Bought/Thought "I should be studying" Edition for Dec.6th!

[deemar325]

Alright I'm out later fellas!

 

[Anubis]

But would that really make sense? Am I the only one that doesn't see the FF as a group like Avengers where they're you're classic Superheroes? The FF, for the most part, deal with you know, scientific s**t. Exploring some advanced civilization on the ass end of an atom. Taking on some Alien invasion. That sorta thing. Without Reed, there just doesn't seem to be a point for the FF. They're Imaginauts, not a super team.

 

[Anubis]

Alright I'm out later fellas!

See ya.

 

[Kevin]

Do you like All-Star Batman and Robin?

No, I don't.

 

[Dread]

Personally I think from a story telling perspective an anti-reg FF has more potential. The FF has never had to cope with anonymity because of their celeberaty status and it might be interesting to see them trying to avoid the spotlight for a change. Beside the whole government endorsed super team seems like it is going to be covered by Mighty Avengers.

That's true. Plus, one could argue that the fact that the Fan Four HAVE had long, successful stints in the past without Reed may note that most fans find some of them, especially Thing and Human Torch, more interesting. Hopefully a Fan Four book could interweave all of the cast so we have some idea what they all are doing. Confused? Think of how Vaughan and Kirkman manage to have at least one of the 7 people in Ultimate X-Men say or do something so we know where they are. The Four are only, well, Four, so even if they all are not on the same page, this should be doable. Fortunately, McDuffie has a lot of experience. I mean HOW many heroes got thrown into JLU?

 

[Hush]

65 at last count wasnt it?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Why not? Does Marvel have to stress Captain America is American? Black Panther represents both Wakanda and by default Africa as a whole, does 'stressing' his place of origin Africa make him seem (less than) too you? I've read comics all my life of characters who represent countries and ethnicity.
Not once did I say "Damn I'm so tired of that Banshee and his Irish heritage..." or "Screw that Jewish Ben Grimm!" So what if Hudlin's focus is on BP's African background? For one Hudlin's black so naturally he'd want to tackle the issue, Two: Why are people so up in arms about a comic with a mostly 'black' point of view? For over seventy years it wasn't a problem when most superheroes where white guys (Usually with Irish/Scottish names.) No one cried bloody murder when Tarzan is running around Africa calling himself 'Lord of the Jungle' or when a Native American like Tonto rides shotgun to the pure as the white driven snow Lone Ranger, when in reality Tonto is aiding a masked guy who wantly shoots down 'Injuns'. Ironfist could have easily been Asian instead of white, really it would be most likely that he would've been Asian.Yet the theme of the white hero appropriating the mantle/legacy/role/culture of the minority as to show the superiority of the white guy to take over the role of hero in that culture exp: Tarzan,the Phantom,Ironfist,Flaming Skull,Tom Cruise (Last Samurai),Alan Quatermain..etc..

Except Black Panther seems to be solely based on his race. I'd like to see the book that tackles something that doesn't have the message "I'm black!" It's like Hudlin can't stay off that subject. It's good once and a while, but this book is on over 20 issues.

Umm..ever heard of George Bush? Plus BP has deep ties to America and the Avengers sooo..it's not farfetched that he would be involved in such things.

You mean that *****ebag that we have for a President. But what Black Panther is doing is basically an act of war by opposing the US government, allying himself in a rebel faction and fighting for them.

So you assume, he didn't last this long by having only black fans. Especially when most of the readership is twentysomething white guys, add to the possibilty that other minorties i.e. Latinos,Asians..etc..might have latched on to finally a noble none Anglo superhero. Hell, Marvel editor Axel Alonzo's favorite hero is Black Panther.

No, I didn't mean actual black people. That would be a racist assumption. I mean the people who gathered in Washington DC with the "I love Wakanda" signs. Thousands of people were out there to see Black Panther and his new queen and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS BLACK. Are there no white people in the Marvel Universe that likes him or something?

I don't hear you whinning when Superman or (Blank white superhero) is fighting in front of a white crowd and it happens all the time! Wow! A bunch of blacks in one place!? Just like white folk?!

Except Hudlin is just making the SHRA look as *****ey as possible which got old, really quickly in the entire Civil War event.

First off, BP is the near equal to Tony in intellect, second he has resources that Cap doesn't have readily on hand, BP has fought Tony many times in a battle of both wits and brawn. BP is known to be a master tactian and strategist sure Tony is amped up power wise and I do agree BP should have had his ass handed to him, but it's likely T'challa has been keeping tabs on Tony and his advancements so it wouuld be less of a suprise for him to find that Tony is much more powerful than before.

Although, on this point I agree with you ultimately.

I don't think that Black Panther's skills are in debate. I think that we can all agree that he is a great warrior with a great mind. But damn, he took down Iron Man and made him look like an ass with too much ease. And is it just me, or do I find the "Ebony Blade" to just be plain stupid.

Yeah.. Anyways.. So what if Marvel wants to raise the level of a none white superhero? It benefits them by bringing in more diverse readers, just like Wonderwoman is so revelant to girls. Reggie started with a rough start, but quickly came up to speed in the quality in my opinion on the book yeah it could be better, but it's still a good read.

I don't give a damn about a character's race, gender, or sexuality. I just want a good story. Race can be used for a good story, but in Black Panther it just gets overused to the point of redundancy.

