Bought/Thought "Cee Dubyah" Edition for Nov.15th 2007

Civil War- PICK OF THE WEEK! Very interesting issue. The problem with a storyline as huge and all-encompassing as this is that it's hard to settle on what to focus on. Millar keeps his focus on the same batch of characters from last time, including both sets of defectors. The issue isn't as surprising as the rest, but it's still a lot of fun. It's great to see so many good characters getting their moments, and Frank certainly has his. I wasn't keen on the idea of bringing back the white gloves and boots, but, unsurprisingly, McNiven makes it work. His presence is an interesting moral dilemma for Cap's side. Enlisting him is just as dangerous as SHIELD's Thunderbolts, but sometimes you have to play dirty. Another subtle, but interesting, political allegory. Tony and Reed both come off as compassionate, too. Neither really wants this, but they try to make the best. It may've been a little contrived, but I couldn't help but love Daredevil's last page. 10/10

New Avengers- This wasn't what I expected, but it was pretty cool. Maria Hill is certainly an interesting character. I loved seeing her getting her badass moment. The last page was quite surprising. I really would've liked seeing Jarvis get some more moments in this event. I can't imagine how difficult this would be on him. 9/10

Transformers Spotlight: Hot Rod- After the shaky Nightbeat issue, we're back up to quality with a great solo issue with everyone's favorite future autobot leader. Furman does a nice job of showing the downright recklessness of the character, but also showing his dogged determination. You gotta love that. It was cool seeing him go back to save a friend, and the twist was pretty sweet, too! 8/10

Moon Knight- Since when is Taskmaster such a wimp? Anyway, it was interesting to see just how damaged Marc's psyche is. He really is one crazy bastard. I'm kind of glad this arc is over. It was good, but I think we're going to see some meatier stories now that the set-up is out of the way. 8/10

Astonishing X-Men- A bit crazy, but not bad. It appears that Cassandra Nova has been behind everything, and when Nova's involved, all hell is destined to break loose. This arc was pretty out there, but I'm confident it's a set up for something massive next arc. Here's hoping. 7/10

Cable and Deadpool- Cable-centric arcs aren't as interesting as the Deadpool ones. That having been said, Nicieza still did a nice job of making me care for his character. I particularly enjoyed the opening sequence. Looking much more forward to seeing Wade deal with his demons next arc, though. 7/10
 
I gotta ask an obvious question here. Why doesnt Cap and the Anti-Reg side recruit some villains to their own cause? I mean when you think about it, a crazy thing is, there are some villains that the heroes actually are on level with and dare i say respect? For example, look at the current Thunderbolts, Zemo and Cap have an uneasy sort of mutual respect. And its clear not every member makes the new Suicide Squa---I mean Thunderbolts debuting next year. Fight fire with fire *****es. But at the moment it seems theyll be trying to break out the N-Zone prisoners instead and causing their own little rebellion.
 
Maybe because the anti-regs actually have moral character, while the pro-reggers are led by Tony "dick" Stark
 
Not Jake said:
Maybe because the anti-regs actually have moral character, while the pro-reggers are led by Tony "dick" Stark


Not all the villains are bad....:huh:
 
Darthphere said:
I gotta ask an obvious question here. Why doesnt Cap and the Anti-Reg side recruit some villains to their own cause? I mean when you think about it, a crazy thing is, there are some villains that the heroes actually are on level with and dare i say respect? For example, look at the current Thunderbolts, Zemo and Cap have an uneasy sort of mutual respect. And its clear not every member makes the new Suicide Squa---I mean Thunderbolts debuting next year. Fight fire with fire *****es. But at the moment it seems theyll be trying to break out the N-Zone prisoners instead and causing their own little rebellion.

Do the BAD Girls count? :p
 
Specter313 said:
Do the BAD Girls count? :p


You bring up a good point, Cap was banging Diamondback at one point, and she was a villain.
 
