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The Amazing Spider-Man Michael Papajohn Returning for Spider-Man 4?

You're wrong about Spider-Man 2. That is hailed as one of the greatest superhero flicks of all time.

So if that's your definition of destroying a Spidey movie, then I hope Raimi totally obliterates Spider-Man 4 in the same way :oldrazz:

So what if it's hailed? Because it's more like a drama than a comic-book film? You get thirty minutes of Doc Ock and ninety minutes of Peter acting like a *****. Yah...that's why it was a great movie. And plus, Otto was a sympathetic villain which was very unnecessary, or at least, the beginning of Ock being friendly to Peter was okay, but then having him go back to being "good" at the end is pretty dumb...what if Molina were to return, what would be the great excuse for him? He comes out of the ocean and declares that he's evil AFTER controlling his tentacles? Making it go through the same-old story of the tentacles controlling him once more?

I say Raimi messed up the films because he doesn't show the smartass of Spider-Man, he doesn't show how MJ is NOT annoying, and he makes all the villains, except for Norman, sympathetic. Maybe aside for Venom, but Venom was idiotically pure evil.

Hahahahahaha, yeah that's why it won the Academy Award for them :woot:

And that doesn't mean a thing. Movies such as Milk wins awards as well, where movies like JCVD, win nothing.
 
So what if it's hailed?

What do you mean so what? It means the general consensus loves the movie. People like you are in a minority about it.

You might as well say so what if Spider-Man is hailed as popular by the general consensus, does that mean he's a good character?

Because it's more like a drama than a comic-book film?

Your ignorance about the Spider-Man character rears it's head in practically every post you make.

Peter Parker's life is a drama. Everything you saw him deal with in Spider-Man 2 was in the comics. The Spider-Man no more story is one of the most famous and popular Spidey stories of all.

And that doesn't mean a thing.

It doesn't mean a thing to you. The movie got the award because it was deserved. The special fx displayed in SM-2 really raised the bar.

The train fight alone is hailed as not only one of the greatest fight scenes in a comic book movie, but all movies.
 
Your ignorance about the Spider-Man character rears it's head in practically every post you make.

Peter Parker's life is a drama. Everything you saw him deal with in Spider-Man 2 was in the comics. The Spider-Man no more story is one of the most famous and popular Spidey stories of all.
I agree 110%, and you're right about Peter's life being a drama in the comics. :up:
 
What do you mean so what? It means the general consensus loves the movie. People like you are in a minority about it.

You might as well say so what if Spider-Man is hailed as popular by the general consensus, does that mean he's a good character?

Your ignorance about the Spider-Man character rears it's head in practically every post you make.

Peter Parker's life is a drama. Everything you saw him deal with in Spider-Man 2 was in the comics. The Spider-Man no more story is one of the most famous and popular Spidey stories of all.

It doesn't mean a thing to you. The movie got the award because it was deserved. The special fx displayed in SM-2 really raised the bar.

The train fight alone is hailed as not only one of the greatest fight scenes in a comic book movie, but all movies.

Hahahaha
 
What do you mean so what? It means the general consensus loves the movie. People like you are in a minority about it.

You might as well say so what if Spider-Man is hailed as popular by the general consensus, does that mean he's a good character?



Your ignorance about the Spider-Man character rears it's head in practically every post you make.

Peter Parker's life is a drama. Everything you saw him deal with in Spider-Man 2 was in the comics. The Spider-Man no more story is one of the most famous and popular Spidey stories of all.



It doesn't mean a thing to you. The movie got the award because it was deserved. The special fx displayed in SM-2 really raised the bar.

The train fight alone is hailed as not only one of the greatest fight scenes in a comic book movie, but all movies.
Ugh... Don't make that claim unless you've seen all of the Hong Kong action movies, all of the Jackie Chan (non-American) movies, all of the Bruce Lee movies, all of the Jet Li movies, and far beyond those. If it's really one of the best of "all movies". How can you even make that claim when you haven't even seen "all movies". It's far to call it one of the best comic-book movie action sequences of all-time. But, don't ever jump the gun and say that it's "the best of all movies".

