Bought // Thought March 21

[Kevin]

I heard that it really would be too smart for may to use her real name sense they are all on the run

 

[Dread]

For the record, I never said that I disliked 52 WEEK #46, just that I found it a little awkward and anti-climatic. It was still decent reading. Even if it made no sense for Black Adam to spare Veronica when he'd just slaughtered millions of innocents for less reason.

And quite frankly, if Magneto got pwned in a single issue by a bunch of scientists, no one would buy it and the entire Internet would be in flames.

It does make sense that May would feel responsible for Peter's situation in ASM. IT WAS HER DECISION! Peter never would have joined Iron Fascist and then Unmasked publically if May hadn't convinced him to do so, despite his doubts. So I agree with her there.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

ASM: After I read this issue, I thought I had spotted a continuity error. Since no one has mentioned it, I'm guessing I was the one that had it wrong. Okay, let me go back to the Clone Saga. Where did Ben (Scarlet Spider) get his last name "Reilly"? I always thought "Reilly" was Aunt May's maiden name, however, in ASM, Peter says that her maiden name was "Fitzgerald". Did I have it wrong? If I did, where did the name "Reilly" come from? If I was right, why didn't anyone mention it (maybe no one wants to remember the Clone Saga)?

You're not wrong. May's maiden name is indeed "Reilly." Seems like JMS doesn't know his Clone Saga history.

 

[Dread]

You're not wrong. May's maiden name is indeed "Reilly." Seems like JMS doesn't know his Clone Saga history.

To be fair, Marvel has collectively deemed all elements of that era IXNAY, even if they make sense to explore, and for the most part it has been unofficially retconned, mentioned only as a joke. Losing Ben Rielly was like losing an adopted brother, but don't expect any writer to have Peter angst about that nearly as much as he does Gwen.

 

[hippy fascist]

To be fair, Marvel has collectively deemed all elements of that era IXNAY, even if they make sense to explore, and for the most part it has been unofficially retconned, mentioned only as a joke. Losing Ben Rielly was like losing an adopted brother, but don't expect any writer to have Peter angst about that nearly as much as he does Gwen.

Actually peter used an holographic projector to change his image and went under the name ben reilly in order to be able to keep working at the school during civil war in FNSM.

 

[Brainiac 8]

To be fair, Marvel has collectively deemed all elements of that era IXNAY, even if they make sense to explore, and for the most part it has been unofficially retconned, mentioned only as a joke. Losing Ben Rielly was like losing an adopted brother, but don't expect any writer to have Peter angst about that nearly as much as he does Gwen.

This isn't completely the case. The last arc in Spider-Girl before the switch to Amazing Spider-Girl brought in many characters and snippets from the clone saga, and made sense of many things from the Clone era.

He was one of the only writers I've seen do anything with the Clone Saga in years. It was a wonderful way to send off the original Spider-Girl series.

 

[Dread]

This isn't completely the case. The last arc in Spider-Girl before the switch to Amazing Spider-Girl brought in many characters and snippets from the clone saga, and made sense of many things from the Clone era.

He was one of the only writers I've seen do anything with the Clone Saga in years. It was a wonderful way to send off the original Spider-Girl series.

You're right, it is an omission. The DeFalco MC2 Universe is quite literally the only Marvel comic remotely allowed to use elements from that era. But you'd hardly see it in the mainstream. When was the last time Peter & MJ commented on their stillborn daughter? Exactly. Now to me this experience in a way could add perspective and depth to Peter's discussions with Luke Cage after his own daughter's birth, but that cannot be, and you can see how this "block" can rob us of potentially decent exchanges.

I'm not saying that we should be diving into having Kaine pop up in 7 books again, just thinking that in terms of 616 Marvel, the Clone Saga and all elements therein, good and bad, have been unofficially retconned and you rarely get any mention of them beyond some clone joke from Spidey. Much like no one in the Fantastic Four, least in 616, mentions Lyja Lazerfist. Because that would mean admitting that Johnny Storm, usually the butt of "he can't commit" jokes, actually was faithfully married to someone for years in RT. And that would mean evolving past stereotype. And that can't happen, at least not unless someone is violently attacked or killed these days. Maybe it'd swallow easier if some character shifts felt more natural over time, rather than sudden.

 

[Marcdachamp]

Anyone that is reading Exiles right now....did you catch Claremont making his statement on the current state of the X Franchise?

When he had psylocke mention how in her world Sabertooth is probably replacing her on the X-Men.

Something tells me that Claremont is not happy with how Marvel is handling his baby from years ago.

Well, that IS a really awful idea. I know it's not quite the same as last time, but I find it hard to believe that Scott and Emma would allow Sabretooth in the mansion in any capacity.