Civil War #5

Good issue, about on par with issue 4, not as good as the high point of the series, issue #3. Ended kind of weak, I mean, Judas, okay, that was kind of cool, but really, it was just "DD" walking off to prison. I'm assuming that this is Iron Fist, because he was playing with a silver dollar in a panel in issue, what, 2? I doubt they switched him out for another DD impersonator, that'd be too complicated. Anyway, about the Thunderbolts--didn't The Jester die in Bendis' DD? Decalogue? With the creepy demon baby parasite thing. I know the one guy who got it after The Jester killed himself, but I thought The Jester bit it as well. I can't check my trades, they're loaned out to a buddy. Anyone able to clear this up?


Astonishing X-Men #18

Another great ish by everyone's favorite writer, the undisputed king of all mediums, Joss Whedon. Seriously though, this issue wasn't as good as #17, no beer fade or Yeahbuhwhat, but we do get seemingly loony Cyclops and Percy Dovetonsils and Kitty calling Emma a *****. You can have that uncensored in mainstream comic books but not on this board. Thanks admins!:whatever: Really looking forward to the next arc.
 
Sorry can't help you out there.Decalogue is the one arc I'm missing of that run.

Did anybody read Birds of Prey?
 
Civil War #5- I too thought that Spidey got his ass handed to him a little too easy. Still, I enjoyed seeing the Punisher play a pivotal role in a major crossover, and it was interesting to see him taking care of Spiderman as if he were carrying a buddy off the battlefield. The moral quandary that the Punisher offers Cap's side is a nice touch to counter balance some of the morally questionable moves that Stark and Co. have made. However, I wouldn't consider temporarily teaming up with Frank being as bad as pitting murderers of innocent people against your supposed friends. Really, when you think about it, how is teaming up with the Punisher any worse than allowing Wolverine on your team. Logan's probably killed more people in his time than Frank has, and more innocent people to boot. All-in-all, this issue portrayed the pro-Regs in a little more favorable light, what with Reed and Tony both displaying regret at how events have transpired. Also, to be honest, their argument is starting to seem a little more sound- they make a good point about how registration is probably the only way superheroes can go about their business without being regarded as enemies of the state.

New Avengers 26- It's been said before, and I'll say it again, Bendis needs to stick with writing non-team stories. This issue reads like a fast-paced TV thriller instead of just the first chapter in a trade paperback that I will have to wait 6 more months to finish. Here, Bendis portrays Ironman and Co in a more positive light and, surprisingly, even depicts Maria Hill as a redeemable human being. Nonetheless, I did enjoy seeing IM get taken down, even if it was only temporary.

Ironman #13- Probably the first IronMan comic I've bought since Operation Galactic Storm came out fifteen years ago, and I never would have picked it up if it hadn't been for Civil War. And you know what? I loved it. Thank you Quesada and company for producing a crappily edited, convoluted, heavily delayed, over-hyped crossover that finally made me give a rat's ass about Tony Stark. I never really cared for the character, but now I can see what a complex and facinating guy he really is. The idea of a war-profiteering member of the military-industrial complex being a superhero just never made sense to me before, but it does now. And wow, Spymaster is looking pretty nifty, he should be in the movie sequel. This book really had kind of a Tom Clancy vibe to it, which I totally dig.

MoonKinght 6- Marc Specter is one messed up dude! Not much in terms of action in this issue but Marc's conversation with Konshu really blew my mind. I don't remember his relationship with the god being delved into quite this deep in his earlier series', so Huston has really accomplished a lot for the characters motivation and mythos in this arc. I really like the idea of Marc, the avatar, and Konshu, the god, actually being one in the same. I mean, that is exactly what an Avatar is supposed to be, just like Krishna and Vishnu. Finch has really uped his game. When he was penciling New Avengers all of his faces seem to be from the same guy, who always appeared to be in the same mood. But now his faces seem more detailed and defined; Frenchy actually looked like a totally different person from Marc.

It was a good week. Glad everything is back on schedule.
 
Darthphere said:
GNR, did you pick up MK?

