skip DC's year-long weekly title.

Man With No Name wasn't a bad title. The first story arc just finished up, and it was solid enough.

Green Arrow and Black Canary gets a new creative team, and they quickly do away with the kids. (I wish Flash's book would do the same.) Half of the book is recap; the other is setting up the new direction. It did have one good line: "Believe me, this girl is all about the condoms."

Finally, the final issue of the Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane mini ends nicely; but, has me hankering for more. I hope we don't have to wait as long for another installment. Even though not as tight as what McKeever did, I still loved it.
 
Dread,have you read any of Bendis' other work such as Daredevil,Alias or Powers?

I read most of his DAREDEVIL run. It was predictable and slow at points but it was good. As was ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN for the first few years. I never read ALIAS, THE PULSE, or POWERS.

Dread: But the entire fate of the Marvel universe doesn't hinge on those books, and I must read everything that Marvel tells me is a big deal because if I don't I'll be completely lost and my life will be devoid of meaning and the universe will implode AAAAAAAAAARRGH!!!

I wasn't kidding or throwing a fit when I said, "I am ****ing done" with NEW AVENGERS. It has become obviously clear that NA's direction is crap and I more often than not don't like Bendis' work anymore. Now that the prices are about to jump up a buck for the honor of the Avengers franchise, it is high time I trim some fat. I am not bothering with DARK AVENGERS, NEW AVENGERS, LIGHT AVENGERS or any other Avenger thing he writes. Or SECRET WARRIORS either. Thanks to the Internet, I can still probably comment and complain about some of the dumb choices he makes without having to actually buy the comics and have them clog space in my room.

Also, there is a reason comic reviews should not be typed while suffering from a cold; I forgot one yesterday and will add it now.

Last, and certainly NOT least:

X-MEN AND SPIDER-MAN #2: Unlike BIG HERO 6, and like ADAM: LEGEND OF THE BLUE MARVEL, this is a mini that is $3.99 without adding any extra material. At only four issues, it will be cheaper than some, although trade waiting may have been the best option. Initially skeptical about it, I gave the last issue a try based solely on writer Christos Gage, whose work I usually have enjoyed. The debut issue read like a very good issue of X-MEN: FIRST CLASS for me and convinced me to stick around.

The premise of the series is to retcon in a series of team-up's between Spider-Man and the X-Men of various decades, which all involve some secret unspoken plot by Mr. Sinister (who is now dead). Quite what this will add to either franchise is unknown and it likely was commissioned because Spidey & the X-Men are still hot franchises for Marvel and they wanted extra material of both for some weeks. November's sales figures are not in yet and I am curious how it debuted. With little promotion and a non big name creator credit roster, if it launched within the Top 65, that'd be something.

But honestly, what made the first issue impressive was the execution and the strong sense of continuity. It was set when Peter was just starting college and the original X-Men had "graduated" to more unique costumes, but before Havok & Polaris joined the team, and before GIANT-SIZE X-MEN. This issue takes place in the 80's era, where Spidey was a newlywed (although that detail is not stated), he was still in his black costume and had JUST recovered from "KRAVEN'S LAST HUNT", where Kraven defeated Spidey, buried him alive, donned his costume, fought Vermin and then killed himself, believing he would never duplicate such an honor. This was also the era when the X-Men had just survived the Morlock Massacre, barely. So that means powerless, mohawk Storm, brown-uniform Wolverine, teenage Rogue and Dazzler (fresh off the end of her solo series, which ran for over three years). The other various X-Men were either not there (the founding roster at the time were organized as X-Factor, or the X-Terminators to the public), and quite a few others, such as Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Shadowcat, were injured.

Investigating Kraven's home after his suicide, Spidey stumbles upon his client files and realizes the "mundane" adventure years earlier with Blob was a contracted hit to acquire the X-Men's DNA. Still wrecked emotionally from his ordeal and probably itching for a fight, Spider-Man arrives at the X-Mansion, finding none of the original X-Men and the four present distraught after the Morlock ordeal and not in the mood for a random team up. But once Spidey mentions the name of their enemies' leader, they decide to help. Investigating the lab location according to the file, the X-Men & Spidey stumble upon Mr. Sinister's lab, which leads to a section of the Morlock tunnels. It also leads to a showdown with most of the Marauders (Arclight, Harpoon, Scalphunter, Scrambler, and of course, Sabretooth, the only one who is too competent to need to be cloned).