 

[Brainiac 8]

You right, it is an omission. The DeFalco MC2 Universe is quite literally the only Marvel comic remotely allowed to use elements from that era. But you'd hardly see it in the mainstream. When was the last time Peter & MJ commented on their stillborn daughter? Exactly. Now to me this experience in a way could add perspective and depth to Peter's discussions with Luke Cage after his own daughter's birth, but that cannot be, and you can see how this "block" can rob us of potentially decent exchanges.

I'm not saying that we should be diving into having Kaine pop up in 7 books again, just thinking that in terms of 616 Marvel, the Clone Saga and all elements therein, good and bad, have been unofficially retconned and you rarely get any mention of them beyond some clone joke from Spidey. Much like no one in the Fantastic Four, least in 616, mentions Lyja Lazerfist. Because that would mean admitting that Johnny Storm, usually the butt of "he can't commit" jokes, actually was faithfully married to someone for years in RT. And that would mean evolving past stereotype. And that can't happen, at least not unless someone is violently attacked or killed these days. Maybe it'd swallow easier if some character shifts felt more natural over time, rather than sudden.

Hopefully they do the same to "The Other."

I agree though, they do have certain "Taboo" stories that will never be mentioned again due to that restriction. It just seems to be the way it works....especially since there was some major story potential that came out of the clone saga....and a good writer *coughDanSlottcough* could make sense of certain things, and maybe even close off loose threads.

How about the Sentenal registering the baby in MJ's womb as a mutant, or the fact that they made it seem like someone had taken the baby.

Both good possibilities for stories. Reed and Sue have a mutant baby, why can't Peter and Mary Jane? Oh, I know, it's because Peter must be a bachelor for their to be any interesting stories to tell.

MJ, I'd watch my back if I were you, or you might be the next person getting violently butt raped by Joe Q.

 

[Spider-Jay420]

Would someone scan the last page of of ASM with Peter in his black costume? Thanks

 

[Brainiac 8]

Well, that IS a really awful idea. I know it's not quite the same as last time, but I find it hard to believe that Scott and Emma would allow Sabretooth in the mansion in any capacity.

I just get the feeling that Chris is happy with being mishandled as a writer and his baby being mishandled now.

I mean, he deserves more respect than he gets from Marvel...I mean heck he basically created every major thing that has happened to the X-Men and reinvigorated the franchise back in the 80's.

All most writers do now is just copy and recopy Claremont stories, and yes...that includes the overrated Whedon. (Ex: The myriads of Pheonix stories that seem to pop up every year.)

 

[TheIntellectual]

I've long hated both Marvel and DC for pretty much expunging everything that happened from 1990-2000.

I grew up with Ben Reilly as Spider-Man, and the slight against him still irritates.

Don't even get me started on DC's attempts to fix everything "wrong" with their mainstream heroes, even if that means reverting everything back to a decades old status quo. Jim Gordon should not be the commisioner of gotham. Not now, not ever again.

 

[Dread]

Hopefully they do the same to "The Other."

I agree though, they do have certain "Taboo" stories that will never be mentioned again due to that restriction. It just seems to be the way it works....especially since there was some major story potential that came out of the clone saga....and a good writer *coughDanSlottcough* could make sense of certain things, and maybe even close off loose threads.

How about the Sentenal registering the baby in MJ's womb as a mutant, or the fact that they made it seem like someone had taken the baby.

Both good possibilities for stories. Reed and Sue have a mutant baby, why can't Peter and Mary Jane? Oh, I know, it's because Peter must be a bachelor for their to be any interesting stories to tell.

MJ, I'd watch my back if I were you, or you might be the next person getting violently butt raped by Joe Q.

It may already be happening. Spider-Man has gained a myraid of new powers since 2004, even before THE OTHER (such as DISASSEMBLED when he turned into a giant spider and then shat himself). So far the only power that has shown up frequently is the organic webs, and that is by default because Webbing is key to Spider-Man and it's ripped from the film. But controlling spiders, the boosted strength/speed, and so on doesn't come up so much, even from the writers who created it. So THE OTHER may be halfway there.

In terms of babies, that has been ixnay for Peter since before Joe Q was EIC and the fact that he hasn't changed it I wouldn't call a major fault of his as it has outlived him. Remember, Clone Saga's mess wasn't on his watch. But ever since, the theory has been that the concept of Peter & MJ either having babies or even acknowledging their lost one makes them seem "not so young". Or at least that was the story that was given every time WIZARD interviewed. Now, I'm not one of the people who is devoted to making the Parkers parents. But simply acknowledging they lost a daughter when it makes sense, such as Spidey offering wisdom to Cage, shouldn't be completely impossible. The line from Marvel is, "oh, we let our writers write whateva", but the sheer fact that almost no one is able to mention specific story elements seriously, from Bendis on down, means it has to be editorial.

