Sequels Can a Spider-Man movie ever top The Dark Knight?

[LightningFlash]

...one guy calls me an idiot.

Hope you know I'm not offended.

I still have my opinions...that they need to start anew with Spidey.

You sir, are the idiot with that phrase by Christopher Nolan...if Raimi loved the story of Spider-Man, why did he not just quit when Arad pushed his head into the conversation and said "Let's bring in Venom and take out Vulture".

 

[webhead731]

Stop bringing Nolan into this like that quote actually relates.

Raimi does love Spider-Man. He let Venom in to make us happy. Granted, some weren't.

But he does love the Spider-Man character. He worked his ass off on 3.

 

[Doctor Jones]

...one guy calls me an idiot.

Hope you know I'm not offended.

I still have my opinions...that they need to start anew with Spidey.

You sir, are the idiot with that phrase by Christopher Nolan...if Raimi loved the story of Spider-Man, why did he not just quit when Arad pushed his head into the conversation and said "Let's bring in Venom and take out Vulture".

He was contracted? And I don't think the studio would appreciate him walking out on a middle of a project from already making two highly successful films. Which reminds me, yes, the first two, and the third made tons of money. The first two films were excellent, though the third film now so much. It's just stupid of you to think that something a mistake (which isn't a terrible film to begin with) like SM3 they need to reboot. It didn't bomb financially and critically like B&R did. If this was happening since the beginning, then yeah, reboot. You like other people are throwing the stupid term around too much. You just think that things that didn't work for you they just need to reboot and everything will be alright and done your way. They're not going to reboot somehting that made them billions of dollars.

I'm looking forward what you have to say next. And make sure it relates to my post. Did you read it? If you did, read it again. I want to see what else you can come up with.

 

[LightningFlash]

Venom wasn't the ONLY mistake.

If Raimi worked off his ass, then why didn't Sandman have a full story?

How come he made Peter into a whiney-ass *****?

Why didn't he show the aggresive side of the symbiote more?

Why did he take scenes out because of Sony?

Why did he listen to Arad and Sony instead of his "gut feeling?"

I say reboot just for the fact that he killed what could've been a GREAT movie.

Funny how you think I'm only talking about Venom, because no; Raimi did a PATHETIC job with every character; the only character that was any decent was Aunt May, but who knows...maybe she will finally become Aunt Carnage in the fourth installment.

 

[webhead731]

If Raimi worked off his ass, then why didn't Sandman have a full story?

What more did you want?

"How come he made Peter into a whiney-ass *****?"

He cried once. He was beginning to break when MJ "dumped" him. He cried when his BEST FRIEND died.
I'd love to see how you take both situations. If he didn't cry I'm sure you'd be "that's un-realistic! Anyone would cry!"

"Why didn't he show the aggresive side of the symbiote more?"

-Subway fight
-"You'll get the rent when you fix this damn door!"
-Harry fight (pumpkin bomb included)
-Getting Eddie fired and slamming him against a wall
-***** slapping MJ

And there may be more.
Yeah, I kinda agree. They could have went into more. But that's definitely a good amount. They showed it.

"Why did he take scenes out because of Sony?"


They do have a say.

"Why did he listen to Arad and Sony instead of his "gut feeling?""

Well gee. I wonder.

"I say reboot just for the fact that he killed what could've been a GREAT movie."

I say you're blowing this out of proportion. You act like this is the all-time worst. And if this is the all-time worst, then you haven't seen anything or you're opinion is just funny that way.

 

[dark_b]

Stop bringing Nolan into this like that quote actually relates.

Raimi does love Spider-Man. He let Venom in to make us happy. Granted, some weren't.

