The Amazing Spider-Man Can Spider-Man 4 fix Spider-Man 3?

[spider-neil]

whoa whoa whoa...I aint starting no fight but I've read cameron's original script for spider-man....and i think i'll take batman and robin plz. and bay? naw...let him blow other things up, not new york city. not sure about abrams or jackson. but raimi was pretty much perfect.

I agree but they should let raimi BE raimi. there wa only one time in three movies where I felt sam's kinetic camera and that was the hospitial scene. sam has really reigned himself in when you compare his camera style of evil dead to the spidey movies.

 

[DACMAN]

whoa whoa whoa...I aint starting no fight but I've read cameron's original script for spider-man....and i think i'll take batman and robin plz. and bay? naw...let him blow other things up, not new york city. not sure about abrams or jackson. but raimi was pretty much perfect.

Yeah, I've read the Cameron script too and if that was in fact the real script it was pretty terrible. But it was so bad I have a hard time believing it was real. Every movie that guy has made is pure gold. Abrams and Jackson would have made an amazing movie. They are all about character. And Bay? I can see why some people would be reluctant about him, but I love his work.

 

[DACMAN]

I agree but they should let raimi BE raimi. there wa only one time in three movies where I felt sam's kinetic camera and that was the hospitial scene. sam has really reigned himself in when you compare his camera style of evil dead to the spidey movies.

I disagree. I think if they let "Raimi be Raimi" we'd end up with more dance scenes and more "wicked cool" pieces of dialogue. He loves cheese. Everyone knows that. Ever seen "Drag Me to Hell"? Hate it or love it, that movie was cheesy as, pun intended, hell. I think we have enough cheese in these movies already. If he was let loose the movie theater would turn into a giant cheese factory.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I disagree. I think if they let "Raimi be Raimi" we'd end up with more dance scenes and more "wicked cool" pieces of dialogue. He loves cheese. Everyone knows that. Ever seen "Drag Me to Hell"? Hate it or love it, that movie was cheesy as, pun intended, hell. I think we have enough cheese in these movies already. If he was let loose the movie theater would turn into a giant cheese factory.

but....I like cheese

 

[david icke]

Yeah, I've read the Cameron script too and if that was in fact the real script it was pretty terrible. But it was so bad I have a hard time believing it was real. Every movie that guy has made is pure gold.

The thing that makes me believe that it was in fact a genuine Cameron script is that Cameron is the kind of guy who would want to put his own stamp on it, he seemed to take the basic concept of Spider-man to do what he wanted with it, while missing out completely on what makes Spider-man special.

Abrams and Jackson would have made an amazing movie. They are all about character. And Bay? I can see why some people would be reluctant about him, but I love his work.

Bay would make a truly horrible Spider-man movie.

Abrams and Jackson would make a good one, probably on a par with Raimi though, we are lucky to have Raimi. And the fear I have over a re-boot, or when someone else takes over the franchise, is that when the movie is over, all the Raimi haters will be thinking 'Damn, those Raimi movies were not as bad as I thought they were compared to this.'
He knows the iconography, he knows how to get Spider-man on camera, he has probably brought us the best possible Spider-man action scenes humanly possible to get on camera.
Yes, there have been problems story and character wise, but there are a lot of things he has brought to these movies that I feel some are taking for granted. There is no way these will be regarded like 89-97 Batman movies, those barely managed to get a character like Batman into them, whereas spier-man is truly a feature of these films, and so it plenty of his history.

 

[Venom 1988]

I disagree. I think if they let "Raimi be Raimi" we'd end up with more dance scenes and more "wicked cool" pieces of dialogue. He loves cheese. Everyone knows that. Ever seen "Drag Me to Hell"? Hate it or love it, that movie was cheesy as, pun intended, hell. I think we have enough cheese in these movies already. If he was let loose the movie theater would turn into a giant cheese factory.

Yeah because he had all that crap in the first 2 movies.

The 3rd has the cheesiest of them all and it was the one with the most studio involvement. Gee coincidence?

 

[SpeterMan3]

but....I like cheese

I've been obsessed with cheese since 5th grade...

 

[Rodrigo90]

Cheese can give you nightmares. Certainly had Sams cheesy nightmare.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Cheese can give you nightmares. Certainly had Sams cheesy nightmare.

havent had any yet.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Why are we talking about cheese? lol

 

[spider-neil]

how anyone could want bay over raimi is beyond me. TF: ROTF is without a doubt in the top 5 worst movies ever made. that movie makes SM3 look like the godfather.

as for action, the clocktower/train fight is still (imho) the best superhero action sequence commited to film.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

the clocktower/train fight is still (imho) the best superhero action sequence commited to film.

