BOX-OFFICE potential in the Multiverse of Madness

Will it gross more than a billion dollars worldwide?


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Man I got to say the whole box office discussion really fascinates me. I think I’m more interested in box office results (in general) than the movies themselves lol
 
Man I got to say the whole box office discussion really fascinates me. I think I’m more interested in box office results (in general) than the movies themselves lol
That's funny, but I get ya. You've probably heard me mention this before, but I used to be a statistician and taught statistics and probability at the University of California for a short time. Figuring this stuff out is still kind of a default for me. The thing about predicting the future is that the number crunching (which I find fun in itself and can do most of it in my head) is easy, but the ASSUMPTIONS underlying those numbers are the tricky part. This is why even though I have an interest in the outcome of the numbers, I am always asking people to tell me WHY they think what they do when it comes to the box office receipts. As something of a scientist, that's really the important part. You hear people all the time saying this, that, or the other, but, unless, you have a reason for thinking what you do, I'm not interested in your opinion because it's just a guess or opinion.....and you know what opinions are like.....

If you lay out your logic, you can actually test it and go back to see where you missed and improve. That's way more fun than throwing darts at a board; for me anyway. It's like I said "I don't mind being wrong". That's just part of life. The good part is figuring out where you went wrong and learning from your missteps. In this case, I didn't foresee the ultra strong holds of DS (especially) last week and also this weekend. If anyone else "did", they didn't express it (at least clearly) from anything I read. Even a couple of people who (I thought) optimistically said about 20M were quite a bit low. Under and over estimations have a kind of multiplier effect. This is because the differences in the trends or projections grow or shrink over time (depending on whether you under or over estimate) as those future assumptions are based on the previous numbers. It's kind of like shooting a laser at something. If something is close and you are 1 degree off, you still might hit it. As it moves further and further away, that 1 degree causes you to miss the object by more and more.

So, here's another tidbit. The holds seem to even be a little bit stronger OS than they are DOM. The % DOM of receipts has dropped from 43.7 to (apparently) about 42.6% by the end of this weekend. Given that OS numbers seem to get reported a little bit later, that could drop even a little bit more. Here's the implication; about each % point drop in DOM total percentage results in about 23-24M (gradually increases) more OS. So below you will see the WW numbers based on 405M DOM for DS as a function of total percentage of DOM BO receipts. At this point, the final WW numbers would probably be about 950M.

(Rounded)
43% - 941M
42% - 964M
41% - 988M
40% - 1.12B

I hope most of that is clear. I tend to kind of geek out on stuff like this. Old habits die hard.
 
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Super surprised by the hold this weekend, even more surprised by the PTA since it lost quite a bit of screens. I didn’t think it would recover as much as it did after the second weekend drop but yeah it was more a case of an inflated opening we than the product of bad or even mixed wom.
So yep I was wrong 400M+ actually seems to be in the cards if it stays on course.
 
Super surprised by the hold this weekend, even more surprised by the PTA since it lost quite a bit of screens. I didn’t think it would recover as much as it did after the second weekend drop but yeah it was more a case of an inflated opening we than the product of bad or even mixed wom.
So yep I was wrong 400M+ actually seems to be in the cards if it stays on course.
I "think" the hold is also partially due to the fact that a fairly large group of people really liked it and decided they wanted to see it multiple times. The people who maybe didn't or were lukewarm to it, were one and done, but if that is, say, 60% of the people, that still leaves a lot of the more die hard fans. I've seen it twice (once in 3D) and while I probably won't see it in the theater again, it's possible I might if the circumstances were right. When you are dealing with a movie going audience in the tens of millions, those chances can add up to a lot of money.
 
