Bought/Thought - February 25th, 2009 - Spoilers!

I have to admit, I enjoy Bendis' "banter" for the most part. I completely side with New Avengers over Mighty Avengers. It's much more original and current than Slott's thing with Bova and Wundagore (I've never really understood or cared about those characters - scars from the Evolutionary Way, I think). I tried it; I like Slott, but it's just all right.

After not reading Marvel comics for 15 years or so, new stories like New Avengers and Civil War (even with the disappointing conclusion) drew me back in. Identity Crisis caused me to look into DC again - it didn' take. I guess my point is I don't need to read the same stories that have been made for 40 years. In the 80's comics felt uninhibited to a degree - there was a feeling and undercurrent that the medium was growing up. It feels like that now.

Can Bendis' "witty" banter be over the top at times? absolutely
do I love every story? no
i also understand why some of you don't like it - you're also generally continuity-junkies. I'm not that passionate about that. Give me a good story with interesting characters.
 
I don't get it. Before the issue came out and we had the outline for NA 50 I told everyone the NA would not fight the DA at all and all you'd get is useless violence, lots of talk and constant repetition. All the bendis fans said, "no that won't happen, the NA are clearly gonna fight the DA, bendis wouldn't do that to us again". So the issue comes out and it's EXACTELY what I said it would be and still the bendis fans go, "well sure we got nothing unexpected, new or interesting, but damn it's great". I mean, wtf?
 
No, because the Avengers have never really been about that. Both New and Mighty do pretty much stand for and do what Avengers teams typically do. Even Osborn's Dark Avengers fit because the public sees them as a typical Avengers team and they probably will fight some bad guys for one reason or another.

But just like X-Force doesn't really qualify as an incarnation of the X-Men, I really don't think anyone sees the T-Bolts as an Avengers team.

I didn't say they're a part of the Avengers, but in a technical sense because they have an affiliation, doesn't that make Thunderbolts an Avengers book?
 
I have to admit, I enjoy Bendis' "banter" for the most part. I completely side with New Avengers over Mighty Avengers. It's much more original and current than Slott's thing with Bova and Wundagore (I've never really understood or cared about those characters - scars from the Evolutionary Way, I think). I tried it; I like Slott, but it's just all right.

After not reading Marvel comics for 15 years or so, new stories like New Avengers and Civil War (even with the disappointing conclusion) drew me back in. Identity Crisis caused me to look into DC again - it didn' take. I guess my point is I don't need to read the same stories that have been made for 40 years. In the 80's comics felt uninhibited to a degree - there was a feeling and undercurrent that the medium was growing up. It feels like that now.

Can Bendis' "witty" banter be over the top at times? absolutely
do I love every story? no
i also understand why some of you don't like it - you're also generally continuity-junkies. I'm not that passionate about that. Give me a good story with interesting characters.

Most of the time, Bendis' dialogue really isn't as bad as people tend to say it is.

But this time was far too much. Dialogue often took up over half a panel. And they weren't big speeches they were just short pointless crap often with people going like this:

Cast Member #1: So?
Cast Member #2: So.
Cast Member #1: Yeah...
Cast Member #2: Yes.
Cast Member #1: Something must be done.
Cast Member #3: We must!
Cast Member #2: [Insert Witty Banter]
 
INCREDIBLE HERCULES #126: Getting back on track, this is a bit of a "filler" issue that offers a 22 page "definitive" origin of Marvel's Hercules along with a 6 page "saga" style recap of his adventures and a 10 page back-up story about Cho's search for his lost coyote pup, Kirby. That's 32 story pages and an extra 6 page recap thing for $3.99, which I suppose is fair. I might be more irritated were it not for a title I enjoy as much, but it isn't. With so many comics being $3.99 as normal 22 page issues these days, one overpriced issue now and again isn't anything abnornal. INCREDIBLE HERCULES sells 31k a month now, so I suppose it needs any boost it can get.