I disagree with you both on this. Of the series, it's my least favourite (it took me some time to realize that). I can see what people may like about it. Yet, I can see what people may not like about it. Just like any movie out there. I can understand why 'LightningFlash' doesn't like 'Spider-Man 2'. While, I can see why you ('Joker') do like it. Personally, I liked it the least of the series because I thought that it felt more like a soap-opera than the 'Spider-Man' that I knew from the comics and the television shows.

The second installment didn't give me the nostalgia I had with my experience on the first. And, it was just something that was not 'Spider-Man'. Just as the Michael Bay 'Transformer' movies, I consider them not to be the 'Transformers' that I knew. So many people wanna go ape---- and say that this is 100% true to the comics. Sure, it may take direct passages from the comic-books and churn them into the movie. But, it doesn't have the same vibe and feeling as the comic-books do. If you wanna see something that's 100% true to the comics, without taking one-for-one what the comics did. Look at 'The Spectacular Spider-Man' cartoons. Those are 100% true to the comic-books.

An example of not staying 100% true to the comic-books. 'Watchmen'. Die-hard fans of that movie would argue with you until the cows come home that the movie is 100% faithful to the comics. Sure. It may take passages from the comic-books and churn them into the movie. But, that doesn't mean that it's 100% faithful. So, pretty much "100% faithful" to some people means churning stuff in from the original source material, without capturing what made the source material great, in the first place.

Anyhow, that's my rant. I just typed that out while I thought about it. So, it does lead off-topic as it goes along. But, who cares? Those are my opinions. You don't like 'em, ignore them. If you're gonna start to whine/complain about them, I'm not even gonna bother replying back to you.
 
Ugh... Don't make that claim unless you've seen all of the Hong Kong action movies, all of the Jackie Chan (non-American) movies, all of the Bruce Lee movies, all of the Jet Li movies, and far beyond those. If it's really one of the best of "all movies". How can you even make that claim when you haven't even seen "all movies". It's far to call it one of the best comic-book movie action sequences of all-time. But, don't ever jump the gun and say that it's "the best of all movies".

Ugh....I didn't personally say it, although I do agree with it. I said it is hailed as that by the general consensus of movie fans. One of the reasons why SM-2 got the Academy Award for the special fx in it.

You make a thread about great movie fight sequences, and I guarantee the train fight will be one of the most frequently mentioned. Guaranteed.

A couple of random examples: http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/feature/top-50-movie-fight-scenes.php?page=5

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/fightscenes/50-26.html

Look at 'The Spectacular Spider-Man' cartoons. Those are 100% true to the comic-books

Are they?

Gwen as a bookish nerd. Brock as a childhood friend to Peter, and lab assistant to Curt Conners. Kraven as a mutant tiger man. Montana, one of the Enforcers, as Shocker. Sandman and Rhino were pals before they became villains. Ock and Vulture were both Oscorp employees. The Oscorp super villain making programme etc.

There's lots of discrepencies from the comics. But most of them are acceptable. But no way is it 100% faithful to the comics. No on screen adaption of a comic book character is. Especially one based on a character that has over 50 years of comic book history.

Anyhow, that's my rant. I just typed that out while I thought about it. So, it does lead off-topic as it goes along. But, who cares? Those are my opinions. You don't like 'em, ignore them. If you're gonna start to whine/complain about them, I'm not even gonna bother replying back to you.

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I think you mistake me for someone who cares which Spidey movies you like or dislike. You just stated your opinion. Nothing I say will change it, not that I would even try to change anyone's opinion.

The only reason I responded to Lightningflash's post is because, as always, he makes a bunch of claims about Spidey that are simply untrue. Why? Because he's never read the comics. His lack of knowledge on the character bursts thru in all of his posts.