I'm not a statistician, but it seemed more likely to me looking at the figures after the third weekend. The drop slowed remarkably. It was sitting at $342 million right before Memorial Day Weekend coming up. Yes, Top Gun was definitely and easily going to dominate the field, but Memorial Day is usually a weekend when a lot more people have time off and are able to go see movies. That means during Memorial Day Weekend, it's not just going to be movies like Top Gun getting a boost, but other movies that people might have been putting off seeing for a while as well. During Memorial Day Weekend the top movie gets a nice boost, but usually, a few other movies will get decent boosts as well, even ones that have been out a few weeks.

$342 million meant, with the weekday grosses, plus a holiday weekend coming up, it would be well over $370 million after this weekend. And think about that. Only four weekends and it will already be over $370 million.

That means the movie needs less than $30 million to go to reach the $400 million mark. With Memorial Day Weekend, weekday grosses, plus 3-4 more weekends, it's easily feasible because this is the type of movie where that can happen, a major MCU blockbuster tentpole.

Also, people widely over-estimated this movie being rejected by audiences because of the second weekend drop.

You look at Sonic 2, and Sonic 2 has now surpassed $185 million. $190 million seems very possible now? $200 million less likely. Like I'm not sure it can reach that figure, but I'm positive $400 million will happen now for Multiverse of Madness.
 
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I'm not a statistician, but it seemed more likely to me looking at the figures after the third weekend. The drop slowed remarkably. It was sitting at $342 million right before Memorial Day Weekend coming up. Yes, Top Gun was definitely and easily going to dominate the field, but Memorial Day is usually a weekend when a lot more people have time off and are able to go see movies. That means during Memorial Day Weekend, it's not just going to be movies like Top Gun getting a boost, but other movies that people might have been putting off seeing for a while as well. During Memorial Day Weekend the top movie gets a nice boost, but usually, a few other movies will get decent boosts as well, even ones that have been out a few weeks.

$342 million meant, with the weekday grosses, plus a holiday weekend coming up, it would be well over $370 million after this weekend. And think about that. Only four weekends and it will already be over $370 million.

That means the movie needs less than $30 million to go to reach the $400 million mark. With Memorial Day Weekend, weekday grosses, plus 3-4 more weekends, it's easily feasible because this is the type of movie where that can happen, a major MCU blockbuster tentpole.

Also, people widely over-estimated this movie being rejected by audiences because of the second weekend drop.

You look at Sonic 2, and Sonic 2 has now surpassed $185 million. $190 million seems very possible now? $200 million less likely. Like I'm not sure it can reach that figure, but I'm positive $400 million will happen now for Multiverse of Madness.
I didn't read that much detail from you before the fact, but maybe I missed it. The 3rd weekend drop of about 50% is not atypical even for a front loaded movie so there was nothing unusual about that. It wasn't a particularly great hold, but was pretty good. What put it over the top was the NEXT weekday hold; which was quite remarkable and the weekend of over 21M was excellent considering the competition. It had been slowly losing ground to CW in terms of the trends and had it only been at 370, it likely would have fallen short. Last week was the turning point and I suspect that there is a pretty large core of people who really loved it and went to see it multiple times. I also think that's why TG didn't affect it too much. It was also a demographic thing and Downton Abbey got pummeled.

Bottom line, it had been tracking slightly below CW until last week; had that held, it missed 400M. It then got WAY better with the holds last week. That's what got it over the finish line. The numbers are what they are. Why it took off is debatable.
 
I didn't read that much detail from you before the fact, but maybe I missed it. The 3rd weekend drop of about 50% is not atypical even for a front loaded movie so there was nothing unusual about that. It wasn't a particularly great hold, but was pretty good. What put it over the top was the NEXT weekday hold; which was quite remarkable and the weekend of over 21M was excellent considering the competition. It had been slowly losing ground to CW in terms of the trends and had it only been at 370, it likely would have fallen short. Last week was the turning point and I suspect that there is a pretty large core of people who really loved it and went to see it multiple times. I also think that's why TG didn't affect it too much. It was also a demographic thing and Downton Abbey got pummeled.

Bottom line, it had been tracking slightly below CW until last week; had that held, it missed 400M. It then got WAY better with the holds last week. That's what got it over the finish line. The numbers are what they are. Why it took off is debatable.