Pak & Van Lente team with Buchemi to copple together some of Marvel's past origins for Hercules and weave them into a composite whole tale, or "myth". I was almost expecting something grander or more controversial but instead they know best to stick to the basics and at least acknowledge the rest. Hercules is the son of Zues, who took the form of a mortal woman's husband in Thebes to bed her, giving birth to a son with incredible strength, but not always the means to control it. He gained the invulnerability from Hera's breastmilk (where a nip from the babe helped cause Hela's vengeance afterward). But in a way what it less important than the origin in a way is the grasp of Hercules as a character, which Pak & Van Lente have second to none. Their Hercules has been someone who was granted incredible might whether in ancient terms or modern, who has not always sought the best way to use it, or could always control it (such as when he accidently killed his music teacher). When Hercules thrashes some barbarians threatening Thebes, he ends up endangering a deal the king made with their leader to sacrifice tribute for warfare. Hercules encourages the Thebian army to reclain the weapons they have left at their alter to the gods to take on the horde, but when they refuse, Hercules willingly allows himself to be locked in a dungeon to be given to the enemies. It is there that he learns of his godly heritage and gains his iconic garb from his mother, made in celebration for his defeat of the Nemean Lion. He vows to live up to his errors and honor his parents. He seemingly gives himself to the horde, but proves invulnerable to their weapons; the Thebian army then comes to vanquish the threat, and Hercules' mortal father Amphitryon is slain before him. Of course, Hercules' legacy was fortold by both gods and sooth sayers alike. It was a good tale with solid art that unlike FF this week, presented a "mundane" story that actually had heart as well as action and told a lot more than two scenes. It worked as a character piece, as well as a myth with good art and modern dialogue. It had been a while since I saw a younger Hercules without the beard, which worked to sell the first pages.

The "saga" is what it is, but mostly was a recap of the Pak & Van Lente era, and next was the story of "The Search for Kirby", with art by Miyazawa (who often has done fill in stuff for RUNAWAYS). This story is a bit less epic and almost mundane, but sweet and simple in a way. Cho sneaks into an abandoned base where Banner is hiding and seeks his aid in locating his lost pup. In reality, he manipulates him into following him to distract the ensuing military. Cho learns that Kirby has returned to the wild, gotten older and has a mate. While he recognizes Cho, the wolf also is wild enough to try to bite at him now. The wolves would have been blown to atoms (along with Cho) if the Hulk had not been there to protect him. Cho departs, having learned his lesson. It isn't the best story, but for a 10 page back up I have read far worse from MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS and ASTONISHING TALES over the years; for what it is, it's not bad. Miyazawa struggles with drawing the Hulk in some panels, though. He has a better handle on Hulkling. I'm not as keen on animal sidekicks as some readers so I don't really "miss" Kirby, but I am glad that a 10 page back up, and not a full issue or even two for all we knew, were used to settle this subplot. For 10 pages it works.

Regarding the back story of Heracles there were a couple inaccuracies. One he did not get invulnerability from drinking Hera's milk but it solidified his Godhood. Second, he had not yet done the twelve labours and killed the nemean lion. The comic was referring to the defeat of the Lion of Cithaeron.
 
I didn't say they're a part of the Avengers, but in a technical sense because they have an affiliation, doesn't that make Thunderbolts an Avengers book?
They're an Avengers title about as much as Avengers: The Initiative is.
 
True that. Especially since they're associated with Osborn whose team is really an Avengers team in name only.
 
Mr. Green what happened at the end Of Skaar #8? I'm so confused
 
What did happen at the end of Skaar 8? I stopped reading after issue 5.
 
Spidey saying "You had sex?" was funny but asides from a few moments here and there New Avengers #50 was just awful. The characters don't act realistically. They just keep talking and talking and talking in an incredibly annoying fashion. There were realy only two funny moments but every other time, the rest of the panels were filled with nothing but dialogue balloons.

And Bendis writes Clint Barton horribly. And he downright takes a **** on Bucky. Last I knew, Spider-Woman wasn't a part of the New Avengers, Cap hated bringing Wolverine onto the team, Iron Fist wasn't a part of the Avengers when he was alive, and he fought against Ms. Marvel in the Civil War. Personally I think if he were alive and chose his Avengers it would be Iron Man, Thor, and the Kooky Quartet.



What's wrong with you :csad:

Slott would at least respect the characterization Brubaker is doing with Bucky, unlike Bendis.

Dude, I love Slott's writing. I'm astonished this is Slott. Oh, and he also screwed up having Tony Stark still using Extremis.

The idea is that Bucky is building a team around what Cap formed. Iron Fist was on Cap's Secret Avengers (as DD), Cap thought Spider-Woman was on his team (besides, Logan invited her, not Bucky) and Cap was close with Carol before the Civil War. I don't see how Bendis isn't "respecting" what Bru's doing.

I love Bendis' take on Clint. The ending was totally in character and was exactly the kind of thing I didn't expect to see. Great move.

Cap couldn't reform the classic team anyway. Thor's busy, Tony's Tony, Wanda's a nut and Quicksilver screwed over a lot of people.
 
