Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[highguard]

Total agreement there. It seems near-impossible for a singular creative vision to survive the blockbuster-making process, leading to films that may look and sound stunning but are vacant in most every meaningful respect. I didn't see a single tentpole flick this summer that didn't have me wondering "what were they thinking?" at least a few times.
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You know that comment about how near-impossible for a creative vision to survive the blockbuster process appears to be so true. We have been privy to that process as outlined by writers for the Xmen and FF comic book.

My vote is that the creators be given more freedom. Someone should study the Lord of the Ring model.

Now if the problem on the studio's part is a lack of confidence in a director I suggest they clone the Speilbergs, Jacksons and others of their stature.

However seeing as how cloning is still illegal and not yet perfected (you might end up with Ewe Boll, ......why does he get so much grief lol) then maybe they have to take more risk and take puppet strings off of the directors that they do hire. Give them more creative leeway while setting the budgets, only intervening when things are obviously out of control.

I mean why was there such a rush to kill Cyclops, oh he went over to DC. Maybe its a Marvel vs DC thing over at Fox, who knows.

Wow.... this really weird and really waaay off topic but unconfirmed reports state that Owen Wilson may have attempted suicide. He is hospitalized is all that is certain.

I saw that story, wow... he is one of my favorite actors... glad to know that he is ok, but what could have triggered this......., life can be so hard sometimes. I hope he gets better and finds some joy in life again.

Anyway, thank God he is alive. The dude is the picture of cool.

 

[Carp Man]

Weekend actuals are in :

FF 2
Domestic: $131,385,634 49.2%+ Foreign: $135,695,687 50.8%= Worldwide: $267,081,321

TSM :
Domestic: $173,354,858 39.1%+ Foreign: $270,175,003 60.9%= Worldwide: $443,529,861

HP5 :
Domestic: $283,230,934 31.6%+ Foreign: $612,200,000 68.4%= Worldwide: $895,430,934

TF's :
Domestic: $308,597,165 45.7%+ Foreign: $367,102,839 54.3%= Worldwide: $675,700,004

HP5 $ 5.5 million ahead of HP1 same # of days.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Hey Carpo you're going mental again. The international #'s are already updated above. We're over 270.3 on FF2

 

[Advanced Dark]

Domestic: $131,418,763 48.1%+
Foreign: $142,059,122 51.9%=

Worldwide: $273,477,885

UPDATED w/Tues #'s.

 

[Carp Man]

Around the World Roundup: 'Bourne' Leads Cool Weekend
by Conor Bresnan
August 29, 2007


While the foreign box office cooled a considerable 24 percent over the weekend, The Bourne Ultimatum remained the champion with $15.2 million from 24 territories for a $52.6 million total. The action thriller's most prominent opening was in Russia, where it grabbed $2.6 million from 392 screens. That was bigger than the combined final grosses of its two predecessors. The picture also opened to a decent $1.1 million from 179 screens in Brazil and $604,810 from 55 screens in New Zealand. Among holdovers, its third weekend drop-off rates were steep in Asia, including 73 percent drops in Hong Kong and Indonesia, while in the United Kingdom it was down 40 percent in its second weekend to $5.7 million for a $28.4 million total. This weekend, Bourne hits Argentina and Australia.

Ratatouille rose to second place with an $11.8 million weekend from 29 territories for a $172.3 million total. Nearly half of the weekend gross came from France, where the animated comedy remained the leader for the fourth consecutive weekend. Its $5.8 million take represented a 27 percent decline and pushed its total there to $45.8 million. Ratatouille also opened well in Turkey, nabbing $415,511 from 118 screens.

The Simpsons Movie, now falling rapidly, produced $11.5 million from 41 markets for a magnificent $289.7 million total. The cartoon comedy recorded an expectedly mediocre opening in South Korea, taking in $1 million from 169 screens to rank seventh. Elsewhere, falls were steep, including Russia (down 68 percent) and the U.K. (down 59 percent). The Simpsons held relatively well in Brazil with a 37 fall to $1.7 million, keeping the opening of The Bourne Ultimatum at bay to stay on top. Next up for The Simpsons is Greece.