But he does love the Spider-Man character. He worked his ass off on 3.

a lot of fans didnt like how venom was in the movie.

but at the end of the day when peopel are making fun of SM3 they dont shoe venom
come on guys be honest and tell us how do people make fun of SM3? what do they always use? which scenes do they mention?

i am pissed of because some fans here are acting like venom was the reason that on SHH people always post gifs of idiotic EMO parker and ''cry of the week'' parker.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Exactly Dark_b. I don't think the hate of SM3 came from the poor use or Brock/Venom, it came from the poor use of Parker/Spidey. The reason I hate SM3 is because I hated Parker in it. I don't wanna see a whiney, emo prick Peter Parker who is caught up in love triangles and likes dancing to jazz whilst proclaiming "Now dig on this".
I wanna see the happy go lucky, intelligent and wise-cracking bad ass Spidey/Parker. I used to love reading Spidey when I was younger, maybe more than Batman. So I want to see the Parker/Spidey from the comics, not the little prick that Raimi thought would be a good character.

 

[dark_b]

Exactly Dark_b. I don't think the hate of SM3 came from the poor use or Brock/Venom, it came from the poor use of Parker/Spidey. The reason I hate SM3 is because I hated Parker in it. I don't wanna see a whiney, emo prick Peter Parker who is caught up in love triangles and likes dancing to jazz whilst proclaiming "Now dig on this".
I wanna see the happy go lucky, intelligent and wise-cracking bad ass Spidey/Parker. I used to love reading Spidey when I was younger, maybe more than Batman. So I want to see the Parker/Spidey from the comics, not the little prick that Raimi thought would be a good character.

a huge problem for me was the crying when MJ ''broke '' up with him.
i know someone will say but he is young.

when i was 13 i wouldnt cry so much. of course there are men who would cry like that. but this is what....3%?
i knwo that Raimi likes to have overreacted sceens. but this was to much. ok crying at the end when harry was dying was bad but still normal in a way.
the crying on the bridge just didnt fit in. the guy looked like he was desperate. IMO first peter would have to be shocked and suprised. then you get desperate after an hour or maybe week. but you dont start crying like that in a minute. jesus christ. grow some balls. so basicly when in school everyone was making fun of him they were right? he is really a ''*****'' ?
right? every bully that every made fun of him was right. he is a 13 yr girl.


crying like that in a summerblockbuster......please

 

[Ace of Knaves]

LOL. I think the only credible reaction Parker had in that whole movie was when Harry revealed to him about MJ in the cafe. The look of confusion and "no way, your lying!!" was pretty accurate. Then they go and ruin it by having him blub like a little girl. To be honest Harry was much more likeable than Peter in SM3

 

[Doctor Jones]

I really did like Harry's character in SM3. I thought his arc was the best.

But I don't know why people complain about Peter talk with Marko at the end. He isn't crying, just teary eyed. I loved that scene, it was pretty well written, and as good as an actor Maguire is, I don't think him and Dunst tried as much in SM3. But that scene with him and Marko was what we were missing from Maguire for some of the film.

And we should really close this thread. Instead it's turned into a "Let's compare The Dark Knight's awesomeness to SM3."

 

[Batspider77]

Stop bringing Nolan into this like that quote actually relates.

Raimi does love Spider-Man. He let Venom in to make us happy. Granted, some weren't.

But he does love the Spider-Man character. He worked his ass off on 3.

I´m sure Raimi loves the Spider-man Character but he don´t understand the Character of Spider-Man.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I really did like Harry's character in SM3. I thought his arc was the best.

But I don't know why people complain about Peter talk with Marko at the end. He isn't crying, just teary eyed. I loved that scene, it was pretty well written, and as good as an actor Maguire is, I don't think him and Dunst tried as much in SM3. But that scene with him and Marko was what we were missing from Maguire for some of the film.

And we should really close this thread. Instead it's turned into a "Let's compare The Dark Knight's awesomeness to SM3."

You talking to me? I'm not trying to do that atall. I'm just saying what I think Spidey films need to improve on. I don't want a Spidey film to be like TDK, I want it to be brilliant but in a different way.

 

[hatebox]

At the very least, SM3 demonstrated how little control over the finished product Raimi has if reports are to be believed, and that's DEFINITELY something he can envy Nolan for...

 

[Venom'sDad]

I´m sure Raimi loves the Spider-man Character but he don´t understand the Character of Spider-Man.

As well as the supporting characters.

 

[Symbiote666]

Nm.

