I don't really want Walker to be treated as a villain again, personally, but he would fit pretty well on the Dark Avengers. Granted, he'd probably beat the crap out of Bullseye and Gargan when he realizes what they're doing behind the scenes.
Agreed. I see Walker as a bit of a dick but I've never thought of him being a monster, much like the majority of the DA. Maybe he's taking Osborn at face value much like the rest of the Marvel pop seems to be doing right now.
Well, I'm sure he agrees with Osborn's general policy of increased toughness on villains. He's had his hands tied being associated with the pantywaists in the cape & tights set for years now, and he's always chafed under those constraints.
But that's only what Osborn shows the public. A select few of those villains get carte blanche to do pretty much whatever they want within the limits of what Osborn can hush up using his political power. That s*** ain't gonna fly with Walker. He may be a brute who punches first and asks questions later, but he's never been one to cut deals with the bad guys. His is a very black and white world, so seeing the seedy underbelly of Osborn's practices up close would pretty much set him right back to where he started or even toss him to the opposite extreme on the New Avengers.
Yeah, I'm sure Walker would've hugged Clint and probably teared up a little bit when Clint was ranting about murdering Osborn in The List. "Barton... buddy... I always knew ya had it in ya, even back in the old days on the west coast team. Ya done me proud, kid. Ya done me proud."
I don't really want Walker to be treated as a villain again, personally, but he would fit pretty well on the Dark Avengers. Granted, he'd probably beat the crap out of Bullseye and Gargan when he realizes what they're doing behind the scenes.
Just because one is a member of the Dark Avengers, doesn't automatically make them a villain. Ares and the Sentry are performing the same roles that they did on Mighty Avengers as heroes, but Osborn is ordering them to do villainous things because Ares has no problem with it and the Sentry is easy to manipulate. Noh-Varr joined the Dark Avengers thinking that they were heroes.
The more I think about it, the more awesome it would be to have Walker defect to the Dark Avengers and present it as an interesting tale of heroism and what it means to be a patriot, a hero, and teammate.
Yeah, I'm sure Walker would've hugged Clint and probably teared up a little bit when Clint was ranting about murdering Osborn in The List. "Barton... buddy... I always knew ya had it in ya, even back in the old days on the west coast team. Ya done me proud, kid. Ya done me proud."
Just because one is a member of the Dark Avengers, doesn't automatically make them a villain. Ares and the Sentry are performing the same roles that they did on Mighty Avengers as heroes, but Osborn is ordering them to do villainous things because Ares has no problem with it and the Sentry is easy to manipulate. Noh-Varr joined the Dark Avengers thinking that they were heroes.
The more I think about it, the more awesome it would be to have Walker defect to the Dark Avengers and present it as an interesting tale of heroism and what it means to be a patriot, a hero, and teammate.
Right, but the fact of the matter is, most of the people on the Dark Avengers are villains. Ares included. I assume Norman keeps the other members' illicit activities a secret from the Sentry and possibly Noh-Varr. Unless he does the same with Walker, Walker's gonna rebel against his regime for permitting such behavior--and we know Walker doesn't take kindly to being kept out of the loop from his overseers' illicit activities from the Weapon Omega story in Marvel Comics Presents. He's not that much of a government tool.
Right, but the fact of the matter is, most of the people on the Dark Avengers are villains. Ares included. I assume Norman keeps the other members' illicit activities a secret from the Sentry and possibly Noh-Varr. Unless he does the same with Walker, Walker's gonna rebel against his regime for permitting such behavior--and we know Walker doesn't take kindly to being kept out of the loop from his overseers' illicit activities from the Weapon Omega story in Marvel Comics Presents. He's not that much of a government tool.
Of course Walker would ultimately rebel once he sees Norman for what it is and realizes that the role of Captain America and being seen as an A-list hero in the eyes of the ******ed Marvel public is not worth it. It would be the perfect conclusion with Walker joining the team of heroes to take down Osborn and as a character begins to step out of the shadow of Steve Rogers.
I also don't see Ares as a villain in Dark Avengers. He just simply sees Osborn taking charge as a changing of the guard like the change from the Bush Administration to the Obama Administration. Here it's Tony Stark to Norman Osborn. The only times he has really been portrayed as a villain is when Greg Pak writes him. The other times, he's just simply an anti-hero in the vein of Wolverine and the Punisher who puts up with Osborn's crap.
I wasn't as impressed with Ultimate Avengers #2, Green Lantern Corps #40, and Blackest Night: Batman #2 as most people here. There's nothing wrong with them as comics. But they all felt underwhelming. That Red Skull backstory...doesn't work for me. I mean, really?
Cap's son, who's never met him, tore off his face to avoid looking like him?
Also, I know it's comics and all, but walking around with [BLACKOUT]exposed superficial fascia[/BLACKOUT] can't be healthy. The whole thing was kinda stupid in an otherwise boring comic. Everyone talks about the Salaak speech, but that's all I can remember happening in GLC. I found the rest to be a case of the issue trying too hard to be awesome. As for Batman...it was okay. It felt like the Black Lantern "reveals" (at least, from the characters' perspectives) at the end were too rushed, but I guess that's because they deal with it in the last issue.
