Captain Marvel Brie Larson is Captain Marvel!

[I Am The Knight]

I found WW underwhelming. If there was a message, it’s about a scantily clad woman who has lived among with other scantily clad women all her life seizing the moment when a hot guy fell from the sky, “accidentally” walked into him when he was naked bathing, then decided to run off with him to “save the world” then vanished after he died. Hold on, I think I have seen that kind of plot before maybe that’s why it felt underwhelming to me without the ..... hmmm....

What

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Listen at the end of the day no matter how much anyone cries or complains Brie Larson is your captain marvel going forward...tough. If you ain't on board. vote with your wallet. but to harp on it and get into some crazed vitriolic fervor is kind of pathetic and very disturbing imo. Speaks volumes about the mental state of some people.

 

[Manasrepublic]

Complaining about the actor’s performance without having seen it for one’s self or at least having read the reviews commenting on his/her performance just makes no sense. It’s beyond bizarre. Trailers for some Marvel films to be honest don’t make the film look that great but then look at how those movies turn out. I remember there was pretty mixed responses to BP’s first trailer and look how that film with all of its multiple oscar nominations and some wins turned out

Let’s just all take a chill pill and if you want to see the film great go for it. If you don’t, then as MahvelBaby perfectly put it, vote with your damn wallet

 

[Hunter Rider]

I haven't seen Brie's comments that have caused the drama but I don't really care if the film is heavy on the girl power, I grew up knowing nothing but white, straight male heroes, everyone else for the most part was treat as secondary in the TV and films that shaped my young mind and in truth this carried on well into my 20's before we saw any change.

So the way I look at it is some of the movies now being lead by black heroes or female heroes are going to push hard on that because there is so much ground to make up after nearly a century of inequality, there's nothing to get upset about IMO, there's still plenty of us white, straight dudes getting to look like rock gods on screen every summer to live vicariously through, it's all good, and I'm stoked my little nieces who I adore now have some heroes of their own to want to be, whether it's Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Rey or now Captain Marvel.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

There's been 20 Man power movies in a row. They'll live.

 

[Kane52630]

Brie larson in this promotion debacle like ghostbusters 2016 could learn a thing or two from wonder woman and into the spiderverse. Both those movies were just marketed like normal about a superhero learning there way in the world and didnt make a big deal of there gender or race.

Less politics and more of heres a character and lets follow them on a 2 hour journey and go home afterwards.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Oh zip it. I'm a guy and I love that kind of stuff.

That one in LOTR wasn't even pandering - just great writing!

 

[samsnee]

There's been 20 Man power movies in a row. They'll live.

That's just the MCU. In the meanwhile, we've rebooted Ninja Turtles at least 3 times, Spider-man 3 times, Batman 3 times, Superman 3 times, and God knows how many Transformers movies.

So that's where women led superhero movies rank.

Imagine how heads will explode when we finally get a non-white female led superhero movie.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Oh but just you wait for the backlash the gay character in Eternals will have oooh boy. They may know they can't win that one and pick their battles.

Or when the most prominent faces of the Avengers team is T'Challa and Carol

 

[Mysteryman]

That's just the MCU. In the meanwhile, we've rebooted Ninja Turtles at least 3 times, Spider-man 3 times, Batman 3 times, Superman 3 times, and God knows how many Transformers movies.

So that's where women led superhero movies rank.

Imagine how heads will explode when we finally get a non-white female led superhero movie.

i would be down with that last part, including the heads exploding.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I haven't seen Brie's comments that have caused the drama but I don't really care if the film is heavy on the girl power, I grew up knowing nothing but white, straight male heroes, everyone else for the most part was treat as secondary in the TV and films that shaped my young mind and in truth this carried on well into my 20's before we saw any change.

So the way I look at it is some of the movies now being lead by black heroes or female heroes are going to push hard on that because there is so much ground to make up after nearly a century of inequality, there's nothing to get upset about IMO, there's still plenty of us white, straight dudes getting to look like rock gods on screen every summer to live vicariously through, it's all good, and I'm stoked my little nieces who I adore now have some heroes of their own to want to be, whether it's Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Rey or now Captain Marvel.

The interesting thing is when we got all those male action heroes in the 80's and 90's, I never once said to myself "Yeeeeeah guy power!!!!! It's a great time to be a guy ....... or better yet a white guy!". The movies were never marketed that way either.

I can't wait until we're out of the clear with that stuff already and people finally get it out of their systems, so we can advance as a people.