Dude, I love Slott's writing. I'm astonished this is Slott. Oh, and he also screwed up having Tony Stark still using Extremis.
You didn't read the issue, did you? Tony specifically says he wishes he still had his Extremis when he's fighting the Hulk. :huh:

Also, you're aware that Cap let Clint, Wanda, and Pietro on the team in the first place in order to reform them, right? The fact that Wanda and Pietro are sort of f***ed up now makes them perfect candidates if Bucky wants to follow in Cap's footsteps, especially since he's reforming himself by being Captain America in the first place.
 
Proof #17: This was a very good, stand-alone issue that draws a bit on previous storylines and sets up a future one. I'm hoping things pick up a bit after this; because, I found the last storyline not as good as what I had read previously. This issue tells the backstory of how the Chupacabra came into the states, and sets up it's future plans at The Lodge, in order to get back at Proof. I hope this story does continue next issue...but, it felt like more of a teaser for things to come at a later date.

8/10

Savage Dragon #145: Jumping on the popularity of the Spider-Man issue, this cover shows Savage Dragon shaking hands with Obama. Knowing people will pick this up simply for that fact (ok, like I just did, as I only grab an issue of Savage Dragon if the cover grabs me), Erik Larsen makes this a good jumping on point for possible new fans. Instantly, it lets the reader know what has gone on before, that the "Vicious Circle" is rebuilding and getting stronger, and the higher-ups would like Savage Dragon stop being a bounty hunter and go back to being a cop. Of course, this sets up Obama's appearance, as he's assigned to help protect the President while he's visiting Chicago. While giving a speech, Obama is attacked; but, it's designed to draw Savage Dragon's attention away from a bank heist. Finally, in an attempt to keep the new readers, Larsen ends this issue with a big cliff hanger, as the Vicious Circle blows up the police station, making it appear as if only Savage Dragon lived through the assault.

Not a bad issue, and much better than some previous ones I've read from time to time throughout the years; still, I'm not sure if I'll pick up issue #146 to find out what happens next. Larsen tends to rush things; his action sequences end as quickly as they begin...and, he's not that good with dialogue.

6/10

The Sword #15: Well, the one thing you cannot say about the Lunas Brothers when it comes to their writing "The Sword" is that the action sequences are too rushed. Just as with the first of the villianous, God-like threesome that killed her family, Dara must beat the second in a very long, drawn out battle, generally taking 3 or 4 issues to tell. It's a little frustrating for the reader...because, they have you so engrossed in their story, that you hate to wait another month to find out what happens next. This is a bloody battle. Bodies are hacked and slashed throughout with the sword; and, the final, full-page scene is one to remember. This is definitely one of my favorite titles I'm reading each month, and it's even better than their previous 24-issue story, "Girls."

9/10
 
I'm pretty sure it was known before the Spidey issue came out that Savage Dragon would be meeting Obama. Larsen's a big fan.
 
Actually this is the second savage dragon cover with obama, he did one a while ago (before the ASM issue) and he's been pretty pissed at marvel for "stealing his idea"
 
Not exactly a novel idea to begin with. "People like Obama... hey, let's put him in a comic for a quick sales boost!"
 
Agreed, larsen's whining like a little ***** about it and it's a shame cause I really like a lot of his stuff.
 
New Avengers #50, was pretty much hit and miss.

Use of separate artists for each character was a cool affect. Seeing the likes of Epting, Aja and McNiven doing there signature characters was especially awesome. But the inner monologue for Spidey and Bucky was downright terrible.

I liked Spidey's "You've had sex" zinger but stuff like that is quickly forgotten when you have panels of characters interacting like this..

Spider-Man: Where are we?
Wolverine: The Hellfire Club
Ms Marvel: Genius
Spider-Man: Totally. Where are we?
Wolverine: The Hellfire Club

And for the record, Mighty is leading the way for me. Sure the villians are a bit C-List but other than that I'm loving Slotts run so far.
 
Personally, I like Chthon. Dude's an Elder God, which is kind of a big deal. Although it may have been a bit much to start this ragtag band of Avengers off against him. Still, I think Mighty will start picking people's interest back up when we start seeing some more recognizable classic Avengers villains and the team stabilizes a bit.
 
What did happen at the end of Skaar 8? I stopped reading after issue 5.

The end reveal is the Hulk attacking Skaar. how's Hulk attacking Skaar on Sakaar when he's on Earth. its a total WTF just happened ending. but this is part 2 of a 4 part story. and the end result will be Skaar coming to Earth.
 