I can understand the reason; some stories were just mistakes and when one can sweep them under, do it. I just feel that things don't have to be as extreme. But then again, extremist tactics bred many of CIVIL WAR's flaws, IMO. There was a good story there, had it been handled with more care and finesse. Instead they went the Hollywood blockbuster route, and gained all the strengths, and flaws, therein.

But, onto the postive. While "Back in Black" in other titles is simply a convient costume change, in ASM it makes sense. For once in about a year, Spidey is reacting how the "event" demands and it actually makes sense.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've long hated both Marvel and DC for pretty much expunging everything that happened from 1990-2000.

I grew up with Ben Reilly as Spider-Man, and the slight against him still irritates.

Don't even get me started on DC's attempts to fix everything "wrong" with their mainstream heroes, even if that means reverting everything back to a decades old status quo. Jim Gordon should not be the commisioner of gotham. Not now, not ever again.

Finally, a kindred spirit. I railed against Gordon's return for days after "Face the Face" started. It sickened me that they made Akins a crooked cop and basically forgot that almost all the rest of the Gotham Central cast is still working at the GCPD, just so they could once again make Gordon (Batman's pet cop) and Bullock (a moron who got himself kicked off the force) the Gotham City Police Department. They're apparently it as far as anyone is concerned because heaven forbid a police organization be portrayed as (gasp!) competent in Gotham; otherwise what would Batman ever have to do?

 

[Darthphere]

Finally, a kindred spirit. I railed against Gordon's return for days after "Face the Face" started. It sickened me that they made Akins a crooked cop and basically forgot that almost all the rest of the Gotham Central cast is still working at the GCPD, just so they could once again make Gordon (Batman's pet cop) and Bullock (a moron who got himself kicked off the force) the Gotham City Police Department. They're apparently it as far as anyone is concerned because heaven forbid a police organization be portrayed as (gasp!) competent in Gotham; otherwise what would Batman ever have to do?

Applause, really, its sad, I miss all those guys. Especially Crispus, man, what a waste of a character right there.

 

[Purple Man]

It is just known, but it's known because Spider-Man used to ALWAYS say something to the effect of:

CRIMINAL: Get me down!
SPIDER-MAN: Don't worry, the webbing will dissolve in an hour or so. Of course, the cops will have already captured you by then!

Of course his webbing was made to dissolve in an hour or so so he wasn't leaving it all over the city.

In special circumstances, he can whip up a batch of webbing that can last near indefinitly.

That's one thing I'll miss since the web is all organic now. He can't mix chemicals to get different webbing.

 

[Dread]

That's one thing I'll miss since the web is all organic now. He can't mix chemicals to get different webbing.

Agreed. He could whip up acid-webbing for Rhino's hide, flame-proof webbing, and so on. He even had "liquid webbing" which was an extra sticky, sloppy mess.

But who needs variety? The only superhero allowed to have a variety in his arsenal is Batman.

 

[Darthphere]

Who says he can't do all that now?

 

[Kevin]

I miss the Spidey light.

EDIT: Spidey Signal.

 

[TheIntellectual]

I totally miss the Spider-Tracer aka the Plot hole filler used in every 90s story.

"Spider-Man, how did you find me?"

Spider-Man's thought bubble - aha! My spider-tracer works again!


Damn, I totally miss the nineties sometimes.

 

[Kevin]

Well, they used the tracer like 2 years ago in Amazing. PAD had one spow up in FNSM #1.

 

[Purple Man]

Spider Mobile!

 

[iloveclones]

In special circumstances, he can whip up a batch of webbing that can last near indefinitly.

Wouldn't a couple of bungee cords accomplish the same thing?

OR

MJ: What are you doin' Pete?

Pete: Whippin' up a special batch of web fluid so I can stash my black costume somewhere.

MJ: ......

Pete:...Indefinately!

MJ: Here's an idea: How about we not spend the rent on some "special" web fluid, and I clear some room in the sock drawer.

 

[BrianWilly]

What would happen if Spidey wore a webshooter now and tried to shoot webs? EXTRA POWER? Or two streams?

I'M SO CURIOUS.

 

[Not Jake]

I bought Aquaman yesterday, before I got to see anyone's reviews. Haven't read it yet, though. Kind of pissed I spent over $4 on an issue of goddamn Aquaman, though. I don't even know if I'd spend over $4 for his superpowers.