 

[BoredGuy]

And what will that take?
Lots and lots of movies featuring women and POCs that will still have to endure this bulls**t for a while

Action movies with white dudes in the 80's and 90's didn't have to market themselves that way because white dudes had been starring in action movies since time immemorial... it was a given. Once female and minority-led films are no longer a rarity, that stuff shall pass

Granted, there's a balancing act for how to do it properly... but in a better world there would be no massive online troll army attacking a company for marketing a movie towards a demographic they want to expand upon.

 

[Prettyricky]

So? A 10 speech doesnt equate to this nonsense. Even in the movie they barely mention his race, hence the director saying anyone can be behind the mask

 

[Abudefduf]

That one in LOTR wasn't even pandering - just great writing!

*Puts Tolkien nerd hat on* Ackshually, it was, from a certain point of view.

In the book Eowyn doesn't defeat the Witch-King because she's a woman, but because Merry wounds him with a magic blade and makes him vulnerable to regular blades. In the movies, the prophecy was changed from "no man will kill him" to "no man can kill him" and there's no magic blade.

Heck, in the book she doesn't even scream "I am no man" as she strikes him, she says it earlier. So yeah, I'd argue that it was "pandering".

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I'm glad they pandered because that scenes great.

 

[Abudefduf]

It is! I'm just saying, that scene is a bit less girl power-ish in the book.

 

[shinlyle]

I was just about to say...clearly, someone wasn't paying attention. They didn't scream it during the movie, but it was obviously a point of the movie! Anyone, regardless of race, gender, or species, can be a hero.

 

[shinlyle]

And what will that take?
Lots and lots of movies featuring women and POCs that will still have to endure this bulls**t for a while

Action movies with white dudes in the 80's and 90's didn't have to market themselves that way because white dudes had been starring in action movies since time immemorial... it was a given. Once female and minority-led films are no longer a rarity, that stuff shall pass

Granted, there's a balancing act for how to do it properly... but in a better world there would be no massive online troll army attacking a company for marketing a movie towards a demographic they want to expand upon.

Preach. The truly tolerant and even-minded people will watch a movie and judge it as a film. The close-minded will judge the book by its cover/advertising, and assume things, as they have forever. I'm a middle-aged white dude from the south, and I looked at Spider-Verse as THE best Spider-Man movie ever...because it truly is. I don't care what anyone else may perceive it as, the fact is, the movie was great. Also, they pandered to my "white, out-of-shape, and generally pretty tired and lazy" demographic with Peter B. Parker! That means...I can now cosplay!!

*falls on face*

"muh ahm piduh-mahn....."

("I am Spider-Man", muffled by the floor)

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I was just about to say...clearly, someone wasn't paying attention. They didn't scream it during the movie, but it was obviously a point of the movie! Anyone, regardless of race, gender, or species, can be a hero.

And from some of the CM reviews, some critics are saying the feminism is subtle, almost to the point of being non-existent at times. I've seen some paint that as a negative since it steers the movie away from having any strong conviction/identity (saw a few compare it to BP embracing it's blackness/ethnicity) and makes the movie like any other MCU origin film. Others have said the subtlety works in not having the film seen entirely through a single lens. One review said it the film is clearly more channeling the second-wave feminism of the 60s-80s (which the original Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel was a part of) than the third and fourth-wave of the 90s to the present.

 

[shinlyle]

And from some of the CM reviews, some critics are saying the feminism is subtle, almost to the point of being non-existent at times. I've seen some paint that as a negative since it steers the movie away from having any strong conviction/identity (saw a few compare it to BP embracing it's blackness/ethnicity) and makes the movie like any other MCU origin film. Others have said the subtlety works in not having the film seen entirely through a single lens. One review said it the film is clearly more channeling the second-wave feminism of the 60s-80s (which the original Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel was a part of) than the third and fourth-wave of the 90s to the present.

Sounds to me it's a woman doing what she does best, and not letting any obstacles stand in her way, which is classical feminism. As opposed to "look at me, I'm a woman and I demand you look at me because I am doing things men typically do/down with the patriarchy" feminism that, well, I don't think I've ever actually seen exist outside of the minds of small-minded dudes who get angry every time a woman does anything.

Edit- I say this as a man who leans right, and cares about none of those things...but also as the husband of a strong woman and the father of a strong-willed daughter who loves the former, and wants to see the latter succeed.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

One day people will look back and regret how stupid it was to not appreciate the wondrous things we are getting to see....and they're being done with care for the source material, even if it's being adapted.
I mean come on...an Eternals movie!?