He's quite infamous for it around here. He's often asked why he even cares about the franchise, when he doesn't read the comics, and hates the bulk of the movies. Just read his signature.

Yet he posts constantly in here about a franchise he dislikes.
 
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Sorry LF, but in terms of what Joker said, he's right. Peter Parker's life has always been a drama.

I disagree with the big J on our opinion of SM2 as a movie, but (as I said in my previous post) the reason I dislike Spider-man 2 was because of the large liberties Raimi took in portraying the main characters in the movies. It's not the drama that Raimi get's wrong, that element of Spider-man he understands very well.
 
I think these reveiws sum up the trilogy nicely. Although I think they're being generous giving SM-3 three stars:

Spider-Man:
Lonely and geeky Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire) gains a whole new perspective on life when he's bitten by a genetically altered spider, who transfers its powers into him. At the same time, Norman Osborn (Willem Dafoe), worried that his company is going to lose government funding, tests out a super soldier serum on himself. The process is a failure, and drives Norman mad, turning him into the Green Goblin. Peter, meanwhile, uses his powers for profit in an attempt to buy a car to impress his longtime crush, Mary-Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst). Failing to use his powers responsibly, Peter inadvertently contributes to the death of his own uncle. Stricken with guilt, he resolves to stop crime and save innocents as the Amazing Spider-Man.

The first film in the series does an excellent job of giving us a hero's origins. Tobey Maguire is perfectly cast as both Parker and Spider-Man. Quiet and unassuming in his secret identity, he comes to life as the main character, full of wit and enthusiasm. There are a few bumps in the road. Raimi had never helmed a production of that size before (the budget was reported to be around $140 million, much larger than any of Raimi's previous efforts), and at times you can see he's still getting his footing. Dafoe is great as Norman Osborn, but comes off as silly when playing The Green Goblin. This is made even worse by a poorly designed costume that looks no better now than it did then.

The effects are also woefully substandard, even for the time (this was the same year as The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers and Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones) and look even worse today. But Raimi is able to overcome these problems by getting the attitude of the story right. Peter Parker is a normal kid with normal problems who also happens to be a superhero. The film balances several disparate tones and elements and does it rather well, so we can forgive a few missteps along the way. 4 Stars.

Spider-Man 2:
Spider-Man 2 finds Peter Parker struggling to give equal attention to his personal life as he does his public life. As the film opens, he's lamenting his decision to forgo a relationship with Mary-Jane in order to continue his activities as Spider-Man. That alone is bad enough, but he also loses his job and is on his way to being flunked out of college. To make matters worse, his Aunt May (Rosemary Harris), unable to land a job, is in danger of losing the home her husband, Peter's deceased uncle, built. His best friend, Harry (James Franco), blames Spider-Man for the death of his father (Norman Osborn, aka The Green Goblin), not knowing that Spidey and Peter are one in the same. Harry, having inherited his father's fortune, is funding a scientist, Dr. Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina), who may have the secret to fusion-based energy. At the first public demonstration, Octavius, outfitted with four tentacles for manipulating the fusion reaction, pushes the machine too far, resulting in the death of his wife and the permanent fusing of the tentacles to his spinal column and nervous system. He wakes up from the tragedy in a rage and determines to finish his work, by hook or by crook. Peter finds his life dipping even lower when his powers start to fail at the worst possible times. Now, with a genuine threat to the city on his hands, Peter has to decide if he can continue going on as Spider-Man.

Spider-Man 2 is where all the pieces come together. Every aspect of the story is given equal weight and measure. Peter's human interactions are as emotionally involving as Spider-Man's gravity-defying fights are adrenaline pumping. Raimi proves he's the right man for the job, directing the piece with assurance and flair. Alfred Molina is a wonderful addition to the cast as Doctor Octopus, and J.K. Simmons once again steals the show as The Daily Bugle's cynical editor-in-chief, J. Jonah Jameson.