You can't always judge how it's going against another movie released in a similar period. It doesn't tell the whole story. Analytics are good, but they don't always paint a full picture. That's why stats and analytics don't work in the playoffs.
 
You can't always judge how it's going against another movie released in a similar period. It doesn't tell the whole story. Analytics are good, but they don't always paint a full picture. That's why stats and analytics don't work in the playoffs.

Oh they "work". It's just a matter of how well they work. Using stats and trends is almost always better than just guessing. If you don't believe that, go talk to someone in a Vegas house. Of course, you can't always judge how one movie will do against another, BUT, IF they have tracked each other to a certain point, it's "likely" it will continue. There are always underlying factors that haven't been identified. How significant they are is another issue. I once did a paper on how to delete extraneous factors from a multiple regression formula and I'd tell you about it, but don't want everyone's eyes to glaze over (although that might be happening now LOL). The idea is that things can have an effect, but they may not be statistically significant. I "think" people (including me) underestimated how many people REALLY loved the movie and there was too much focus on the number of people who were indifferent or didn't really like it. Just because a movie is somewhat polarizing doesn't mean a large group of people won't be repeat viewers. CW, on the other hand, was good, but rather standard Marvel fare and after the 3rd weekend, didn't have the deep interest of a subsection of movie goers that DS had. That's my after the fact analysis of the hold and I'll keep that in my memory banks the next time I see something similar to this.
 
Oh they "work". It's just a matter of how well they work. Using stats and trends is almost always better than just guessing. If you don't believe that, go talk to someone in a Vegas house. Of course, you can't always judge how one movie will do against another, BUT, IF they have tracked each other to a certain point, it's "likely" it will continue. There are always underlying factors that haven't been identified. How significant they are is another issue. I once did a paper on how to delete extraneous factors from a multiple regression formula and I'd tell you about it, but don't want everyone's eyes to glaze over (although that might be happening now LOL). The idea is that things can have an effect, but they may not be statistically significant. I "think" people (including me) underestimated how many people REALLY loved the movie and there was too much focus on the number of people who were indifferent or didn't really like it. Just because a movie is somewhat polarizing doesn't mean a large group of people won't be repeat viewers. CW, on the other hand, was good, but rather standard Marvel fare and after the 3rd weekend, didn't have the deep interest of a subsection of movie goers that DS had. That's my after the fact analysis of the hold and I'll keep that in my memory banks the next time I see something similar to this.

They work, but stats can also be misinterpreted and misused to draw many types of answers and inaccurate results. They might be better than guessing, but they are still guessing.

A lot of factors were under-estimated here, especially the holiday weekend factor.
 
They work, but stats can also be misinterpreted and misused to draw many types of answers and inaccurate results. They might be better than guessing, but they are still guessing.

A lot of factors were under-estimated here, especially the holiday weekend factor.

Oh. Absolutely. As I said, the trick is identifying the factors. The number crunching is rote. ALL predictions are a guess and there is always uncertainty. Over time, stats are absolutely better than random guessing, but no single incident can be accurately predicted. Let me give you an example.

I would pass out a penny to each student in my intro to stats and probability class. I would have each of them flip the coin ten times and count the number of heads or tails out of ten. Now, in any single set of ten coin flips, you might get 10, 9, or 8 of either, BUT, in a class of 70 people, the results mainly were 4, 5, and 6. So, there is uncertainty in any one given set of flips, but, overall, you KNOW what the main result is going to be. This is called variation or standard deviation from the mean. If you actually graph the results on a horizontal line numbered from 0-10, it will look like what we call the Bell Curve; which is the foundation for parametric statistical analysis.
 
If it could really get to 415M DOM and the OS BO stays the current course, that would put is right on the heels of 1B WW. I don't see that happening, but, hell, I didn't see it breaking 400M until I took a close look at the weekday BO numbers last week. The low drop last Monday caught my attention, but didn't know if that was going to hold.
 