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix continued to fall slowly with a $10.3 million weekend from 58 markets for a $612.1 million total, surpassing Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire $606 million final tally. Soon, it will top Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets' $617 million as the second-highest grosser of the series, and it has a shot at exceeding Harry Potter and the Sorcerer Stone's $658.9 million. Hindering its chances, however, was a moderate start in its final market, Greece ($1.7 million from 120 prints), where it may have been affected by severe wild fires there.

Rush Hour 3 rounded out the Top Five with an $8.1 million weekend from 19 territories for a $40.2 million total. The action comedy had steep drops in most markets but opened well in Japan with a top-ranked $1.8 million from 267 screens.

Knocked Up opened in its most important market, the U.K., but only managed a respectable $3 million from 411 screens. The comedy had a more potent opening in Germany, though, grossing $2.1 million from 597 screens, and has accumulated $25.5 million overall.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2377&p=.htm

 

[Advanced Dark]

You still can't have a "SIG" carpy??? That's wrong.

 

[Carp Man]

You still can't have a "SIG" carpy??? That's wrong.

Hasn't keep me down thou. t: I still speak my mind.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Well I think it's been long enough. Hey Mods let him have it back.

 

[Carp Man]

Thursdays #'s :

FF 2 :

Domestic: $131,451,007 48.1%+ Foreign: $142,059,122 51.9%= Worldwide: $273,510,129

 

[Docker2.0]

You still can't have a "SIG" carpy??? That's wrong.

Agreed! That's just wrong! Carp not having his sig is like a man without his..........wing-wang! He just ain't complete! C'mon mods! Give him his sig back! Hasn't he/I suffered enough?!?!

 

[Kelly]

Thank you for your input......move on.

 

[Carp Man]

Looking at the overall #'s for 2007, FF was 13th domestic and 11 th WW in 2005. FF 2 is also 13th domestic, and 11th WW for 2007. So It's been a down year, but FF 2 is holding the same spot FF did. FF 2 is $ 23 million less domestic then FF, and $ 57 million less WW than FF, yet occupies the same place as FF. So that tells me it is not just FF 2 that has suffered. The public is just not going to the movies in 07, like they were in 05, even though you have higher ticket prices. So it's not doing bad compaired to the whole industry.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

The movie was just plain bad,it's sad that people can't admit it.But i blame the people who wanted to change the "Comming Of Galactus" storyline.If it was done how Lee and Kirby did it,then the film would have done better.

 

[Carp Man]

The movie was just plain bad,it's sad that people can't admit it.But i blame the people who wanted to change the "Comming Of Galactus" storyline.If it was done how Lee and Kirby did it,then the film would have done better.

No the facts say different. It wasn't just FF 2. If you can't accept that well..........................

 

[Kelly]

The movie was just plain bad,it's sad that people can't admit it.But i blame the people who wanted to change the "Comming Of Galactus" storyline.If it was done how Lee and Kirby did it,then the film would have done better.

It's not a matter of admitting anything, unless they are admitting that their opinion of the movie is different from yours. Can you admit that people do have different opinions, and just because they aren't the same as yours they aren't necessarily wrong?

You may be correct, but as far as the characterization goes, the 4 were done correctly by many long time readers opinions around here. Doom, no, but the 4 yes. NOW, your opinion may differ and theres nothing wrong with that....see I can admit that..... Can you?

 

[Mr. Socko]

The movie was just plain bad,it's sad that people can't admit it.But i blame the people who wanted to change the "Comming Of Galactus" storyline.If it was done how Lee and Kirby did it,then the film would have done better.