You didn't read the issue, did you? Tony specifically says he wishes he still had his Extremis when he's fighting the Hulk. :huh:

Also, you're aware that Cap let Clint, Wanda, and Pietro on the team in the first place in order to reform them, right? The fact that Wanda and Pietro are sort of f***ed up now makes them perfect candidates if Bucky wants to follow in Cap's footsteps, especially since he's reforming himself by being Captain America in the first place.

Oh, please, Corp. I have never once claimed to have read a book when I hadn't. Don't pull that. I read it. I wish I hadn't, but I read it. I misread the line. It doesn't make the issue any less cliche or unenjoyable, though. I'm not trashing Slott, I just think it sucked. I like some old school Avengers. Busiek/Perez was one of my all-time favorite title runs. This reads more like early '90's Pre-Crossing Avengers, though.

Wanda wasn't a schizophrenic murderer at the time and Pietro was actually interested in being an Avenger at the time. I'd find it much less believable if, all of a sudden, these characters were back as Avengers.

When you write characters like these, you have to let plots naturally progress sometimes. Will both those characters return to the fold eventually? Quite possibly. I'd bet Quicksilver ends up on the roster of the Mighty Avengers after this arc, in fact. Wanda will take a lot more time. Having Bucky go recruit Wanda and Pietro would make no sense.
 
Spider-Man: Where are we?
Wolverine: The Hellfire Club
Ms Marvel: Genius
Spider-Man: Totally. Where are we?
Wolverine: The Hellfire Club

Now, see, I loved that part. Does Spidey know what The Hellfire Club is? Because if he doesn't, then his reaction would be just like mine.

If he should know what The Hellfire Club is, it's not bad dialogue, it's bad continuity.
 
Yeah, the issue made mention that Savage Dragon had supported Obama's presidential run; as I read this comic for a good year, I wasn't aware of Larsen's complaints..but, thanks for letting me know. I love hearing about the drama behind the scenes. I'll say this for Larsen, he did a better job of garnering interest from new readers with this issue than the Spidey comic Marvel put out.

Conan The Cimmerian #8: A new storyline begins, as Conan joins an army of Corinthians for the fun of battle as they wage war over territory from Koth. It's really not as important as stuff that will come later, as a mystic being, calling himself "The Scorpion," is going to end up in Conan's path.

At times it seems the motto holds, "if you've read one Conan story, you've read them all." But, the same can be said for other titles, like Jonah Hex. I just like to read a few comics that aren't always superhero related; and, a nice barbarian tale filled with sorcery and bloody battles is nice for a comic book diet. Sure, it's nothing groundbreaking; but, the writers serve up some good escapist reading, and the art goes well with it.

7/10

Madame Xanadu #8: Madame Xanadu's travel through time continues are she attempts to stop the needless slaughter of prositutes by Jack The Ripper, only to be constantly thwarted by The Phantom Stranger. It's explained that if M.X. had heeded his previous warnings from issue #1 about saving Camelot, none of this slaughter would have happened. It's explained that the demon, Etrigan, is trying to be birthed in this world, and if it happens, when he's old enough, "a tyrant such as the world has never known" would show "the depths of depravity" and, "the scope of his genocides would breach any historic example." Also, it seems as if The Phantom Stranger is stirring up anti-Jewish sentiment; which, makes me believe this is leading up to the Holocaust. Is Etrigan going to be born, and we'll discover he will be inhabiting the body of Hitler? It does seem to be heading that way with the clues revealed these past two issues.

This is a fantastic title! The art lends itself beautifully to the story; Madame Xanadu's interaction with The Phantom Stranger only gets more and more interesting with each passing issue; and, with each new clue, I get more excited about the upcoming issues and where Wagner is taking this thing. It's definitely my favorite Vertigo title currently being released.

9/10
 
Personally, I like Chthon. Dude's an Elder God, which is kind of a big deal. Although it may have been a bit much to start this ragtag band of Avengers off against him. Still, I think Mighty will start picking people's interest back up when we start seeing some more recognizable classic Avengers villains and the team stabilizes a bit.


I think he was a GREAT villain to start up against. He's powerful enough to give any Avenger's team a run for the money AND we haven't seen him in a while.


The only ones I can think of that might have been better are a bit more Avengery. Maybe Korvac or Count Nefaria.


But as far as I'm concerned Cthon is pure genius. Like the Mordred appearance too. One of my favorite mages.



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