Thereis no *big* movie coming out next weekend,so the neXt weekendshould be good too
 
And many people were saying few days ago that Top Gun wouldn't make much money and that it wasn't going to be competition. The film opened huge! Extremely impressive opening considering it's based on a 35 years old movie and not on any franchise with huge preexisting fanbase.
 
Thereis no *big* movie coming out next weekend,so the neXt weekendshould be good too
You would normally expect it to come in well under 10M because next Monday isn't a holiday and a 50% drop from a "normal" weekend would put it around 7M, BUT with the holds it had this week, it could be higher.
 
And many people were saying few days ago that Top Gun wouldn't make much money and that it wasn't going to be competition. The film opened huge! Extremely impressive opening considering it's based on a 35 years old movie and not on any franchise with huge preexisting fanbase.
I didn't hear a lot of that, but genuinely felt it was going to open well north of 100M 3 day. I was thinking along the lines of maybe 115??? and maybe 140+??? Glad to see it did well. I'm definitely going to see it Tuesday on the XD Cinemark screen.

I heard some people say maybe 90M, but even that would have been pretty good.
 
I think people underestimated a lot, even after the projected numbers were keep on rising. I'm really glad that something other than a superhero film performed that well in cinemas and I hope more films in general follow this trend in the future.
 
And many people were saying few days ago that Top Gun wouldn't make much money and that it wasn't going to be competition. The film opened huge! Extremely impressive opening considering it's based on a 35 years old movie and not on any franchise with huge preexisting fanbase.
I was one of them mainly because of Cruise's last 20 years of movies? This is his biggest movie since 2005's War of the Worlds? And he's had 4 MI movies since then.
 
MCU must be pretty relieved to get this BO, despite noticeable issues with critics and cinema score, given that before EG Strange was a second tiered character in MCU and Wanda was even lower. Now it rather shows than Strange is solid first tiered with Spider-Man and, likely Thor but we will have too see how that goes. Wanda perhaps too and I’m not sure about Cap Marvel, while Guardians will be gone or significantly rejigged. Tragically BP should have also been easily top tiered leading the universe.
 
MCU must be pretty relieved to get this BO, despite noticeable issues with critics and cinema score, given that before EG Strange was a second tiered character in MCU and Wanda was even lower. Now it rather shows than Strange is solid first tiered with Spider-Man and, likely Thor but we will have too see how that goes. Wanda perhaps too and I’m not sure about Cap Marvel, while Guardians will be gone or significantly rejigged. Tragically BP should have also been easily top tiered leading the universe.
IMO, NWH gave it a good, late boost in terms of interest in DS. He also was groomed by Marvel in IW and EG to be one of their most bankable characters. So, yeah, I think they saw this coming, but to actually pull it off would be a relief. It might not have done that well no matter how much planning or effort went into it. I think Thor is almost a gimme to be successful unless Taika goes way too Taika. I was not impressed with the last trailer and my misgivings about him sort of bubbled to the surface.
 
For Thor, I thought the teaser trailer was better than the full trailer. It was probably the combination of hearing the full song of “Sweet Child O’ Mine” with the quick shots of Thor and of course that joke at the end with Quill and the tease of Portman’s Thor. It was just masterfully done IMO.
 
IMO, NWH gave it a good, late boost in terms of interest in DS. He also was groomed by Marvel in IW and EG to be one of their most bankable characters. So, yeah, I think they saw this coming, but to actually pull it off would be a relief. It might not have done that well no matter how much planning or effort went into it. I think Thor is almost a gimme to be successful unless Taika goes way too Taika. I was not impressed with the last trailer and my misgivings about him sort of bubbled to the surface.
NWH definitely gave it a boost for presales, and IW in particular along with all the consistent cameos helped boost the character’s profile. Looking forward to Strange’s next appearance now. Certainly one of my favourite MCU characters.
 
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