Arrow Brandon Routh IS Ray Palmer/The Atom

[Micromind]

Yes, but the fact that he used that information to send her flowers and text messages (as opposed to sending her a letter or email or, you know, calling her to set up an interview or something) is a little creepy and definitely unprofessional. He's obviously trying to impress/flatter her, which is smart, but the way he's going about it isn't exactly normal.

He could have texted a simple apology for hacking into companies database before, same for the flowers, why is everything creepy ?

 

[Boy Scout]

Because instead of going to her work, he took the time to look through he personal records to find her address and phone number and took it upon himself to send texts to her personal phone (again, instead of making a call or using her home phone) and send flowers. Felicity herself described it as inappropriate behavior, and it kind of is.

 

[Verick808]

Maybe I'm being too critical of them. Still its a comic book show. They know hes eventualy going to necome a superhero, yet they pretty much accuse him of wanting to hire her so he can force her to sleep with him. Its not like there could be any other reason for unususual behavior in a city that was attacked by am earthquake machine and then attacked by an army of super soldiers led by a man who pretty !much did it because a hallucination of Oliver's dead girlfriend told him to.

 

[Lencho01]

Probably the first picture that I've seen of the character where he resembles Routh (imho)

I don't see it. Even less so since I know what that version of the character looks like under the mask. t:

Regardless of whether or not his intentions toward Felicity are romantic in nature, Palmer has undergone some pretty extreme measures to remain in contact with her. Sending her flowers (how does he know her address?), texting her (how did he get her number?), buying the store she currently works for, etc.

I read the reivew that saying how it was like 50 Shades of Grey (I haven't read it) in that the character is trying some romantic gesture, but it's so damn creepy.

 

[Herolee10]

Poor Routh, this makes it two heroes now that he's played (where both don the colors of red and blue) that is accused of being somewhat of a stalker

 

[Human Torch]

Poor Routh, this makes it two heroes now that he's played (where both don the colors of red and blue) that is accused of being somewhat of a stalker

 

[chamber-music]

On Arrow? But they have barely even stepped towards them yet?

They want to keep Arrow 'grounded' for some reason. Deathstroke and the Mirakuru was an exception to the rule apparently.

Marc Guggenheim said that if the shrinking was going to happen, it’s more likely to be on ‘The Flash,’" Routh revealed. "But I have no knowledge of a crossover or any of that. ‘Arrow’ is very grounded in reality, so nobody really has any powers. That is a challenging thing, to have you bring a character like the Atom in, with his trademark thing being that he shrinks." As for the costume, he teased: "Just because he’s not shrinking doesn’t mean that he might not be doing something else, or be involved in some other kind of superhero-y way. I know that there is some type of suit thing happening, though I’m not at liberty to discuss much. But it looks cool, and I would be happy to wear it.

 

[Verick808]

Poor Routh, this makes it two heroes now that he's played (where both don the colors of red and blue) that is accused of being somewhat of a stalker

Forgot about that. Maybe stalking is a superhero thing. Spidey was doing it in ASM2, too.

 

[Shlee]

The girls on the buzzfeed after show really don't like Ray Palmer. They were calling him a creepy stalker and laying into him for buying Felicity's company in an attempt to sleep with her. Nevermind that he has shown no romantic interest in her as of yet and mentioned having other reasons for buying her business that were unrelated to her.

It's only been like three days since they met. It's not like she was recieving texts and emails every day for a week or two. The flowers were probably "sorry i took your friend's company...plz work for me," flowers. I don't believe they were roses, at least it wasn't mentioned. Routh himself said Palmer's original interest in Felicity will be purely for her skills and abilities. Felicity obviously didn't think of him as a stalker since she went to work for him willingly at the end of the episode. Buying a company is extreme but he made it pretty clear he wants her to work for him. She seemed to understand he wasn't making any romantic gestures towards her. If his actions really did make her uncomfortable in that way she would have stayed away. Don't forget she was stalked when she was a Freshman.

The hosts were going on about his villainous plans to own her at work and own her in bed. Flat out called them a villain and claimed they wouldn't consider him otherwise until he stopped acting like one. They didn't even mention the fact that he pledged to donate half his money and that he would only receive a dollars income from the project. That seems like pretty good guy stuff to me. Not saying he doesn't have ulterior motives but there has been nothing to indicate that they're villainous.

I just feel that since they are hosting an after show discussion they shouldn't judge characters in such a shallow one-sided manner. Even worst though was all they really wanted to talk about was the relationships. No real mention of Komodo as a villain at all, except to make fun of the motorcycle scene.

"Did you do it to make a point? Because I get it, loud and clear. You are rich, you are impulsive, and frankly, you are the creepiest formal stalker that I have ever had to deal with, and believe me when I tell you that that is saying a lot." "You can stop. You can stop sending me flowers. And you can stop texting me, and calling me, and sending me emails, because I spam them anyway... because I am never, ever, ever, going to work for you."

So, I don't think his intent is to sleep with her. I never did, actually, so I don't agree on that aspect with those girls. However, this IS stalker behavior. And it IS creepy, no matter how many days it's been. I don't think it's only been "a few days". Maybe it has. Seems like at least a week or more.

Especially when she says "you can stop doing xyz" and makes "emails" plural, as in he's sent her many e-mails from different accounts, which she then says she sends spam to after she receives e-mails from him. To me, it sounds like he's been doing it for a while. Regardless of his motivations, it's creepy.