It's in my box,I told the guy to leave it in there.

With everything I'm adding,something had to go.MK and Iron Man got the axe.I might pick it up though just to finish the arc.
 
it's interesting how a few months ago everyone was all, "civil war sucks! it's making reed and tony into villians". now it's, "oh, well, maybe tony and reed aren't so bad."

funny how waiting until a story unfolds instead of bashing it in it's infancy changes things.
 
Ummm, saying Reed is actually showing emotion isnt a big sweeping reversal of opinion.
 
In many stories villains show emotion on a regular basis.

Magneto for all his evilness is only doing what he does because of his beliefs and wanting to save mutantkind.

Iron Man and Reed have emotion and are doing what they think are right, but it makes them no less villains. Reed may still be salvagable, but Iron Man will take a long time for him to be seen as a hero again, maybe by 2008.:cwink:

I don't agree with it, it's the same thing they did to Superboy Prime and Alexander Luthor in IC. Turned both of them into full blown villains without much reason or characterization behind it.

It's stuff like this that hurts comic continuity.

It's ok, like I said, by 2008 Cap and IM will be sharing sweaty man hugs again, mark my words.:whatever:
 
GNR4Life said:
Sorry can't help you out there.Decalogue is the one arc I'm missing of that run.

Did anybody read Birds of Prey?
You should get it, it has some Frank Miller-y paranormal ninja stuff in it, a departure from the realistic mob story stuff. It's very X-Files:up:
 
Darthphere said:
Ummm, saying Reed is actually showing emotion isnt a big sweeping reversal of opinion.

i think it's bigger than that.

all the talk of the anti-reg guys being portrayed as heroes, while tony and his peeps being written as villians, is coming to an end i think. for some reason, a lot people on these boards seem to have absulutely no faith in anything when it comes to comics. and if that's the case, then why even read them?

i mean, at least wait til the damn thing is over before you criticize the story, you know? well, people don't do that. and now, i think the story is going to prove a lot of people wrong.
 
Blade: It's kind of a bittersweet series for me--on one hand, it's kickass to have a monthly Blade adventure, but on the other hand, I rather prefer the more modern, samurai warrior version of the character, where the vampires are less supernatural. Still, I thought it was kinda funny that Blade was online dating. :woot: And...Blade vs. SANTA?!!? :shock: This oughta be a sight to behold. :woot:

Moon Knight: I don't have much expierence with the character, and I kinda stopped reading after a while, but I loved this issue. It just proves that gods are *****--even if they're in a slightly-psycho man's head. Though, I don't understand the end part--did Marc accept the god's bloodlust? Who were the people that killed the woman and painted a clock around her in her blood?
 
DREAD'S BOUGHT/THOUGHT for 11/15/06 Part II:

CIVIL WAR #5:
Also a month late, technically, is the 5th issue of "a Marvel event in 7 parts", granted, 7 parts doesn't count all the crossovers, and the tie-in mini's, and the one-shots, and the prelude mini's and crossovers, and the epilogue mini's and crossovers to come, otherwise it'd be a Marvel Event in 101 parts (and counting). The high point of the series is still #3 or so, and this issue is a perfectly readable and exciting edition to the story, with a lot of little character appearences along with the big moments. And unlike ASTONISHING, I actually like the long breaks between issues because I can only tolerate so much of this story at a time. I will say that ANNIHILATION #4 was aces better.

One reason why? A problem that plagues a lot of modern comics is that an individual issue may rely entirely on the surprise of a character or sequence that is pretty much already shown on the front cover. True, this has happened for ages, but it becomes a huge problem with stories like this. What the cover shows; Spider-Man being attacked by villians who we now know are Thunderbolt SHRA flunkies. An alternate cover shows Punisher saving Spider-Man. These have been circulated for months by mighty Marvel; in the case of the first cover, at least 4 months. Therefore, we go in already knowing this, so treating it as a SHOCK inside the pages that Spidey is attacked by Thunderbolts and that Punisher saves him really doesn't work. It's not a shock. We knew this going in. The first issue of the FF PRELUDE TO CW had this exact same problem; it spent 22 pages to tell us that Dr. Doom was back and wanted Thor's hammer...a fact the cover made clear. That's not to say that the sequences in CW weren't well drawn, or well paced, or sucked. They didn't. I am simply pointing to the fact that writers have got to stop treating something the cover reveals as a surprise and actually have something else to be the major surprise of the book. To quote Millar, "it's not 1942 anymore". It's 2006. Improve with the times.