There's a good amount of humor in the picture, with in-jokes referencing the comics, Raimi's past films (a brilliant Evil Dead II homage finds its way into Doc Ock's escape from the hospital, and Bruce Campbell has a much more pronounced and hilarious cameo this time around), and even a few real life events (a scene where Peter falls from a great height and complains about back pain is a little jab at Maguire, who himself complained that he didn't want to do the second because of his own back pain). But the drama is equally important, and Peter's relationships with Mary-Jane, Aunt May, and Harry Osborn are all handled with intelligence and class.

In fact, one of the best things about Spider-Man 2 is how organically events unfold due to the internal motivations of the characters. The conflicts and interactions all make sense, both emotionally and intellectually. And the cast is at an all-time high. Maguire handles the humor, the drama, and the action with equal aplomb. Kirsten Dunst is, well, not awful, and James Franco has fun playing a man obsessed. Even better, the effects took a quantum leap forward, selling the story instead of detracting from it. Spider-Man 2 accomplishes what every sequel should strive for: Take all the best elements of the last picture, make them all bigger, and add more on top, all without ever sacrificing quality. The undisputed highlight of the trilogy. 4.5 Stars

Spider-Man 2.1:
Essentially a marketing gimmick to tie in with Spider-Man 3, 2.1 is a slightly modified cut of 2 (notice it's not called a Director's Cut). In general, the changes do not improve the film, and in fact often hurt the pacing. For example, there's a completely unnecessary scene where a friend of Mary-Jane berates her for getting engaged too soon. It's redundant, because we understand MJ's feelings in the later scene where she asks to kiss John upside down and doesn't get the same thrill as when she kissed Spider-Man.

Not all of it is bad. There's an alternate take of the Hal Sparks elevator ride that had me in stitches, and a few of the fights have been extended to great effect. Still, 2 is the definitive cut of the film, and 2.1 will mostly be remembered as a cash-in on Sony's part. 4 Stars.

Spider-Man 3:
Following the events of Spider-Man 2, Peter Parker discovers how good life can be. Spider-Man has become a beloved protector of New York, he's doing well in school, and his relationship with Mary-Jane has never been stronger. In sharp contrast to the last film, Peter actually makes it to the opening night of Mary-Jane's new musical. Of course, things can't stay good forever, and this time trouble comes in the form of Flint Marko (Thomas Haden Church), a small time crook who, through a freak accident, is able to dissipate into and control sand. Peter and Aunt May are told that Marko is the real killer of Uncle Ben, provoking Peter's rage. This is fueled by a mysterious alien symbiote that appears to Peter in the form of a black Spider-Man suit. The suit gives him all new powers and strength untold, but it fills him with hate and this spills into other parts of his life, souring his bond with Mary-Jane. But Mary-Jane does have someone to turn to: Harry Osborn, who has taken the serum that turned his father into The Green Goblin. Harry uses Mary-Jane to emotionally torture Peter, who he now knows is Spider-Man. Finally Parker hits rock bottom and ditches the symbiote, which attaches itself to disgraced photographer Eddie Brock (Topher Grace), morphing him into Spider-Man's deadliest foe yet - Venom.

Comic books have a peculiar curse attached to them. Long running stories that revolve around the same central character in a medium that demands stringent adherence to continuity leads to a lot of tortured logic and outlandish storylines that, in my mind, represent the worst that comics have to offer. When the hero is fighting space aliens who have resurrected long dead characters from earlier issues and have also created a mutated clone of the protagonist, it's just silly. Spider-Man 3 doesn't quite reach those depths of desperation, it certainly seems to take its inspiration from the more outlandish aspects of Spider-Man's long history.