Amen.

 

[webhead731]

All the Spider-Man films have cheese and seriousness in them. Hell the first one has almost as much as the third.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I know right! Can you imagine how good these movies would be in the hands of Abrams, Peter Jackson, Bay, or even JAMES FRICKEN CAMERON! These movies would have been amazing! Instead we got cheesy, poorly written, eye candy. I liked all three films, but I'm the first to admit they were cheesy and often, poorly written.

Thanks for seeing my point. It just makes me sick though how people eat it all up. They settle for this simple eye candy I want to throw up.

Let Raimi do part 4, and then he and the cast have got to go. Period.

Unless he amazes me with genuine acting, a good plot, a Tobey Maguire that doesn't stare into the headlights (he's awful) - he's gotta take charge, I'm sick of this ***** crap wooden faced acting. TAKE CHARGE !! He needs to steal the show w/ the semi confident Parker, a wise cracking Spider-Man, and just genuine acting!!! He was good in Joyride, a cheap B grade movie where he was great! BRING THAT TO SPIDER-MAN!

 

[RustyCage]

As for the OP's idea, no, I don't think anything in regards to Uncle Ben's death can or needs to be 'fixed'.

But I do think that another movie with the return of Venom could save the Venom aspect of Spidey 3 from being so appalling cause we'd know that the villain wasn't ruined and then cast aside forever. All they'd have to do is use Venom's 'death' as a means of turning him into something truly monstrous and fearsome. The voice could be a result of that, etc etc. We could get a proper Venom out of the deal. And the first time a villain has returned to give Peter trouble, as they always have in the comics.

He needs to steal the show w/ the semi confident Parker, a wise cracking Spider-Man, and just genuine acting!!! He was good in Joyride, a cheap B grade movie where he was great! BRING THAT TO SPIDER-MAN!

 

[Reikowolf]

As for the OP's idea, no, I don't think anything in regards to Uncle Ben's death can or needs to be 'fixed'.

But I do think that another movie with the return of Venom could save the Venom aspect of Spidey 3 from being so appalling cause we'd know that the villain wasn't ruined and then cast aside forever. All they'd have to do is use Venom's 'death' as a means of turning him into something truly monstrous and fearsome. The voice could be a result of that, etc etc. We could get a proper Venom out of the deal. And the first time a villain has returned to give Peter trouble, as they always have in the comics.

As I've said before, I am not a fan of Venom but I do like your idea.

Especially the part about a villain returning.

 

[DACMAN]

Yeah because he had all that crap in the first 2 movies.

The 3rd has the cheesiest of them all and it was the one with the most studio involvement. Gee coincidence?

The 3rd had the cheesiest moments in it all of which were Raimi's ideas. The dance scene, the walk down the street, all Raimi. The only thing the studio pushed was Venom. And yes, the first two had it's fair share of cheese. Not to mention the studio only pushed Venom, they didn't make Raimi and his brother give Venom a treatment that would lead them to cast Topher Grace.

Raimi loves cheese. To deny that makes it look like you've never seen a film of his. Every Raimi film is full of cheese. The one with the least cheese was the first and he's even said the studio had more control over what he did because the franchise was untested. He's said as they went along he was given more and more control. The only thing he gave to the studio was the appearence of Venom. Show me a link that spells out the fact the studio made Raimi have a dance scene and make the Sandman Uncle Ben's killer.

 

[DACMAN]

As for the OP's idea, no, I don't think anything in regards to Uncle Ben's death can or needs to be 'fixed'.

But I do think that another movie with the return of Venom could save the Venom aspect of Spidey 3 from being so appalling cause we'd know that the villain wasn't ruined and then cast aside forever. All they'd have to do is use Venom's 'death' as a means of turning him into something truly monstrous and fearsome. The voice could be a result of that, etc etc. We could get a proper Venom out of the deal. And the first time a villain has returned to give Peter trouble, as they always have in the comics.

 

[storyteller]

This film does not need to be darker. It needs to be deeper. We need to be invested in the heroes and bad guys. I honestly should care that Mary Jane is in danger. I should care that Peter is in a relationship with her. I should have gave a damn about Sand little girl. I liked Eddie but he should have been in the movie more(still got hope for his revival).