Fortunately, unlike HOM, enough happens in each issue that it makes each one worthwhile, and one could say that the details are what help carry it. Invisible Woman & Human Torch are now full "rogues" to SHIELD and eventually fall in with Cap's Secret Avengers (which Tigra has apparently infiltrated to spy on). Continued from ASM, Spider-Man FINALLY rebels against Iron Man and stands up for his virtue that he feels locking up anti-SHRA heroes in the Negative Zone is going a step too far. Iron Man attempts to justify his actions here by claiming that the SHRA was a compromise and if he'd gone against it, the U.S. government probably would have outlawed all superhumans period after Stamford. One problem with this is that one has to take Stark's word on this, the same guy who secretly hired Titanium Man to attack Washington in order to score a point. The second is that after so many attacks in Marvel Superhero land and the fact that some heroes have been government sanctioned for long stretches of the time, an anti-superhuman crackdown seems incredibly ludicrous and impossible to enforce. Do you include mutants and risk "hate crimes"? Are they aware that banning them in the U.S. would just make the nation a clear target for metahumans from other nations? In a universe like Marvel's that has had known superhero activity for the last 60 years, it just seems like massive overkill. After countless events clearly show that extremist Islamic men are responsible for about 99.9% of current terrorist attacks, has the U.S. banned all practice of Islam or rounded up everyone who pratices the faith? No. And they never would. So it seems silly to imagine the MU's gov't, corrupt as it has always been, going that far after Stamford. Especially since they've always been willing to pardon any supervillian willing to be a stooge. Or make endless attempts at more super-soldiers. Or allied with the Avengers for decades in real time (they were unofficial federal agents basically). One could imagine every Liberal in the universe poo-pooing it, to say nothing else. Besides, trying to enforce such an act could easily cause hundreds of Stamfords and cost as much as hundred's of Iraqs...at once. But, whatever. The 50 State Inititive was given away in WIZARD, so that is no surprise, either; making a federal super-team for every state, so they're not just stretched between CA and NY with a few random C-Listers in-between. This step is actually interesting and it's a shame the MU didn't think of it sooner. And, yes, after 4 issues of acting like a Nazi Doctor, Reed finally reveals a shred of remourse for his actions, an issue after instantly suspecting "something up with Parker" when he showed remourse at Goliath's funeral. Sorry, Millar, this just doesn't cut it, especially as Slott's She-Hulk has seemed far less gung-ho than she seemed here. She's cooperative, just not as zealously so. Let's say my problem is...consistantcy. Had Reed & Iron Man shown some more human concern before, I'd buy it and I think others would have too. But tacking it on by the 5th issue of a 7 parter ain't going to cut it. Especially since, once again, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ROOT FOR SOMEONE WHO HIRES SUPERVILLAINS TO DO THEIR DIRTY WORK. That makes them no better than Red Skull, Zemo, Dr. Doom, Kingpin, Dr. Octopus, or any number of "boss" types who do that. True, you have BAD Girls, but they're mercenaries and Diamondback has dated Cap before. And no Marvel fan sees Punisher as a supervillian, but an anti-hero like Wolverine. If they wanted the pro-SHRA to seem more naunced, they went too far with cloning Thor and using supervillians as grunt footsoldiers. You can't root for that. Imagine if the feds used Jeffery Dahmer to save kids in a fire. Would everyone call him a hero? Or be disgusted?

