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BOUGHT/THOUGHT Dec. 20th Edition

Brainiac 8 said:
I would like to hear some of the conversations that Bagley has with Bendis.

Bendis: "Ok, what we are going to do is try and remake the Clone Saga, only this time in my image, and it won't suck."

Bagley: "But, Brian, anything that has the name Clone Saga sucks."

Bendis: "Mine won't. Do you see how much USM I sell each month?"

Bagley: "But...you did see Spider Man in the 90's didn't you?"

Bendis: "Yea, but those writers and artists were not that great."

Bagley: "But...I was one of those artists.:csad: "

Bendis: "Sucks to be you then."

Bagley: "That's it! I quit after the Knights story! You suck Brian!"

:p
I just see poor Bagley perhaps having "war flashbacks". Spidercide haunts his dreams.

WOLVERINE25TH said:
As a fan of the original Clone Saga, I'd just like to say Bendis completely and totally sucks. Thank you.
You're welcome. And yes the Clone Saga has fans, although I am not one of them. In fact, from the letters pages of USM, you'd think that ALL Spider-fans were CS fans. They only print letters that begin, "I was one of the few who liked the Clone Saga" or words to that effect.

Kool-Aid said:
How come you can get to critical about this, but not IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA: CASUALTIES OF WAR? Or get mad about how this story happend to late where again you didn't with IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA: CASUALTIES OF WAR?

I did mention that IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA: CASUALTIES OF WAR admittedly came out too late and made little tactical or realistic sense. However, it's not part of an ongoing like NA was. There is no reason why this story couldn't have some out as NA #16 when it would have had more weight. I also felt it wasn't as well done as CASUALTIES was. CASUALTIES had a lot more dialogue and weight to it.

The fact is, and I will admit this is hypocritical, that as Marvel's #1 writer, Bendis has much higher expectations. It's life. Who has higher expectations on the Miami Heat? Their newest rookie or Shaq? If the rookie plays for 3 minutes and gets 5 points, he's doing well, but if Shaq does the same, he's a bum? It's because of expectations.
 
Dread, your USM review brought a smile to my face. Also I'm with you on the artwork, Bags seemed to be lacking with this issue.
 
I was alot more pleased with War Crimes and Casualties of War than I thought I would be, at first it was like "oh great more one-shots for civil war" but I was glad to see Casualties of War showed the pro-registration in such a way that it should of been portrayed throughout all of Civil War.
 
Red X said:
Dread, your USM review brought a smile to my face. Also I'm with you on the artwork, Bags seemed to be lacking with this issue.
Glad you liked it. Your avatar reminds me that IRON FIST #2 is next week. Awesome. :D
 
Dread said:
I did mention that IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA: CASUALTIES OF WAR admittedly came out too late and made little tactical or realistic sense. However, it's not part of an ongoing like NA was. There is no reason why this story couldn't have some out as NA #16 when it would have had more weight. I also felt it wasn't as well done as CASUALTIES was. CASUALTIES had a lot more dialogue and weight to it.

The fact is, and I will admit this is hypocritical, that as Marvel's #1 writer, Bendis has much higher expectations. It's life. Who has higher expectations on the Miami Heat? Their newest rookie or Shaq? If the rookie plays for 3 minutes and gets 5 points, he's doing well, but if Shaq does the same, he's a bum? It's because of expectations.


True, but I don't think he had time to fit it in earlier, because of the arcs prior to this were build ups to other projects (Spider-Woman, Sentry and the New Alpha Fight). Plus this was a flashback issue so I feel its more acceptable. Also with CW going they had to put in arcs that tied in with that.
 
Kool-Aid said:
True, but I don't think he had time to fit it in earlier, because of the arcs prior to this were build ups to other projects (Spider-Woman, Sentry and the New Alpha Fight). Plus this was a flashback issue so I feel its more acceptable. Also with CW going they had to put in arcs that tied in with that.
In a way, NEW AVENGERS has been a little behind for a while. The COLLECTIVE arc tied heavilly with HOM and "Xorneto", and by the time it ended, the MU was already into maybe CIVIL WAR #2. Then when the CW tie in issues came out, many of them seemed to take place between CW #1 and #2 when it was already on #3 and #4. I just feel that had this issue came out at #16, when THE COLLECTIVE started, it would have felt more relevent. Plus, it was a little slow and slightly confusing. More about "mood" than story I felt. It also feels like such a waste to reduce Scarlet Witch to that. Quicksilver you could argue got some sort of boost, but she's been left to the wind.
 