I agree that this was a bad movie. The characterization of the 4 was great, but this film had nothing else. Everything in it was mediocre and I can say I'm very glad this film isn't doing great at the box office. Bad movies don't deserve big numbers. The previews for Surfer looked good but I made the stupid ass mistake of thinking it would be a really good film and a vast improvement over the first. As long as the names "Story," "Frost," and "Payne" are in the credits of a sequel, I sure as hell won't be watching it in theaters. I tried to give this film series the benefit of the doubt already and it slapped me harder than Pam Grier in Jackie Brown.

If the third is on the same level as these two, I hope it does even poorer in the box office so hopefully Fox may get the memo.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree that this was a bad movie. The characterization of the 4 was great, but this film had nothing else. Everything in it was mediocre and I can say I'm very glad this film isn't doing great at the box office. Bad movies don't deserve big numbers. The previews for Surfer looked good but I made the stupid ass mistake of thinking it would be a really good film and a vast improvement over the first. As long as the names "Story," "Frost," and "Payne" are in the credits of a sequel, I sure as hell won't be watching it in theaters. I tried to give this film series the benefit of the doubt already and it slapped me harder than Pam Grier in Jackie Brown.

If the third is on the same level as these two, I hope it does even poorer in the box office so hopefully Fox may get the memo.

IF we get a 3rd, i agree on all points, the movie is worst i have seen this year for me, i wouldnt call it bad, just average at best, and i honestly hope Fox DONT make another one so Marvel can get the rights back.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

No the facts say different. It wasn't just FF 2. If you can't accept that well..........................

Your the numbers man,i think you would be the first to accept it.I did,i'm just saying it outloud.

It's not a matter of admitting anything, unless they are admitting that their opinion of the movie is different from yours. Can you admit that people do have different opinions, and just because they aren't the same as yours they aren't necessarily wrong?

You may be correct, but as far as the characterization goes, the 4 were done correctly by many long time readers opinions around here. Doom, no, but the 4 yes. NOW, your opinion may differ and theres nothing wrong with that....see I can admit that..... Can you?

Opinion?Ha,the film..is a failure.I think we all know that,but again.I'm saying it out loud,and i think others can admit that.The numbers don't lie,the characters were on..but everything else was lacking.The numbers don't lie.

Unless there are a significant difference in the total number of money made by both films..both are the same,hence people were not fooled.It's what Mr.Socko said,bad movies deserve bad numbers.I can admit that,can you?t:

 

[Kelly]

Your the numbers man,i think you would be the first to accept it.I did,i'm just saying it outloud.



Opinion?Ha,the film..is a failure.I think we all know that,but again.I'm saying it out loud,and i think others can admit that.The numbers don't lie,the characters were on..but everything else was lacking.The numbers don't lie.

Unless there are a significant difference in the total number of money made by both films..both are the same,hence people were not fooled.It's what Mr.Socko said,bad movies deserve bad numbers.I can admit that,can you?t:

You act like we are coming out of the closet or something lmao...or should come out of the closet...Admit what? lol jesus.........I doubt you've read one of our reviews.....if you had, you would know exactly how we feel. Most are adults around here, there are only 2 that I can think of that would come up with any excuse to make this movie look better than it is.....the rest of us are simply giving our true opinions of the movie....who are you to call them anything else?......I have stated before, and I will continue to state, that NO I do not see this film as a failure, AND YES, that is an opinion, the same as yours. It is extremely pompous to say otherwise. I would say that movies such as "Evan Almighty" would be considered a failure. FF 2 made a profit, not near as much as many of us would have liked, I am very disappointed in the BO, and have never stated anything but that, I have also stated that I don't see a 3rd movie for this franchise.....but no it was not a failure, and will continue to increase its profit through the DVD sales.....will it end with the profit I would have liked?......no, and I have never stated anything else.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Your eyes may twinkle, your teeth may grit, but none of the BO intake, will you get.

Why are you disappointed in it's BO numbers?

This film had a larger budget than the first, and it's made less than this first. This can't sit too well with the big boys sipping the coffee on the 30th floor at Fox Studios. And again, I'm very glad it's making less therefore Fox can open their glued eyes and try as hard as they can to give us a really good and memorable film.