Naturally, this era of the X-Men was quite dark, but so was Spider-Man during this period so they mesh up well. While I am sure someone could find some bits about the continuity that don't work, Gage does a good job with his history that it does mesh up rather well. In fact the only hiccup is it adds a second retcon as to how the Marauders gained such easy access to the Morlock tunnels. In the original story, they stalked and then murdered a Morlock teenager who had went from the surface to the tunnels. In a 90's retcon, Gambit was hired to lead them to the Morlocks, then regretted his choice when they started murdering them (and tried to attone by saving "Sarah", later known as Marrow). This comic, over a decade after THAT Gambit story, suggests that this "secret" lab had a trap-door that led directly to a Morlock tunnel entrance, which allowed the killers to gain easy access and experience with the terrain. So if their boss Mr. Sinister had a lab nearby, why would they have needed to hire Gambit? Oh, well.

As usual, artist Mario Alberti does some incredible art for the issue, but I think I noticed something subtle; he adjusted his panel angles to suit the era he is working on. For example, X-MEN AND SPIDER-MAN #1 had no double-page splashes; those were not common in the 60's. This issue, set in 80's continuity, has one midway through. Some of the panel compositions, I believe, are made in this issue to match up or at least be in theme with the artists on UXM at this time. Gage also captures the ultra-violence of this era of the X-Men, where Wolverine guts Sabretooth to chop off Scalphunter's hand. I especially like how Alberti was able to capture the costumes of the era, especially Scalphunters. He genuinely made it LOOK like a suit of spare materials, which some artists struggle with. Plus, also true to the era, the Marauders were a match for the X-Men and did not simply die because they were cloneable.

Mr. Sinister had been working on clones of the founding X-Men in his lab, which were twisted. The lab is blown up and the heroes survive the tale, albeit a little shaken up. Spidey comments about it being creepy to have a clone of oneself, which will seem more interesting since the next issue supposedly stars Ben Reilly in the 90's era. The last page revelation was that Mr. Sinister had done something with Kraven's DNA, which will be explored in figure issues.

Alberti's art is probably worth half the cover price in itself, and Gage's writing is executed very well. It manages to transport us to another time for each issue, which helps things work out. Of course, the 80's were more modern than the 60's so there is less reworking to be done. I am finding myself enjoying this series and I am curious how it will finish.
 
I wasn't kidding or throwing a fit when I said, "I am ****ing done" with NEW AVENGERS. It has become obviously clear that NA's direction is crap and I more often than not don't like Bendis' work anymore. Now that the prices are about to jump up a buck for the honor of the Avengers franchise, it is high time I trim some fat. I am not bothering with DARK AVENGERS, NEW AVENGERS, LIGHT AVENGERS or any other Avenger thing he writes. Or SECRET WARRIORS either. Thanks to the Internet, I can still probably comment and complain about some of the dumb choices he makes without having to actually buy the comics and have them clog space in my room.
Excellent. Now leave that slot empty until you've caught up on Incredible Herc so you'll have room for the monthly. :)
 
I ended up dropping his Daredevil, I just couldn't bring myself to care.

And ****ing Echo kept on showing up.

Echo never showed up in any Bendis/Maleev issues.
 
I dont think Bendis will ever top the work he did on Daredevil with Maleev, that was just incredible stuff. It made Daredevil my favorite marvel hero by far, and Brubaker is still holding that strong. I cant wait to see what Maleev and Bendis do with Spider-Woman:Agent of Sword.

Check out Powers and Alias if you haven't already,as great as DD was,those 2 books easily surpass DD.
 
I wasn't kidding or throwing a fit when I said, "I am ****ing done" with NEW AVENGERS. It has become obviously clear that NA's direction is crap and I more often than not don't like Bendis' work anymore. Now that the prices are about to jump up a buck for the honor of the Avengers franchise, it is high time I trim some fat. I am not bothering with DARK AVENGERS, NEW AVENGERS, LIGHT AVENGERS or any other Avenger thing he writes. Or SECRET WARRIORS either. Thanks to the Internet, I can still probably comment and complain about some of the dumb choices he makes without having to actually buy the comics and have them clog space in my room.