Dread said:
Bought/Thought for Dec. 20th Part II: The Bendis Trifecta (amung others):
Amazingly, NO ONE ELSE BUT CLINT has the brains to try looking at Wundagore Mountain, where he literally bumps into her after walking on the street for 5 seconds.

Why not? Nobody goes to Wundagore. You can't even find hot and cold running water there! :yay:
 
BOUGHT:

Punisher #42
JSA#1
JLA#4
New Avengers: Illuminati #1

THOUGHT:

To lazy to type them up, but I'll say what I thought about them when I can. :o
 
The Punisher said:
BOUGHT:

Punisher #42
JSA#1
JLA#4
New Avengers: Illuminati #1

THOUGHT:

To lazy to type them up, but I'll say what I thought about them when I can. :o

Glad I'm not the only one who read it. :woot:

I thought it was a f**kin' awesome conclusion. I just wished we got to actually see Punisher kill Rawlins. I was hoping we would get to see the most violent, flamboyant deaths of the series for the biggest ass-hole of the MAX series. :csad:
 
Dude, I agree. I wanted to see what Frank would do to Rawlins other than cutting his hand off. Still, like I said in the other thread, I loved the arc. Rawlins was a prick, lol. Can't wait for the next arc.
 
When Adamantine was introducing the team to the Thing he says that La Lumiere Bleue(The Blue Light) prowls the Louvre Museum like a phantom in the night.

But later the Thing asks Detective Fantome why he prowls the Louvre at night.
 
I got the new issue of Daredevil in the mail today, and I thought it was great. I'm new to the artistic style of this book, and I love it. The writing was pretty good too, although a strong majority of the book is explanations (not that that's a bad thing) and not a lot of action. Still, Brubaker delivers another good issue.
4/5

Edit: To be fair, if I understood a little more about the characters and stories of Daredevil, this revelation might've had more of an impact on me, and I might've liked it a bit more.
 
B.U.M. said:
When Adamantine was introducing the team to the Thing he says that La Lumiere Bleue(The Blue Light) prowls the Louvre Museum like a phantom in the night.

But later the Thing asks Detective Fantome why he prowls the Louvre at night.


That isn't a mistake.


Part 1 - Told that some guy prowls.

Part 2 - asks why said guy prowls......


I Don't see the error.
 
Part one - said guy a prowls.

Par two - asks guy b why he, as in guy b, prowls.
 
Dread said:
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #103: Bendis' 3rd comic out in one week, and if any storyline is the definition of a dead horse being beaten, and then shat on, and then set on fire, this is it. Issue #102 got such a negative review from me that some people reading it were surprised. At first optimistic about this storyline, it has gone downhill into oblivion at the midway point, and it audaciously seems set to clock in at a staggering NINE chapters (8 issues and an epilogue). For chrissakes, does Bendis think this drivel is some work of art? Granted, few franchises seem to last that many chapters except horror movies, which usually by then are far past the point of being decent, so I guess it fits. Bagley's art also looks rushed in some panels, saved only by the colorist; I could understand him, a survivor of the 90's Clone Saga that STRANGLED the life out of the Spider-Franchise for maybe a half dozen years, losing all hope and energy at this point. He and Bendis want to beat the Stan & Kirby record on FANTASTIC FOUR and do with this issue, but my god for all the wrong reasons. I am just so tired of this storyline that every issue is almost a chore to read; there is some faint possibility of a spectatular finish, but that is improbable. The good? No MJ-Sasquatch-Demon Gerbil action. And Dr. Octopus goading Peter Parker by going, "Is Spider-Man going to cry?" got me to laugh out loud, because that is all he's done for some time now. Cry, lose, cry, lose, cry, lose, like some D-list actress who always get nominated but never wins the award. And Nick Fury stops being a complete *****ebag, although his role in the story still is confusing and awkward. There also is a last minute twist revelation about Dr. Octopus' powers that is sort of clever and works because, this is the Ultimate universe after all where you don't have to slavishly stick to canon (even if it basically makes him a poor man's Magneto, able to control metal but using it mostly to make & control his tentacles). Kitty Pryde and the Fan 4 guest star and all are written competantly, and serve to distract the reader from the main, fecal-matter laden plot.