 

[dark_b]

At the very least, SM3 demonstrated how little control over the finished product Raimi has if reports are to be believed, and that's DEFINITELY something he can envy Nolan for...

i really dont belive this.

i actually think that Nolan is more like a crazy guy who would get really mad if someone would try to put a finger in hes ass. because this is what they did with raimi IMO. but you have to be a man and stand up. i mean he was the golden director for SM and SM 2 .

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I really did like Harry's character in SM3. I thought his arc was the best.
But I don't know why people complain about Peter talk with Marko at the end. He isn't crying, just teary eyed. I loved that scene, it was pretty well written, and as good as an actor Maguire is, I don't think him and Dunst tried as much in SM3. But that scene with him and Marko was what we were missing from Maguire for some of the film.

And we should really close this thread. Instead it's turned into a "Let's compare The Dark Knight's awesomeness to SM3."

Agreed, Harry's arc was superb in Spidey 3, and really made the movie for me.

But to answer the question of the thread, OF COURSE a Spiderman movie can top TDK, ANY CB movie can, TDK is the cream of the crop right now, but I sure as hell expect every director embarking on a CB movie in the near future to try and beat it.

Just think, a few years ago, the question was, "Can a Batman movie ever top Spiderman 2?" It can and WILL be done, eventually, Spiderman 4 is a damn good place to start. Although Watchmen is looking superb.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea i think if they said TDK can never be topped it will be disappointing for all fans. There has to be a goal that these film makers aim at so they can improve, TDK and a little less so Ironman are these goals.

I don't ever want to see a Spidey film in the same mould as TDK though. Equal in brilliance? Yes. Equal in tone and darkness? No

 

[I Am The Knight]

Spider-Man 4 can never top The Dark Knight. NEVAH! Save your $10 bucks.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

lol

 

[hatebox]

i really dont belive this.

i actually think that Nolan is more like a crazy guy who would get really mad if someone would try to put a finger in hes ass. because this is what they did with raimi IMO. but you have to be a man and stand up. i mean he was the golden director for SM and SM 2 .

Maybe it's your grammar or analogy but I'm not entirely sure what you're saying.

You start off by saying you disagree with me then, it seems, in so many words basically reiterate what I was implying in the first place.

 

[LightningFlash]

What more did you want?

"How come he made Peter into a whiney-ass *****?"

He cried once. He was beginning to break when MJ "dumped" him. He cried when his BEST FRIEND died.
I'd love to see how you take both situations. If he didn't cry I'm sure you'd be "that's un-realistic! Anyone would cry!"

Why...would you cry...over a girl...dumping you?

The best friend dying thing, yah, I get it, BUT...in the final trailer and in the movie, he had two different "crying" faces and in the movie, his "crying" face was VERY unrealistic.

 

[CFE]

Can they make a better "Spider-Man" Film then the previous 3 films? Absolutely...and I want them to.

Can they make a "Spider-Man" Film that's nearly equal to "The Dark Knight" in tone, complexity or combination therof? It's completely possible.

But the Thread is asking if a "Spider-Man" Film can top "The Dark Knight" financially...and I don't think so.

I think "The Dark Knight" made it look incredibly easy..but truthfully, I get the feeling that a lot of people aren't aware of just how difficult it is for a film to reach Domestic Box Office in the $500 - $600 million range.

There was an incredible alignment of both uplifting and tragic circumstances that led to "TDK"s success...circumstances that "Spider-Man 4/5" won't have...or really any event film in the near future for that matter.

The only film that has a forseen shot is a proposed 3rd Nolan-Batman film, but even THAT has the odds placed against it.

Anything non-Batman will find it even more impossible.

I think the real request that needs to be fulfilled is whether or not "Spider-Man 4" can top "Spider-Man 3."

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[Swordmaster]

A comic book movie, be it Spider-Man or X-Men or Hulk, should not aim to top Dark Knight's quality. It should aim to be the best movie the cast and crew can make. If, in the process, it does top Dark Knight, then so be it. But it not doing as well as Dark Knight should not be a measure of success or failure.[/end random rant]

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Good point. Thats how I feel aswell really. They should just set out to make the best movie they possibly can, put 100% in.
A Spiderman film should be completely different from a Batman film anyway.