He got her personal information from mining old databases (or current ones since he now owns the company she -now- works for). That's creepy. You don't just look up someone's phone number, e-mail address, or home address to send them things or call/text them, whatever. Anyone would be creeped out if that happened.

It shows that he has no sense of other people's privacy, no sense of boundaries. It's a little sociopathic, to be honest.

He has bought Queen Consolidated and Felicity was a former employee of the company, so it's not that difficult to get her address and phone number, email id etc.

He didn't buy QC. He won the job of CEO. He DID buy the holding company that owns the majority shares of the company that Felicity works at NOW, so now he owns her current work place as well. But yes, either way, he had access to those things.

That doesn't make it right for him to just take her personal information though, and use it to harass her until she gives in. It's borderline abusive.

 

[coluanprime]

While he does seem to have done some creepy stalking, I think it is important to remember 2 things. When Felicity was calling him a stalker and yelling, the point of the scene was that she was angry that Sara was dead, not that he was a stalker. The second thing is that she's talented enough to have hacked the NSA, FBI, etc and have gone unnoticed, I would guess that's why he wants her, not because he wants to sleep with her.

 

[Herolee10]

Spidey was doing it in ASM2, too.

And he too dresses in red and blue.lol

 

[cryptic name]

They were told that WB/DC had plans for him.

That's a bummer. I would love to see Blue Beetle show up. Then they could eventually bring Booster Gold in and we could see some serious ****, haha.

 

[declan]

I don't understand why they completely changed the character of Ray Palmer for Arrow and he won't show up as The Atom until he's on The Flash.

If Ollie can't cope with this "meta" world they started he's going to start looking ridiculous when he, Barry, Ronnie and Ray sit and pop open a beer. Too bad he can't have Bruce there to tell them they're all pathetic idiots. t:

The "stalker" thing with Felicity is beyond creepy when you consider the powers he'll have, but I don't think this was done intentionally.

 

[CaptainWagner]

That's a bummer. I would love to see Blue Beetle show up. Then they could eventually bring Booster Gold in and we could see some serious ****, haha.

There was a rumor about a separate Booster Gold series, maybe Ted is being saved for that

I really don't get why they keep insisting on keeping Arrow "grounded". It's in the same world as the Flash, if they keep going with having all the powered people inexplicably avoid Star City, it's going to get really old really fast.

 

[vantheman77]

I don't understand why they completely changed the character of Ray Palmer for Arrow and he won't show up as The Atom until he's on The Flash.

This would make Ray Palmer's appearances in Arrow to be pointless since he should be in the Flash instead. I could say the same for Felicity if she's going to be Ronny Raymond's stepmother.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Is it weird Routh is becoming my favourite part of the show? He is just so likable in this role.

 

[TheBat812]

Is it weird Routh is becoming my favourite part of the show? He is just so likable in this role.

I'm loving him on the show as well, hilarious.

I don't really know too much about the Atom, but given the crossovers between Arrow/Flash, I could see him being integral in building the company back up and then leaving (handing the company back to Ollie) for Flash's city/show.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

So I'm guessing the shrinking belt is going to allow Atom to infiltrate ARGUS and take them down from the inside and destroy their HQ.

 

[declan]

This would make Ray Palmer's appearances in Arrow to be pointless since he should be in the Flash instead. I could say the same for Felicity if she's going to be Ronny Raymond's stepmother.

My only guess is that they wanted Ted Kord, and when they couldn't have him, they made Palmer Kord-like.

If The Atom ever becomes a popular character this is going to become even more ridiculous than it already is.

Re: Ronnie I think it was foolish to not make him a teenager. I always thought that was what made the Raymond/Stein symbiosis so weird.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Re: Ronnie I think it was foolish to not make him a teenager. I always thought that was what made the Raymond/Stein symbiosis so weird.

Agreed. It's less interesting seeing them trying to live together when they are both educated adult scientists.

 

[DrCosmic]

That doesn't make it right for him to just take her personal information though, and use it to harass her until she gives in. It's borderline abusive.

They have an abusive relationship. I believe it turned that way when Felicity destroyed all his data on all his computers. Nothing borderline about that abuse and, iirc, it wasn't supposed to be a one time thing either. Some may argue it started when he went to Best Buy because he was already stalking her then to hire her. Regardless, Palmer was in a position where he felt he had to either destroy Felicity or recruit her, so... yeah.

Totally agreed it's not a positive relationship, but it's your typical stalker situation by any means.

 

[DrCosmic]

Agreed. It's less interesting seeing them trying to live together when they are both educated adult scientists.

Also agreed. Even if they didn't make him a teen, having him be a "bro" type would have made the character more fun. But as is, I think they're playing him more schizophrenic than two people in one.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I wonder how Palmer will feel when he learn that Felicity played a play in blowing up applied sciences! Did Palmer give her the position head of applied science or why would she have her own office

 

[WBwins]

LOVE rouths performance.Hes pretty awesome.Shows just how misleading his performance was in SR.

I personally hope that when he does becaome Atom.....He doesnt Shrink.I kinda dislike Atoms silver age powers(Shrinking,Size amanipulation).Much prefer the Golden age powers(Atomic Punches,Superstregth,Agility,Resistance to Radiation).Hope they go with his Golden age powers

 

[king666]

Ray Palmer is awesome. Favorite thing about season 3, so far.

Can't wait to see him as The Atom.