Spider-Man 2 worked so well because the story unfolded as a result of the character's motivations, the groundwork of which had been laid down in the first film. Spider-Man 3 was intended to be the resolution of the storylines that began back in the first picture, but a monkey wrench was thrown into the works in the form of Venom. Sam Raimi wrote a draft of the script where the main conflict was between Peter and Harry, with the Sandman being the wild card villain. The film's producers, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, responding to fan requests, pushed Sam to include Venom. Sam had long been adamant about not using Venom, but with $300 million riding on the film, even he had to acquiesce. Venom's backstory was complicated, requiring an alien symbiote that gets attached to Spidey, and subsequently rejected by him. It also requires the symbiote's second host, Eddie Brock, who had to be introduced and spurned by Peter Parker.

As a result, Spider-Man 3 is overlong, crowded, and awkward. The opening of the film seems to be a natural extension of the last, but Harry is quickly written out and doesn't appear again until very close to the end of the second act. Instead, we're given shallow versions of Flint Marko and Eddie Brock, and a series of plot contrivances that often changed the basic nature of the characters, or otherwise just make no sense (how is it that Mary-Jane, who previously had fantastic success as both a model and an actress, suddenly can only find a job as a waitress after receiving a single bad review on her latest musical?). Gone is the organic flow of 2. Even worse, the script actually retreads many of the same issues that had been tied up in the last two, making the movie feel like a bad remake of its own predecessors.

But even a failed Sam Raimi film isn't a bad movie. The action sequences are on par with anything in the series, kinetic and exciting. The birth of Sandman is a balletic and touching moment that reminds us of the power filmmaking holds. The humor is even more apparent in this one, with Bruce Campbell giving his most expanded and gut-busting cameo yet. James Franco also plays Harry Osborn with relish, going completely over the top and actually stealing the spotlight right out from under Maguire's nose. Also, Chris Young's score is a nice departure from Danny Elfman's work in the other two.

Spider-Man 3 is the kind of film that demands you shut down your brain. If you start thinking about it for even a second, you'll find enough that almost every scene has something worth picking apart. I actually have to hold myself back from adding in even more examples of the problems that plague the picture (don't even get me started on the 11th hour introduction of Bernard, Harry's butler). But at the same time, it's hard to dismiss the movie entirely. There's something about it, perhaps familiarity with the characters, or the strength of the action, that brings the audience back. It's the weakest of the trilogy, but still a fun superhero flick. 3 Stars.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/31070/spider-man-the-high-definition-trilogy/

Sorry LF, but in terms of what Joker said, he's right. Peter Parker's life has always been a drama.

I disagree with the big J on our opinion of SM2 as a movie, but (as I said in my previous post) the reason I dislike Spider-man 2 was because of the large liberties Raimi took in portraying the main characters in the movies. It's not the drama that Raimi get's wrong, that element of Spider-man he understands very well.

Cheers for the support, Infinity. Always can rely on you :up:
 
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Ugh....I didn't personally say it, although I do agree with it. I said it is hailed as that by the general consensus of movie fans. One of the reasons why SM-2 got the Academy Award for the special fx in it.

You make a thread about great movie fight sequences, and I guarantee the train fight will be one of the most frequently mentioned. Guaranteed.

A couple of random examples: http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/feature/top-50-movie-fight-scenes.php?page=5

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/fightscenes/50-26.html



Are they?

Gwen as a bookish nerd. Brock as a childhood friend to Peter, and lab assistant to Curt Conners. Kraven as a mutant tiger man. Montana, one of the Enforcers, as Shocker. Sandman and Rhino were pals before they became villains. Ock and Vulture were both Oscorp employees. The Oscorp super villain making programme etc.

There's lots of discrepencies from the comics. But most of them are acceptable. But no way is it 100% faithful to the comics. No on screen adaption of a comic book character is. Especially one based on a character that has over 50 years of comic book history.



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I think you mistake me for someone who cares which Spidey movies you like or dislike. You just stated your opinion. Nothing I say will change it, not that I would even try to change anyone's opinion.

The only reason I responded to Lightningflash's post is because, as always, he makes a bunch of claims about Spidey that are simply untrue. Why? Because he's never read the comics. His lack of knowledge on the character bursts thru in all of his posts.