Secret Warriors isn't written by Bendis.
 
So wait back up...

The artist on Dark Reign was Maleev??

Cause I could have sworn I remembered him being you know, good.
 
What about "Yo-Ho," the pirate speedster superhero?

EDIT: Wait what am I saying? That's clearly solid ****ing gold.
 
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I skipped the Mack-penned issues. His artistic style usually isn't my thing.

Bendis and Maleev's run was incredible, in my opinion. The two were a force together. Golden Age is one of my favorite arcs, but I honestly think Bendis really just wrote it for Maleev. If any other artist was on the book, I don't think that arc would have happened. Bendis just wanted to show what Maleev can do, and Maleev totally delivered. Again, that's just my opinion.

Totally agree.I loved all the crime elements Bendis brought into the book.

I've enjoyed Bru's DD as well,one my fav books.His take seems to be more in tune with Miller's approach which I just read recently.

Different strokes which work for the character.
 
I read the Dark Reign book in the shop. Glad I did, 'cause it made me feel even better about not wantin' to buy it.

I'm done with Avengers, and any book with Bendis' name on it.
 
Don't be done with Mighty Avengers. It's supposed to be Dan Slott giving us classic Avengery goodness.
 
I am so tired of Trinity. Ever since the Big Three have disappeared, I find myself caring less and less about what's been going on. This story is being dragged out. I think I need to have a little discipline next time when I say I need to skip DC's year-long weekly title.

Yea this weekly crap is b/s. 52 times $2.99 = $156.00, so for all those people who complain about Marvel milking the Big-Events, it's nothing compared to what DC's doing. They have been doing these weekly books since 52, and they've just basically been milking the hardcore DC fans of $156.00 a year, multiply that by 3, $468.00 thats how much DC has made off of just 1 fan in the last 3 years. The only franchise worth a damn in DC is Green Lantern, DC just seems like one big huge gimmick. DC BLOWS. they have great potential, but they BLOW. They need to get somebody else to run the company, they need to put big-name artists on their big-name books/events. They just need to learn from Marvel, simple as that.
 
Don't be done with Mighty Avengers. It's supposed to be Dan Slott giving us classic Avengery goodness.

Yea but the book much like dan slott and the marvel Universe will be under Bendis overall thumb.
 
Yea but the book much like dan slott and the marvel Universe will be under Bendis overall thumb.

Bendis' impact on the MU only extends as far as other writers allow it. You didn't see Skrulls running around in Captain America or Thor, did you?
 
Bendis' impact on the MU only extends as far as other writers allow it. You didn't see Skrulls running around in Captain America or Thor, did you?


Ask yourself who the writers for Cap and thor are.:cwink:
 
Okay, Mighty is the exception. Slott's chops have earned him a few issues grace period. But, if it feels like any of Bendis remains on that book I'll drop it in a heartbeat. Marvel has made it very easy ta lose my completionist attitude, especially with price jumps.
 
Fair enough. Just saying, Mighty Avengers might just be us classic Avengers fans' time to finally enjoy the Avengers as the Avengers again. :up:
Ask yourself who the writers for Cap and thor are.:cwink:
What does that even mean? :huh:
 
I can't wait for Mighty Avengers, Slott's probably my favourite Marvel writer (tied with Brubaker); the man's a master of continuity and generally manages to weave obscure characters into his stories unlike any other.

God how I would love to see Slott write an Avengers book with the Busiek era lineup.
 
Bendis' impact on the MU only extends as far as other writers allow it. You didn't see Skrulls running around in Captain America or Thor, did you?

I don't generally disagree but given as this is an Avengers book, the other two of which Bendis is still writing, I'd be pretty surprised if there weren't a fairly significant level of collaboration.
 
But the consensus seems to be that Bendis has good ideas and bad execution. So if Slott's handling the execution, collaborating with Bendis on the big picture shouldn't be too bad. After all, look at how much better the tie-ins to Bendis' events have been than the Bendis-written event itself.
 

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