The Bad? Well, if you enjoy all these clones, then you're one of the few. Six-Armed was the coolest one, so of course he dies a quick death. So does Half-Face. Richard Parker is revealed to simply be an age-enhanced clone who was made to believe he was Peter's father, so the overpriced issue #100 is now offically worthless. Come to think of it, this is the UPTEENTH story from Bendis that basically climaxes with "after a series of random crap where the hero runs around being confused and screaming lines with 2-3 exclamation points, some figure emerges from out of nowhere and spends at least 15 pages carefully explaining the plot as everyone stands around, as if he's Hamlet's dead father or something". DISASSEMBLED ended this way. SECRET WAR ended this way. THE COLLECTIVE ended this way. This is seriously getting old and repetitive, and I won't even bother mentioning the USM stories that ended that way, especially in the last few arcs where Spidey has been in a helpless streak. And Doc Ock does a big explaination about how he cut a deal with the FBI to make them spider-soldiers from Rielly's stolen DNA that Peter gave to Conners (that created Carnage, and the death kneel of USM) because many in the gov't dislike that Fury is the one with access to the nation's mostly unstable metahumans. BUT, he fails to mention how Gwenage tied into this, or Richard Parker. The rest of the clones all had powers, but how and why did they clone Gwen and splice her into a Carnage? And what purpose did Richard Parker have aside for a red herring? Ock didn't even claim to have thrown some loops on purpose so it just comes off as pointless baloney. And if Fury was so in the dark about all this, why did he attack Peter Parker when he at least seemed to know that he wasn't responsible for the clones? "I'm arresting you because someone else has cloned your DNA and even though your arrest does nothing to stop or kill these clones, just to make your life miserable". Worst of all, the story shatters the comfortable and relatable status quo that basically updated the Spidey mythos for a new generation, which was why I came to like and read USM. Now it has deevloved into a conveluted mess sooner than ASM, and for what!? Bendis' ego trip on trying to succeed in a storyline that fans overwhelmingly hated and even the writers said went wrong? I mean he all but dared us by going, "Oh, sure, 616 was crap but I'm going to do it better" and he just doesn't. He's burried the book in B.S. convelution. Fans don't like clones. They rarely did before and don't now. Anywhere in comics. It never works. Ever. And with the finale looming, I SO see where it is going; Spider-Woman, the perfect hunk of Parker genetic arse, will PWN. She will save Peter, and likely land some sort of the finishing blow or some sort of victory, because she is awesomeness with boobs. While Peter can get schooled by the damned RINGER, Jessica will kick arse so she comes off as bad-arse. What gets my goat is how Bendis obviously seems to have a love fixation-fetish for Jessica Drew, much like Claremont and Storm, and much like Claremont's recent work, it has meant he's bungled her. Sure, in 616 he put her on the map and wrote her a mini...after getting her powers wrong, taking a year to explain it, and then pretty much wasting her ever since on NA. In USM, he did her one worse by dooming her to X-23 syndrome; a clone of an official character to "justify" her existance, she now stands as a detail to the hero, and nothing more. At least X-23 was originally spawned due to network demands for teenage characters on Kid's WB; Bendis has no such excuse. It seems when he doesn't care about a character, he kills them or ignores key stuff, and when he loves them...he totally mishandles them, or makes their life into a cynical, dark, endless nightmare where even THE POPE would have committed suicide by then. It just seems like such a waste to utterly shatter USM's status quo for such an abysmal waste of a storyline. So, either Drew will save Peter, Kitty will save him, or the X-Men, the Four, or all of them will save him. I have no faith he will be of any use aside for scream a lot, cry, and maybe cry while screaming a lot. And taking a beating. He's more emo than 100 tween girl bands in a row. I bet he even cuts himself next storyline.