I got Hulk Team-Up #1 'cause Alex Zalben of Comic Book Club fame wrote the second story. Gotta admit, though, I was feelin' the first one more than his. I don't usually agree with Pete, but a Dazzler/Hulk story worked out about as well as Ultimate Hulk Annual #1 worked out with Zarda/Hulk...which was, not so great.
Overall, okay week. Not "impressive," just "okay."
I was thinking about getting Hulk Team-Up #1 for the same reason but decided against it. Then I watched the review in which Alex teamed up the Hulk with Dazzler and well....Dazzler is ****ing lame.
Of course Walker would ultimately rebel once he sees Norman for what it is and realizes that the role of Captain America and being seen as an A-list hero in the eyes of the ******ed Marvel public is not worth it. It would be the perfect conclusion with Walker joining the team of heroes to take down Osborn and as a character begins to step out of the shadow of Steve Rogers.
I also don't see Ares as a villain in Dark Avengers. He just simply sees Osborn taking charge as a changing of the guard like the change from the Bush Administration to the Obama Administration. Here it's Tony Stark to Norman Osborn. The only times he has really been portrayed as a villain is when Greg Pak writes him. The other times, he's just simply an anti-hero in the vein of Wolverine and the Punisher who puts up with Osborn's crap.
Ares lives for war. He's technically amoral, I guess, but perpetuating fights tends to push one into villainous territory more often than not. He doesn't care about the people he's ostensibly supposed to be protecting. Heaven help those people if they get between him and someone he genuinely hates like Hercules, too. He finds fighting fun and will do so for whomever agrees to pay his bills. That's an amoral mercenary at best. Anti-heroes at least tend to stand for something.
Ares lives for war. He's technically amoral, I guess, but perpetuating fights tends to push one into villainous territory more often than not. He doesn't care about the people he's ostensibly supposed to be protecting. Heaven help those people if they get between him and someone he genuinely hates like Hercules, too. He finds fighting fun and will do so for whomever agrees to pay his bills. That's an amoral mercenary at best. Anti-heroes at least tend to stand for something.
He fights for his son to live a normal life. Getting paid and having fun are just perks of the job. Before Stark blew his cover, he just wanted a peaceful life with Alexander. He also cares how people view him or else he wouldn't hate Hercules so much.
I will admit that I did like it when Pak wrote Ares in a more villainous role in Incredible Hercules but not because he was a villain but because Ares was jealous of Hercules. He was angry that everyone despised him simply because he was the God of "War." Despite being on the Avengers, everyone still hates him. Hercules on the other hand committed just as many atrocities as Ares and yet everyone loved him.
But his appearance in Pak's War Machine was just horrid. He was nothing but a blood thirsty villain in that one, going against his more recent characterizations as a slightly amoral anti-hero.
I wasn't as impressed with Ultimate Avengers #2, Green Lantern Corps #40, and Blackest Night: Batman #2 as most people here. There's nothing wrong with them as comics. But they all felt underwhelming. That Red Skull backstory...doesn't work for me. I mean, really?
Cap's son, who's never met him, tore off his face to avoid looking like him?
Also, I know it's comics and all, but walking around with [blackout]exposed superficial fascia[/blackout] can't be healthy. The whole thing was kinda stupid in an otherwise boring comic. Everyone talks about the Salaak speech, but that's all I can remember happening in GLC. I found the rest to be a case of the issue trying too hard to be awesome. As for Batman...it was okay. It felt like the Black Lantern "reveals" (at least, from the characters' perspectives) at the end were too rushed, but I guess that's because they deal with it in the last issue.
I got Hulk Team-Up #1 'cause Alex Zalben of Comic Book Club fame wrote the second story. Gotta admit, though, I was feelin' the first one more than his. I don't usually agree with Pete, but a Dazzler/Hulk story worked out about as well as Ultimate Hulk Annual #1 worked out with Zarda/Hulk...which was, not so great.
Overall, okay week. Not "impressive," just "okay."
I think Corp used to watch them back when they were on Newsarama, too.
They're a pretty cool trio of reviewers, and comic reviewers are hard to come by as it is. It's also nice to know people in the industry keep tabs on what they're saying on a weekly basis.
I still do. I stopped for a while because I rarely ever go to YouTube, but I watched a show last week and saw that they (finally) got their show back on iTunes in podcast form, so I subscribed and will be watching them regularly again starting this week.
They had a show devoted entirely to Hulk Team-Up last week. Pete hated Alex's story and Justin thought it was decent. Brutal honesty!
I picked up Hulk Team-Up but have yet to read it. I always blow through a bunch of comics I'm really excited for and then take forever getting around to the rest.
I also read Punisher Max #74 this week. Does anyone else read this? I don't ever see anyone talking about it here. The Welcome to the Bayou story was really good. I love that backwoods hillbilly sicko ****. Brings me back to the good ol' Ennis/Dillon Preacher days.
Thunderbolts was good also, even though I'm not really caught up on that one as I'd like to be. Andy Diggle is a good writer. I'm looking forward to his upcoming Daredevil stint. I'm gonna go back and reread his run on Hellblazer.
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