 

[Hunter Rider]

The interesting thing is when we got all those male action heroes in the 80's and 90's, I never once said to myself "Yeeeeeah guy power!!!!! It's a great time to be a guy ....... or better yet a white guy!". The movies were never marketed that way either.

I can't wait until we're out of the clear with that stuff already and people finally get it out of their systems, so we can advance as a people.

Well it wouldn't because there was nothing to change, the message was loud and clear for decades, the straight white guy was the dominant human being in anything involving action and heroics, so there'd never been anything else so all we saw from our perspective was something presented to us as facts, there was nothing to feel empowered by as it was all we'd ever known, we'd never looked at any of these movies and not seen ourselves, all we saw was what was seen as the norm.

I agree that the day it's not a big deal that the heroic lead is a woman or a person of colour is the day we'll have evolved and improved as a society, but given it's taken the best part of 8 decades to get to this point it's going to be a while yet as women and people of colour are going to celebrate the evening out of the playing field for a while to come.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

People are also forgetting the hypocritical reaction to female led tent pole genre films that, IMHO probably still holds sway in Holkywood for all its declarations of having a "progressive" miindset.

The standard line for decades for the dearth of female led blockbuster budget films was that they didn't do well and they always would point to a financial or critical flop as the rationale. Always forgetting all the successes even the hugely iconic ones.

"These female characters/female led movies don't work financially" and then point to things ranging from COLUMBIANA to ATOMIC BLOND.

Conveniently leaving out:

Princess Leia (over four decades ago mind you, so they had the template but mostly chose to ignore it), The Bride of Kill Bill, Ellen Ripley of Alien, Sarah Connor of Terminator, Michelle Yeoh in the Asian film industry, Trinity in the Matrix or hell any of the Disney classic animated films featuring a female lead protagonist.

Hell even middling successes like the Jolie Tomb Raider films or C grade dreck like the Resident Evil films prove that there is potential in female led genre films.

There's also the way the rationalization expresses itself. No one says "Welp... That Bruce Willis led action film did bad. I guess we are gonna shelve all male led action films."

 

[JtheDreamer]

Well it wouldn't because there was nothing to change, the message was loud and clear for decades, the straight white guy was the dominant human being in anything involving action and heroics, so there'd never been anything else so all we saw from our perspective was something presented to us as facts, there was nothing to feel empowered by as it was all we'd ever known, we'd never looked at any of these movies and not seen ourselves, all we saw was what was seen as the norm.

This is correct - we saw ourselves, but at no point in time did they ever market it as such. It just was. Marketing it as "Straight Dominant White Guy Power!" would be extremely crass and insensitive.

I agree that the day it's not a big deal that the heroic lead is a woman or a person of colour is the day we'll have evolved and improved as a society, but given it's taken the best part of 8 decades to get to this point it's going to be a while yet as women and people of colour are going to celebrate the evening out of the playing field for a while to come.

So let me ask you a question - what's the arbitrary time limit on the "coming out" party? Like is there some magic number of years that it rights the ship? The initial movement is empowering, but the longer it remains the focus the less change actually happens because we're still creating "groups".

 

[JtheDreamer]

People are also forgetting the hypocritical reaction to female led tent pole genre films that, IMHO probably still holds sway in Holkywood for all its declarations of having a "progressive" miindset.

The standard line for decades for the dearth of female led blockbuster budget films was that they didn't do well and they always would point to a financial or critical flop as the rationale. Always forgetting all the successes even the hugely iconic ones.

"These female characters/female led movies don't work financially" and then point to things ranging from COLUMBIANA to ATOMIC BLOND.

Conveniently leaving out:

Princess Leia (over four decades ago mind you, so they had the template but mostly chose to ignore it), The Bride of Kill Bill, Ellen Ripley of Alien, Sarah Connor of Terminator, Michelle Yeoh in the Asian film industry, Trinity in the Matrix or hell any of the Disney classic animated films featuring a female lead protagonist.

Hell even middling successes like the Jolie Tomb Raider films or C grade dreck like the Resident Evil films prove that there is potential in female led genre films.

There's also the way the rationalization expresses itself. No one says "Welp... That Bruce Willis led action film did bad. I guess we are gonna shelve all male led action films."

By and large though the public spoke with their dollar - so they've been complicit in how long it took to get where we are today.