And the absolute WORST thing!? The next arc, a 3 part arc with the Daredevil and Kingpin that is a sequal to WARRIORS, the ANNUAL #2 and some of the last GOOD USM stories, is one I want to read. Which means I am on board after this saga ends. Which makes it even more painful to sit through the last two issues. It's like counting down the days before a hot blind date, but beforehand, you have to rub your genitals over broken glass to appease a mafia debt. So, no, it's not as bad as #102, but that's like saying Castro didn't kill as many people as Hitler or Mao; true but not comforting. I'd quit, but I'm a continuity hound and surely the arc from #106 will start off with some references to the end of this putrid exercise in comic baloney. At this point I even miss the Jackel. I miss Judas Traveller. Hell, I'd take Spidercide, if only to laugh at. I used to defend USM to avid Ultimate haters, but now this book is unworthy of any defense. Bash it all you want, as half arsed rehashes with ipods and earrings. I just hope to whatever being out there there is that the 3-part arc after this, which looks great in solicts, isn't crap. I don't mean decent, I mean GOOD. In the meanwhile, I'll have to close my eyes and sniff the buffalo barf for two issues. 9 chapters. Even Hell only had 7 circles. Have some mercy, Bendis.

And the "Best Critical Rant/Review of a Comic Book" for 2006 goes to Dread! :up:

I was, however, actually relieved that "Richard" wasn't the really Peter's dad (mainly because I suspected the guy was a phony after reading USM #100, which I agree that the revealation makes the whole "backstory" pointless) but not so much that he's ANOTHER Spider-Man clone. And really thought Bendis making Doc Ock, what? "Ockento" has really removed the uniqueness of the character. But in with regards to the series as a whole, I think you nailed the problem with Ultimate Spider-Man and the Ultimate line in general: a comic book that was supposed to not be mired in complicated continuity, thus making it accessible to new readers, has now developed one which makes it harder for new readers to pick up.
 
B.U.M. said:
Part one - said guy a prowls.

Par two - asks guy b why he, as in guy b, prowls.


Oh.....And it's not a Scooby Doo Thing, Buy B is actually guy A?
 
52 Week 33
Pretty good issue, the Renee-Kate scenes were quite nice (not to sound all cliche, but Renee really has come quite a ways since the beginning of this series), but at this point in the game I really just want some answers to the riddles already. And for some stuff to happen. For instance we know that the space crew is going to take on Lady Styx's armada, but they've been spending about three weeks now just staring at it. (Still, the fact that Buddy and Ellen were both staring at the exact same star was awesome. That montage of DCU characters and what they were doing on Christmas? Also awesome.)

(And Alfred leading the carolers was awesome too.)

(Come to think of it, I thought a lot of things were awesome.)

I can't shake the idea that this whole thing with Sobek the talking crocodile is going to end up very, very badly.

Next week is Black Marvel Family vs the New Suicide Squad...hnn. I don't like that Atom-Smasher is leading them, it just makes it feel like he's learned nothing from his mistakes. And it also seems we're getting some serious clues as to Supernova's identity. I'm guessing that [blackout]Clark Kent is Supernova, or at least one of the Supernovas, as Siglain let on in newsarama that it's possible there's more than one person under the mask. All his different powers could be explained by the different Kryptonite he got from Batman's cave.[/blackout]

(8 out of 10)


Iron Man/Captain America: Civil War: Casualties of War
Wow, what a long title.

Copying and pasting from another thread: I actually really liked Iron Man/Captain America: Casualties of War this week though. Yes, it had nice characterization and dialogue or whatever, but what really got me is that it contained the single most unbiased, thought-out, convincing, and understandable version of the pro-registration argument that I've heard to date. And considering that this whole CW event is almost over, that's saying a lot. None of this "It's the law and the law is right" nonsense. And none of this "We must do whatever it takes for security!" spiel.

