Bought/Thought-subs rule-Jan 24, 2007

[Unthinkable]

So...I haven't bought The Return, nor do I plan to...But uh, why did Marv willingly become the Warden? He's honestly the closest thing to Captain America in the MU, but on a cosmic scale. He has those same values about freedom and such, and wouldn't really be swayed by the politics of the matter. Especially because he isn't from this planet. So someone care to explain that? And yes, I'm just pissed that the Return wasn't Genis showing up and beating Iron Man's ass.

 

[supermarvelman]

I dont really understand exactly why he became the Warden, but he was kinda influenced by the Sentry to do it.

What are you talking about - Genis showing up and beating Iron Man's ass?

Genis is practically dead.

 

[Unthinkable]

I dont really understand exactly why he became the Warden, but he was kinda influenced by the Sentry to do it.

What are you talking about - Genis showing up and beating Iron Man's ass?

Genis is practically dead.

I meant to write wasn't there...Genis was my favorite character.

So that's it...Sentry convinced him?

 

[supermarvelman]

Well so far thats really the only reason so far that we know of.

 

[UK_Stu]

Cool it's your opinion, I was just asking why you dont like it, yes it's your opinion, but is it because you dont like that art style, what are some of your favorite artists, do you like gritty art like in Daredevil, Iron Fist, and Moon Knight, do you like cartoony art like Mark Brooks and Scott J. Cambell, or do you prefer a style thats a little bit of both like Yu.


So apperently you like my sig

I'm not really a fan of cartoony styles to be honest, the biggest problem I have with them is sometimes the style infringes on anatomy, perception and scale.

 

[supermarvelman]

Yea it does but, I just love cartoony art and he is the best at it. I just think anatomy aside McGuiness really knows how to draw a superhero.

 

[CaptainCanada]

But didn't Brubaker sort of obliterate the references to these Cap's?

No. He dedicated a whole issue to explaining the exploits of the other guys to wear the mask (although this Vietnam-era one would have to be a totally-new guy; Naslund was dead by this point, Mace was retired, and "Grand Director" was in stasis).

 

[supermarvelman]

The Vietnam-era Cap's where probably just Drill Sargents that wore the costume to boost moral of the troops.

 

[supermarvelman]

No. He dedicated a whole issue to explaining the exploits of the other guys to wear the mask (although this Vietnam-era one would have to be a totally-new guy; Naslund was dead by this point, Mace was retired, and "Grand Director" was in stasis).

Which issue was this?

 

[CaptainCanada]

Which issue was this?

#4.

 

[supermarvelman]

Of the current run?

 

[supermarvelman]

Preview of Omega Flight.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Interesting roster. I LOVE Talisman. Who's the writer, I may pick this up.

 

[deathshead2]

Interesting roster. I LOVE Talisman. Who's the writer, I may pick this up.

oming

 

[supermarvelman]

Interesting roster. I LOVE Talisman. Who's the writer, I may pick this up.

Sorry the scans arent bigger, I'm not a computer wiz, and when I go to Manage Attachments it says pics can only be a max 150.0 Kp, but when I scan the pics they are way bigger than 150.0Kp

 

[supermarvelman]

Wrecking Crew in Omega Flight, art by Kolins.

 

[Doc Destruction]

oming

Oooh, okay I'll try it out.

 

[supermarvelman]

You better.

 

[supermarvelman]

Jack O'Lantern returns.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Of the current run?

Yes.

 

[supermarvelman]

Oh I'm gonna go buy it then.

 

[Dread]

So...I haven't bought The Return, nor do I plan to...But uh, why did Marv willingly become the Warden? He's honestly the closest thing to Captain America in the MU, but on a cosmic scale. He has those same values about freedom and such, and wouldn't really be swayed by the politics of the matter. Especially because he isn't from this planet. So someone care to explain that? And yes, I'm just pissed that the Return wasn't Genis showing up and beating Iron Man's ass.

As I said in my review at the end of Page 10, it is not explained well. Capt. Marvel just shows up from the timestream and Iron Man, Sentry, and Mr. Fantastic pretty much just look at him awkwardly and say, "Oh, hi there, mind running our fascist camp for us? It's very important!" and Mar-Vell seems to do it because he trusts them, vs. actually trying to find out what this prison is or what the SHRA is or whatever. It makes little sense for him to be on the Pro-Reg side. But then again, it makes no sense for Reed to be doing a lot of things he's been doing since CW #1, and the fact that both JMS and McDuffie have had to bend over backwards attempting to give 1-3 different reasons sort of proves it, but whatever. CIVIL WAR is one of those events that has made clear to me that it is an event where certain characters have a role to play, and if that roles happens to go against their entire characterization for the past 10-40 years, then it's too damn bad. We've been told that apparently, someone's personality, nature, and morals can change at the drop of a hat given the right circumstances. The problem is that sentiment goes AGAINST what makes superheroes loveable. People whose morals can flex, bend, and break when it gets convient are usually not considered true heroes. But, Marvel's obsessed with "realism" these days, or at least cynicism posing as realism, so I am used to it.

I was more surprised by how mundane the ressurection was treated, and the fact that Sentry could basically wipe out a gas station with at least two civilians who should have reasonably been caught in the crossfire and nothing comes of it, but of course since Stamford Marvel's been saying how every superhero fight since 1961 has killed millions.

THE RETURN will go in the back of my box and likely not get reread. It wasn't trash, just awkward and underwhelming.

And yes, OMEGA FLIGHT is looking pretty. But I knew that already from some past preview pics. Kolins almost always delivers, and Oeming does too.

 

[supermarvelman]

Plus they let him know how he dies, maybe he feels in debt to them, since he can now somehow prevent his own death.

 

[Dread]

Plus they let him know how he dies, maybe he feels in debt to them, since he can now somehow prevent his own death.

Maybe I read it too fast but I was under the impression that Capt. Mar-Vell found out on his own because they didn't want to tell him and endanger the timestream (a fact he understood). And yes, he knows that he is destined to die and his life is on the clock, "and he has a second chance to make a first impression."

And what a great way to do that than acting as the warden of a prison built in a hellish realm for superheroes who don't sign a document to be locked up, without trail, a jury, or a lawyer, which is so bad that suicide is probable (Digitek was said to have iced himself from the strain, and Battlestar is in constant pain), and apparently not discouraged. Geez.

Isn't it timely we learn this about a month from CW #7 too?

 

[BrianWilly]

Plus they let him know how he dies, maybe he feels in debt to them, since he can now somehow prevent his own death.

If that's how he felt, then they should have somehow conveyed it in the issue. Which they didn't. And that seems to be a pretty selfish an unheroic way for a superhero to turn his back on his beliefs, anyway.

Marvel set up The Return as this huge event of a classic hero seeing the current Marvel universe, friends fighting friends and the state of the world going haywire, and reeling from how horrible and overwhelming it all is. What actually happened was that the guy stood around and said "Durrrrr...what? Maths is hard!" for half an issue.