Fantasy Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel the Vampire - Part 3

[Loki882]

Especially since Angel didn't have "The Vampire Slayer" in the title at all, and yet people weren't "confused" by it. Buffy has been around enough and is well-known enough that most people would get it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm hoping by reboot they just mean a different slayer in the same continuity and the word is just tossed around. I have absolutely zero interest in a rebooted show about Buffy. It's idiotic. You wanna make a new slayer show, that's great, but it shouldn't be Buffy and erase all of that continuity.

This isn't how you do it. It just sounds like people digging up properties and race changing to make it seem progressive. It's superficial. Either create something new or again, have it be about a new slayer. I don't get that. Everybody wins there.

 

[Dark Raven]

Especially since Angel didn't have "The Vampire Slayer" in the title at all, and yet people weren't "confused" by it. Buffy has been around enough and is well-known enough that most people would get it.

That's not the same. If you released Angel now, 20 years after Buffy, people wouldn't necessarily know it referred to the same franchise. It worked because it was contemporary with Buffy at the time and was a spin-off airing at the same time, and people knew the character Angel from it.

They're obviously trading on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer name now. If they called it Nikki or Kendra or Faith, people wouldn't immediately know what it is and it wouldn't have the same brand recognition. A show named Kendra could easily have been some medical drama about a student named Kendra as far as the audience would know. And having a show named "Angel" now, could easily have been about someone who was an angel.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

They could've done that, and it would've been better than feeling the need to make Buffy black. Plus it would've given us more backstory to that character we saw.

Exactly.

Or they could've used that idea someone else just posted about a Slayer anthology series, like that Tales Of The Slayer book series they had going on years ago.

Maybe it’s just me… But I think it would be problematic (or at least melancholy) to do a mainstream action/adventure series knowing that the beloved protagonist dies in the end. Moreover, Nikki’s death wasn’t particularly epic. During a fight with a vampire (of which there must have been many) she just got unlucky.

Yeah the whole developing doomed characters trope is depressing as hell. But they could change it up. Maybe at one point in the present, Willow does a spell for Robin to warn her about Spike or something. Or they bring Nikki into our timeline, idk something creative.


But guys we're missing another big point: Dawn's also going to be black now too. LOL.

 

[Dark Raven]

Exactly.

Or they could've used that idea someone else just posted about a Slayer anthology series, like that Tales Of The Slayer book series they had going on years ago.



Yeah the whole developing doomed characters trope is depressing as hell. But they could change it up. Maybe at one point in the present, Willow does a spell for Robin to warn her about Spike or something. Or they bring Nikki into our timeline, idk something creative.


But guys we're missing another big point: Dawn's also going to be black now too. LOL.

She won't necessarily be black. She could be her adopted sister. She might not be black or white. She could be Latino or Asian. She might not even be her sister but her brother this time. Don.

Is this on the CW btw?

 

[Dr.]

Well she could've died halfway through the series and be brought back. After all, Buffy died before Season 7 and came back.

That would allow Nikki's story to carry on beyond what was shown.

Maybe… But Nikki died in 1977. And as of 2003, she was still dead (because The First was able to appear as her). So any resurrection would have to occur after this.

Now, I suppose there are any number of ways to cheat this (because supernatural = flexible “rules” ). But it seems like a long way to go for a dubious benefit.

 

[Primal Slayer]

There are more black slayers then just Kendra and Nikki, just have Tina The Vampire Slayer who got activated in 1978.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

There are more black slayers then just Kendra and Nikki, just have Tina The Vampire Slayer who got activated in 1978.

LOL. A series about the First Slayer wouldn't be that bad.

Just as long as they don't call her the Primitive again. That always rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[eddy]

For the guy who insists that Charisma was not pissed off about being fired. Here she is in this interview still clearly bothered by it.

And after searching for it on youtube, it appears that the video was removed.

Its still up in podcast form though. I don't know where in the video she states that she was fired and did not leave the show as the ignorant interviewer assumed.

https://podtail.com/en/podcast/don-...arisma-carpenter-don-t-mess-with-christine-s/

 

[Dark Raven]

Why was Charisma fired? What has become of her now?

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The treatment of Charisma/Cordelia is the reason why I have such an irrational dislike of Amy Acker.

Propping Fred up like she was this goddess (no pun) when Cordelia did it better always pissed me off.

 

[Primal Slayer]

For the guy who insists that Charisma was not pissed off about being fired. Here she is in this interview still clearly bothered by it.