In the end, it's this, "Wouldn't you want someone to stop you from ever killing a man?"

Yeah, I'm totally aware that the SHRA is still complete bullsht that does the heavy-boots trample all over the Constitution and no due process gulag whatever evil evil SHIELD people Agent Hill is a btch THOR CLONES and Venom -- did I miss anything? -- but the great thing is that absolutely none of that appears in this issue. Everything that Marvel has done since the beginning to completely demonize the pro-reg side (and claim that they don't) is flagrantly ignored in this book in lieu of a completely sympathizable Tony Stark giving a completely lucid appeal for the registration, supporting his arguments with very relevant events of canon. Cap doesn't slouch in this department either, but usually the anti-regs give pretty good speeches about their points of views anyway so Tony was really in the spotlight here.

It's hilarious that all this good stuff -- practically crucial if you truly want to understand these characters and this war -- came out not in the main title, not in any of the tie-ins, but in an unplanned one-shot that Marvel rushed out 'cause of the negative feedback. Hey, at least we can't accuse them of not paying attention to our reactions.

Plus points for awesome continuity!

(9 out of 10)


Ion #9
As cool as I thought that the lingering plot point from IC would be picked up here instead of in GL, I'm also hoping that it'll go somewhere more interesting very soon. I only ever read one Tangent DC comic in my life, which was Tangent Wonder Woman, which made me want to drown myself in my own urine, which is also why I will never truly love Peter David as much as he deserves to be loved. And the wikipedia entry on the Tangent universe is woefully inadequate. Given that, I had absolutely no frikkin' idea what was going on in the second half of this issue. Kyle fights some people who talk nonsense and one of them beats him somehow, which I'm not exactly thrilled about but can't complain. Let's see what happens.

The sequence with Kyle's mom was well-written, as was expected, but I just don't really see the point. It feels like we've gone off on some weird tangent, pun intended. Was it to reacquaint us again with Kyle's personality and characterism as it relates to his mother? Newer readers might need it, but older readers like me have seen it before. And her illness...I dunno, I just don't see where Marz is going with this. It's just that there's only three issues of this series left and I want it to be as good as it possibly can be:(.

The DCU office continues to send out memos for all their writers to make the Guardians massive dckheads, and it was tolerable when it was directed at other GLs like Guy and Hal, but when they start bringin' that 'tude towards Kyle? Hell to the no. Ain't no one gonna be holdin' ma man down.

At least we got some really good art in this issue. Not that I had any problems with any of the prior artists, but I think this was the first time that I looked at the Ion logo and could confidently say that it actually looks like it was meant to be drawn that way and not like an artistic error.

(6.7 out of 10)


New Avengers #26
More copied and pasted: NA was "meh" beyond the telling of it. So Clint has been back for all this time, he's...just not doing anything. Christ, that was like how Xavier was actually around ever since Decimation but just hung out in bars for months while his students struggled without him.

And then he sleeps with Wanda. So now Wanda has gone from superheroine to crazy victimized villain to a random amnesiac sex object for the Big Manly Man to bed. Goody. And like Dread said in the B/T thread, why the hell is Clint the only person in the world who's not a complete ******? Did no one else think to look in the Wundagore mountains for Wanda considering that's one of the places in the world where she's most likely to be seen????

Well it wasn't bad, just meh. No one liked Bendis writing Wanda and Hawkeye the first time around either, so it's really no surprise that the passage of time changes nothing.

It's just that nothing makes a whole lot of sense. Hawkeye appears out of nowhere, decides that he's emo, goes to find Wanda, sleeps with her, and then disappears again. The single most irony/understatement-of-the-year moments in the issue is when Dr. Strange, in trying to explain Wanda's behavior to Clint, says "You are looking for mundane logic where none applies." Yeah, apparently! Thanks for letting us in on that!

The art is gorgeous, though. *shrug* Although Maleev, for some reason, doesn't draw Wanda anything like how Wanda looked like recently. I mean sure, Wanda looked like a nineteen year-old supermodel with bright red, straight hair during the 90s revamp, but nothing like that now. Right up until the end I wasn't certain if it was actually supposed to be Wanda.