Plus, it doesn't answer the dilemma that Spider-Man was hardly a fan of the gov't or police for ages and usually stuck his neck out for the little guy; he sold out, and the payback's almost murder.

Anyway, so it was good seeing Spidey get in a lick on Stark, although since he's been on the team for a damned year in real time he should've known about the windows, but a minor quibble. I liked Maria Hill's snarky comment about "not needing Thunderbolts if they flood the streets with SHIELD soldiers like they are". BINGO. If they'd been this efficient ages ago, there'd be no need for superheroes if Luke Cage couldn't even take a piss without having a hundred storm in, much less Shocker doing a bank-robbery. The cover seemed to promise highly emotional drama as Spider-Man is being hunted by A-List baddies like Venom, Green Goblin, and Bullseye; the latter two being arch foes, with legal authority. Turns out he's just attached by Jester and the 3rd (or 4th) Jack O'Lantern, which carried far less drama. Sure, he's fought them, but its not the same. And the reason why is clear; they wanted Punisher to get a body count, and no one would dare have him fire a slug through Osborn's head. But, Punisher frankly makes more sense in the "exists to kill loser villians" role than Scourge ever did. Apparently Punisher was the "Ski-Mask Man" from before, which many posters predicted months ago. But I don't mind that, as it makes sense that he'd hate seeing "supervillians get badges" and perform gov't sanctioned beatings on heroes who don't toe the line (again, you CAN'T condone this; imagine if the feds gave some mobsters authority to pummel and detain a suspect). Ultra-Girl, Stingray, Hulkling, and Photon have notable cameos, as well as Stature & Nighthawk do when they meet Mr. Hogan (himself a former metahuman; anyone remember "The Freak"? Got a few feet taller, bad temper, super strength? Oh, well). Must stink for Cassie being the ONLY member of her team to ditch Cap. I wonder if this division will be mentioned in their relaunch. The last page's climax was well done; I grew tired of some of Millar's "full page macho man poses" that he has done to death in ULTIMATES 2 so it was nice to see something subtle. As DD was at the meeting before he was arrested, I wonder if he is a mole to simply free the imprisoned heroes...something you CAN root for. When Marvel pretends they aren't "playing sides" here, they assume you can't understand what Millar is writing and have never read or watched most fiction in your entire life. A moron, basically.

A good issue, and Millar is always good for action (although one more incest reference and I'll think that's his fetish, kind of like Frank Miller and his "Madonna-****e" complex), and after the bar was lowered dramatically by the underwhelming HOM, anything else is an improvement. But ANNIHILATION has been outdoing CW in enjoyment for me since the first issue, and the best surprises aren't ruined to boot (and it's not late). So many characters may be thrown into turmoil by CW that it's either going to be a good reform or a load of hackneyed convelution. Some C-Listers will come out smelling like roses, though. If they survive.

Next Post: GHOST RIDER #5, MOON KNIGHT #6, NEW AVENGERS #25, & X-MEN: FIRST CLASS #3.
 
It was a big week, $50, for somewhat mediocre books, ...

Supergirl - 11 - Actually a highlight this week. She tries to join the Outsiders and seems to be crossing some lines that even Grace thinks are iffy, but it gave us more Grace, and, ... Metamorpho? I didn't read any Infinite Crisis, but didn't he and Shift merge and then kill a bunch of people or something? Why is he still here?

Ultimate Fantastic Four - 36 - I wouldn't be upset if Mike Carey and Pasqual Ferry disappeared and were never heard from again. If the story was decent, I might be able to sit through the craptacular art, but since the story makes little sense, and throws so many meaningless sci-fi words at you, I really couldn't care less. Thanos possesses Ben or something, just to talk to Reed, so the Tesseract won't do, ... something? I don't know, and I don't really care. I just want the hurting to end.