Reminds me of Star Wars. Episode I was s*** on a stick, but it brought in the dough so ol' Lucas kept the same stale formula thinking it would bring in the same amount of people. But low in the hole...Episode II made $200 Million LESS than the first, so Lucas decided to make the last one much darker and not give Jar Jar a single line and it sure as hell seemed to work(well better than previously).

I'm not saying make a possible FF3 darker or more brooding, but change the damn formula. Try to give at least 2 cents about it, Fox. Don't just throw together anything and expect everyone to eat it up. I'll take a wager, that if FF3 is made, it won't be in the same generic formulaic tripe structure as the first two.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Agreed on all accounts.

 

[Kelly]

Your eyes may twinkle, your teeth may grit, but none of the BO intake, will you get.

Why are you disappointed in it's BO numbers?

This film had a larger budget than the first, and it's made less than this first. This can't sit too well with the big boys sipping the coffee on the 30th floor at Fox Studios. And again, I'm very glad it's making less therefore Fox can open their glued eyes and try as hard as they can to give us a really good and memorable film.

Reminds me of Star Wars. Episode I was s*** on a stick, but it brought in the dough so ol' Lucas kept the same stale formula thinking it would bring in the same amount of people. But low in the hole...Episode II made $200 Million LESS than the first, so Lucas decided to make the last one much darker and not give Jar Jar a single line and it sure as hell seemed to work(well better than previously).

I'm not saying make a possible FF3 darker or more brooding, but change the damn formula. Try to give at least 2 cents about it, Fox. Don't just throw together anything and expect everyone to eat it up. I'll take a wager, that if FF3 is made, it won't be in the same generic formulaic tripe structure as the first two.

You are correct, and I don't mean disappointed in that "I'm getting some of the loot"....duh. But I would like to see a 3rd movie, and with that little of profit, I don't see that happening. Thats where the disappointment comes in. Why would I think I was getting any of the money? Ya need to leave that to AD, the Marvel Wall Street Fan Boy.....he's the one that worries about his pocketbook....

 

[Carp Man]

Your the numbers man,i think you would be the first to accept it.I did,i'm just saying it outloud.

Unless there are a significant difference in the total number of money made by both films..both are the same,hence people were not fooled.It's what Mr.Socko said,bad movies deserve bad numbers.I can admit that,can you?t:

No I don't accept the movie was bad. It was head and shoulders above the 1st. I think many people are waiting for the DVD. As they are with all 2nd tier movies. Take Spider-Man 3, Pirates, Transformers, The Bourne Ultimatum, Shrek 3, HP5, 300, and Ratatouille, the top 8 domestic that have made $ 200 domestic or over, and FF 2 is 5th amoung the other 142 movies released this year, as listed on Mojo. That's not bad. It's even better on the WW side. Take away the top 10 that have made $ 300 WW or over, and FF 2 is # 1 amoung the other 267 movies this year, as listed on Mojo. So no it has not performed as it should have, but compaired to 2nd tier movies, it has done very well. The franchise is not a top 10 movie franchise. It is not a summer blockbuster franchise. But amoung the rest, it's a darn good franchise.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

The movie was far from being a flop. 273 million $ worldwide and it's not out in Japan, yet.
More than the Hulk movie worldwide, with a lot less product placement.
The competition this summer was deadly and the movie's quality wasn't so high that the general public wanted a second view.

 

[Carp Man]

The movie was far from being a flop. 273 million $ worldwide and it's not out in Japan, yet.
More than the Hulk movie worldwide, with a lot less product placement.
The competition this summer was deadly and the movie's quality wasn't so high that the general public wanted a second view.

The sad fact is it could have been a top 10 franchise. The 1st movie sunk the franchise from that top 10 potential. I don't blame Story, I blame Frost since he was listed as the writer. Payne did an excelent job. And the movie has done very, very well if you take out the top 10 movies this year. You want to compair it with the top tier movies this year, then yes it has performed poorley. Compaired to the rest it has done excelent. $ 280, 285 WW is nothing to sneeze at.