That's actually damn funny, even I gotta kick outta that. ^

Gotta love Pass Fail Studios.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Two words: Dwayne McDuffie.

I would love to see him on Black Panther!

 

[hippie_hunter]

No, I don't.

Well that mostly puts an axe to my theory.

 

[Kevin]

t: What was the theory?

 

[Doc Destruction]

Anybody else think its hilarious how DC had to make sure you understood that Detective took place before Joker got a cap in his head?

Hey, I'd give my left nut for editorial comments explaining continuity from BOTH companies, so I was kinda glad to see the explanation.

Okay, not my nut...maybe a dollar.

 

[Darthphere]

Hey, I'd give my left nut for editorial comments explaining continuity from BOTH companies, so I was kinda glad to see the explanation.

Okay, not my nut...maybe a dollar.

Um not really, they put that there so Morrison has his epic return of the Joker story, not because they wanted to fix continuity, because as it is, it really doesn't fit with the timeline.

 

[Doc Destruction]

At least they took the effort to explain it to people. They could have just left it as is.

 

[Darthphere]

At least they took the effort to explain it to people. They could have just left it as is.

They're covering their ass, because Morrison's Joker return was supposed to happen as we speak, but since he got backtracked, we get a nice fill-in arc and theres no way in hell theyre going to let Dini take Morrion's return of the Joker glory.

 

[Dread]

They're covering their ass, because Morrison's Joker return was supposed to happen as we speak, but since he got backtracked, we get a nice fill-in arc and theres no way in hell theyre going to let Dini take Morrion's return of the Joker glory.

Of course not. Morrison is a celebrated overrated (at times), while all Dini did was co-create a cartoon universe that likely created an entire generation of new Batman and DC fans.

Plus, he didn't stretch a 1 issue story into 4 with weirdness and exposition. What a loser he is.

Sense my sarcasm? Sometimes "writer hype" is annoying. Like how Bendis' shopping list would garner more sales than anything Dan Slott has done so far.

 

[Anubis]

I sense a touch of over sensitivity to a simple editors note. A lot of people might have said, "Didn't joker get shot in the Face? WTF is he doing kidnapping Robin and running people over with an SUV? MY WHOLE WORLD IS FALLING APART!!!!" Everybody doesnt possess common sense, hence all the whining and b***hing there is on the Internet about everything that is. There really should be more editors notes and crap in comics. Especially during events like Civil War, and the revelation of events that happened during the missing year in the DCU.

 

[Darthphere]

I sense a touch of over sensitivity to a simple editors note. A lot of people might have said, "Didn't joker get shot in the Face? WTF is he doing kidnapping Robin and running people over with an SUV? MY WHOLE WORLD IS FALLING APART!!!!" Everybody doesnt possess common sense, hence all the whining and b***hing there is on the Internet about everything that is. There really should be more editors notes and crap in comics. Especially during events like Civil War, and the revelation of events that happened during the missing year in the DCU.

Its not the editors note itself that bothers me, its the fact that theyre playing favorites with writers.

 

[Anubis]

How so?

 

[Darthphere]

Didn't I explain it already?

 

[hippie_hunter]

t: What was the theory?

That you are instantly drawn to bad comics. All-Star Batman and Robin would have confirmed that theory.

 

[Anubis]

If Morrison is late, it's understandable. He's got a lot on his plate. Wildcats, Authority, Allstar Supes, 52, Batman, and whatever else he's got coming up. But I fail to see how a story that takes place before his run even started can conceivably steal Morrison's thunder, or how putting an editors note in the front of said one shot, can somehow be considered, playing favorites. It's a necessity in an age of f**ked up continuity.

 

[Dread]

How so?

Morrison's upcoming Joker story, which will likely be multi-parts, is "hot S***" and all that at DC. Paul Dini writes a perfectly readable one-shot with Joker, and DC says nothing. DETECTIVE is obviously the red-headed stepchild next to Morrison's BATMAN, even if he's being overworked across DC and Wildstorm and now Ostrander has to fill in on BATMAN.

 

[Anubis]

Ohhh, so it's a question of promotion? Well, what's more important, a One shot, or a six issue story arc? Still seems like an overreaction.

 

[Darthphere]

If Morrison is late, it's understandable. He's got a lot on his plate. Wildcats, Authority, Allstar Supes, 52, Batman, and whatever else he's got coming up. But I fail to see how a story that takes place before his run even started can conceivably steal Morrison's thunder, or how putting an editors note in the front of said one shot, can somehow be considered, playing favorites. It's a necessity in an age of f**ked up continuity.

No, you don't understand. The Joker in Detective was supposed to be the same Joker as the one in Batman by Morrison, the stories were supposed to run alongside each other. It just creates a bigger continuity cluster**** figuring that Joker hadnt been shot by the time Christmas came along? Please.

 

[Anubis]

Is that what they said? That these were supposed to be running along side by side? If they did, then I suppose they screwed up. But, from what I've read, I haven't seen anything that would say that they were supposed to. I mean, when Morrison's run started, Bat's had been working so hard, that they had cleaned out Gotham and Alfred was trying to get him to take a vacation. I'd have to figure that Morrison's entire run took place after Dini's Detective run.