Moon Knight - 6 - So, when Charlie Huston came to MSU, I got a chance to have an extended conversation with the guy, and mentioned that a lot of people are put off by Taskmaster being a big sissy. He explained himself in a pretty convincing manner that, in all of his readings and researchings of the character, the guy doesn't really want to fight. He's not so much a *****, as he can do dirty work, but he'd rather train others to do it for him, so he doesn't have to. Like I said, it was pretty convincing, and Taskmaster's still got the most personality of anyone in the book, so there's not any complaining for me to do.

Astonishing X-Men - 18 - Whedon, we're all very impressed by how you can remember things you wrote from nearly three years ago, and I'm sure you'll be given an award for it somewhere, now can we have the rest of the story? I'd really like to not think that I'm wasting my money on something that could be hailed as truly remarkable, instead of over-priced, underwritten drivel.

X-Men: First Class - 3 - Not sure why people don't seem to like this series. It's witty and has a very good-natured cartoony feel. Yet another example of done-in-one stories done well. The kids get trapped inside Xavier's subconscious and eat pancakes with the Blob. Seriously.

Invincible - 36 - Maybe I'm just getting jaded, or I'm being spoiled from all these independent books, but even Invincible, what was once a highlight of my monthly comic purchases has started to lose its luster. At this point, what happens to William seems like a sub-plot, because I really like the new Shapesmith guy, and I'm fairly certain William will get away mostly clean anyway.

Infiniteens - 1 - Written by one of the boards very own members. Reminds me a bit of Rising Stars, but instead of 113 (is that the number?) "infected", there are over 33 million. My only complaint is that some of the guys have particulary girlish faces, but not wanting to start any flame wars, or garnish any more enemies than I have to, I'll admit that I've never written and drawn my own comic book, and I'm impressed. Zeu's off to a good start, and I'm interested where this is going to go.

I also got the third Girls trade, and convinced someone to buy Pride of Baghdad, because Brian K. Vaughan controls my every waking thought, and I must spread his gospel.
 
to anwser who ever wanted to know about BOP, i didnt buy it but i looked through it, nice art, its basicly a sendoff/ origin of black canary, and then a bunch of ppl telling oracle hell no to her invitations.
 
Darthphere said:
. But at the moment it seems theyll be trying to break out the N-Zone prisoners instead and causing their own little rebellion.


Well that's Batman for you. He's leading his team aginst the Gulag. ....and then out of the blue comes Captain Marvel......


Yes I know im talking about Kingdom Come but it seems that CW is ripping all the plot points from KC.
 
photojones2 said:
i think it's bigger than that.

all the talk of the anti-reg guys being portrayed as heroes, while tony and his peeps being written as villians, is coming to an end i think. for some reason, a lot people on these boards seem to have absulutely no faith in anything when it comes to comics. and if that's the case, then why even read them?

i mean, at least wait til the damn thing is over before you criticize the story, you know? well, people don't do that. and now, i think the story is going to prove a lot of people wrong.


I bet youre wrong. Because even if it did, no one would admit. What i dont know, is if the story will pay dividends at the end, what i do know CW #1-5 couldve been written a hell of a lot better, and waiting til #5 to show the Pro-Reg's moral conscious seems to me at least, too little too late.
 
To anyone that said that "YOU GUYS USED TO HATE REED AND STARK AND NOW YOU'RE GOING 'WELL THEY'RE NOT SO BAD'" you obviously havn't read the book yet.

For the most part, we've all thought that Stark was in control of everything. It's blatently obvious that he's NOT. Not by a long shot. He's just (basically) the acting chief of the superheros, and he answers to the higher up. We sort of knew this from the start, but when he gets shut down about "Just needing to talk to Peter" then it's kind of like "wow, maybe he actually is just following orders".

I mean, personally, when the SHIELD chick (her name escapes me) answered Starks "Maria, Wait (guess she's Maria)! I just need to talk to him..." with "Request denied, Stark. Over and out". It was a bigger spoiler than the Punisher helping, or Peter getting his ass kicked.

Anyone else feel the same?
 
I really pissed ne off that at a time like this, people would question having the Punisher on the team. Like when they metioned turning him over to the authorities, I thought that was total bull****.
 

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