And after searching for it on youtube, it appears that the video was removed.

Its still up in podcast form though. I don't know where in the video she states that she was fired and did not leave the show as the ignorant interviewer assumed.

https://podtail.com/en/podcast/don-...arisma-carpenter-don-t-mess-with-christine-s/

Why was Charisma fired? What has become of her now?

Got pregnant, didnt tell them immediately, they were forced to write her pregnancy in which changed the storyline to a degree, fired afterwards. She does guest stints on shows here and there.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

And Charisma is still the prettiest one.

Well her and Bianca Lawson. Bianca bathes in virgin tears to stay looking 18 when she's damn near 40.

 

[Dark Raven]

I always preferred Charisma with the long brown hair, not the short blonder hair. I didn't think that suited her.

I used to have this poster of her on my wall

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Cordelia was a great example of character development also. Like a textbook example.

From clueless pampered princess to a selfless warrior. Charisma was excellent in the role.

 

[Dark Raven]

Cordelia was a great example of character development also. Like a textbook example.

From clueless pampered princess to a selfless warrior. Charisma was excellent in the role.

That's exactly what I was hoping for the Mary Jane character in the MCU Spider-Man.

I also feel that this reboot is unnecessary, because it's like reliving your high school years all over again. It feels like we've been there and done that.

If today's generation want to experience it for the first time, then go watch the old series. It's still fresh.

Or if they wanted to do a remake, then do it like it was back then so that people get to experience what it was actually like. If it's completely different, then new fans will never know what attracted people to the series in the first place, because it's a completely different entity.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I always preferred Charisma with the long brown hair, not the short blonder hair. I didn't think that suited her.

I used to have this poster of her on my wall

Yeah the long brown locks were/are great on her. When she went short blonde....I was surprised they even let her do something so drastic considering Joss made her dye her hair back to brown after she added blonde highlights in S2 of Buffy.

I always wonder what Bianca Lawson wouldve been like in the role since she was originally supposed to play the character. Or how Cordelia would've grown had Angel failed and they went back to Buffy. That is probably the only interesting thing about a reboot is that the likihood of them doing something similar again (spinning off the boyfriend and a core character) is slim.

 

[Dark Raven]

I've forgotten now, because it's been years since I watched, but how did Cordelia suddenly become a villain? Why did they do that?

 

[Primal Slayer]

Jasmine, a fallen "Power That Be" used Conner and Cordelia to be reborn into the world. Cordelia basically became Jasmines vessel until she was ready to be born.

Just a lazy way to answer why Cordelia was pregnant all of a sudden and the coma was a way to give Charisma some maternity leave which she of course never came back from.

 

[Dark Raven]

Jasmine, a fallen "Power That Be" used Conner and Cordelia to be reborn into the world. Cordelia basically became Jasmines vessel until she was ready to be born.

Just a lazy way to answer why Cordelia was pregnant all of a sudden and the coma was a way to give Charisma some maternity leave which she of course never came back from.

I thought it got silly around there. I never enjoyed the character of Connor either.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Yeah Conner was one of the worst characters if not THE worst to come out of the Buffyverse. While I enjoyed Darlas aspect of it, her storyline while pregnant was very good but once he came back as a teen....wooooo! not their best writing.

 

[Dark Raven]

I honestly preferred the earlier seasons of Buffy to the later ones, when she was still discovering her powers, and others were still finding out about her. I liked season 1 where Cordelia was still in the dark, but slowly finding out. She said some funny things too.

I think there was a freshness about the whole thing which later began to get stale as the seasons went on. The Scooby Gang began to get too wussy and mamby-pambyish too, and almost excruciating to watch.

It's almost like everyone was a variation of Topher Brink from Dollhouse. Which is probably really an extension of Joss Whedon.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I loved Buffy until they kept shoving Andrew down our throats.

 

[Dark Raven]

I loved Buffy until they kept shoving Andrew down our throats.

Which one was he? Nathan Fillion?

I found the whole Willow/ Tara thing dull too.

The reboot really feels like it should be on the CW.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Which one was he? Nathan Fillion?

I found the whole Willow/ Tara thing dull too.

The reboot really feels like it should be on the CW.

He was Warren's sidekick during season 6-7.

Annoying as hell, the way they kept propping him up too. I swear they did the most for Spike, Andrew and Fred in the Buffyverse.

I blame Firefly.