(6.3 out of 10, mostly bumped up for the art)


New Avengers: Illuminati #1
Big, pretty explosions. Definitely a change of pace from the introspective and thought-inticing one-shot from way back, though not necessarily a bad change. I'll need to see more of this series before I can form too much of an opinion on it, 'cause retcon stories at Marvel have a pretty lowsy track record if you know what I mean. And it kinda concerns me that Bendis can be writing six of the most powerful superheroes on the planet and still manage to have them mostly losing. As has been stated, Bendis is really the man to go to when you want to see your heroes failing and losing.

At first my gut instinct was to nerd rage at seeing Dr. Strange so...helpless...in this issue, but then I remembered that at this point in MU history, Strange hadn't become the Sorcerer Surpreme yet and probably hadn't even fought most of the Big Magical Battles that he would be known for. So, reluctantly, all is forgiven on that front.

I'm sort of confused as to why this mission in particular required the members of the Illuminati who, as far as I can tell, were supposed to be secretive and unspoken-of and handling the affairs of the superhero world from behind the scenes; this incident was definitely quite public and in the open and in front of the scenes. More importantly, why in the world couldn't they have just gotten a bunch of Avengers to go up there and tell the Skrulls to buzz off, y'know, in case they didn't already get the message? Why risk exposure of your not-so-secret cabal for a task like this which is obviously a very important task but also one that any combo of other heroes could have handled? If the purpose was to present a united contingency of heroes against which the Skrulls would be opposing (in other words, LYING BIG) and trying to intimidate them with said united contingency...well, congratulations, that seemed to work out well.

I still like how Bendis writes Namor.

Love that Galactus pic...everything's so shiny with Cheung.

(7.5 out of 10)


Teen Titans #42
Huh.

Interesting.

I gotta say, when Johns puts in the effort to characterize someone, he really characterizes them.

Kid Devil kinda had that whole "tragic past" thing written all over him, so none of this really came as much of a surprise. It was nice to see it explained, though. I dunno if I like the character better, but I do know him better, which is a start.

(7 out of 10)


Civil War: Frontline #9
I don't even know anymore. I don't even care.

Let me get this straight. After months of trying, Sally Floyd lands possibly the biggest interview of her life, the chance to hear the side of the one man who's leading one half of this universe-shattering Civil War, the chance to finally let the public hear what Captain America has to say...

...And she rudely interrupts and walks out on him 'cause she doesn't like what he's saying.

...

...wait...what?

That's it, I'm deciding right now that the answer to everything in this series is Skrulls. Yes that's right, you heard me: Skrulls. Sally Floyd is a Skrull. Norman Osborne? Skrull. Reed Richards, Tony Stark...well, I think we all decided they were Skrulls a long time ago. And Speedball? Definitely a Skrull. Although it's a shame to waste that scene where he gets his powers back by sweet butt-love from an inmate. And yes, that's my interpretation of that page and I'm sticking to it.

Speaking of Robbie...ah, actually, the less we speak of Robbie in this issue, the better. Seriously, that ending?...Skrull.

And who the feck thought it was a good idea to let a convict called Razor Fist have razor-sharp claws on his hands???? You know what? Whatever. Skrulls did.

The scene where Urich goes to Spider-Man and Petey uses his hacking skills was pretty R0XX0RZ, though. Spidey putting his intellect to good use? We're getting more and more of that recently, and it is only of the good. Too bad they're all Skrulls, though.

(3.9 out of 10)
 
Sally Floyd is a bleeding heart liberal, this issue did more to just make me hate the character. Im taking a celldog stance on this with Sally, c'mon, youre lecturing Captain America about war? Youre telling what war is all about? Youre telling him what war means? Go **** yourself in the ass *****.
 
Also, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man has a guest appearance by Stephen Colbert.
 
Darthphere said:
Also, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man has a guest appearance by Stephen Colbert.
So THAT's who that was. I was so lost.
 

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