He's quite infamous for it around here. He's often asked why he even cares about the franchise, when he doesn't read the comics, and hates the bulk of the movies. Just read his signature.

Yet he posts constantly in here about a franchise he dislikes.
Then ignore him. I made my post (mainly) based off of your reply. I felt like writing it. If you don't like it, fine. I wrote it because I wrote it. I always do that. This is a message board. It's like a conversation, it would lead you into talking about different things. I try to write what I would speak because maybe some would find interest in it. Simple as that. If 'LightningFlash' is going to continue to troll around threads. Report him if he's bothering you. And, ignore him. Simple, right?
 
Then ignore him. I made my post (mainly) based off of your reply. I felt like writing it. If you don't like it, fine. I wrote it because I wrote it. I always do that. This is a message board. It's like a conversation, it would lead you into talking about different things. I try to write what I would speak because maybe some would find interest in it. Simple as that. If 'LightningFlash' is going to continue to troll around threads. Report him if he's bothering you. And, ignore him. Simple, right?

Why should I ignore him? He doesn't bother me personally [though I can't speak for everyone else]. He's just a name on my computer screen talking about comic book characters.

The only reason someone should report him is if he breaks the rules. And he has not done that from what I've seen. If we reported everyone that annoyed us because of their opinions, half the forum would be banned.
 
Why should I ignore him? He doesn't bother me personally [though I can't speak for everyone else]. He's just a name on my computer screen talking about comic book characters.

The only reason someone should report him is if he breaks the rules. And he has not done that from what I've seen. If we reported everyone that annoyed us because of their opinions, half the forum would be banned.
Yeah, but... isn't that called "trolling" on his part? :huh:
 
Yeah, but... isn't that called "trolling" on his part? :huh:

It depends. If we were talking about serious issues like rape, or murder etc, and he was some kind of supporter for them, or being insensitive about them, then yes, he's be trolling. Or if he was going into fan threads, and being negative, that would be trolling, too.

But this forum is an open forum for both positive and negative opinions. If LightningFlash wants to express his distaste with the franchise, then that's his right.
 
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It depends. If we were talking about serious issues like rape, or murder etc, and he was some kind of supporter for them, or being insensitive about them, then yes, he's be trolling. Or if he was going into fan threads, and being negative, that would be trolling, too.

But this forum is an open forum for both positive and negative opinions. If LightningFlash wants to express his distaste with the franchise, then that's his right.
Alright. Never really understood the term all that well. So, thank you for clarifying that for me.
 
The only reason someone should report him is if he breaks the rules. And he has not done that from what I've seen. If we reported everyone that annoyed us because of their opinions, half the forum would be banned.
Coming into threads and bashing people for being fan of these movies or bashing the movies in general is considered trolling, right?
 
anyways getting back to the topic....

so what do you guys think???

Michael Papajohn as Maxwell Dillon or Cletus Cassidy?
 
anyways getting back to the topic....

so what do you guys think???

Michael Papajohn as Maxwell Dillon or Cletus Cassidy?
Whichever ones cheaper.

I'm just kidding. I would say right now that I really could care less about which villain he portrays (if any). I, for one, just want to see a good 'Spider-Man' movie. If this is the last 'Spider-Man' film that we get from Raimi, I'm hoping that it's just a good one. And, that's all I could ever hope for.
 
So what if it's hailed? Because it's more like a drama than a comic-book film? You get thirty minutes of Doc Ock and ninety minutes of Peter acting like a *****. Yah...that's why it was a great movie. And plus, Otto was a sympathetic villain which was very unnecessary, or at least, the beginning of Ock being friendly to Peter was okay, but then having him go back to being "good" at the end is pretty dumb...what if Molina were to return, what would be the great excuse for him? He comes out of the ocean and declares that he's evil AFTER controlling his tentacles? Making it go through the same-old story of the tentacles controlling him once more?

I say Raimi messed up the films because he doesn't show the smartass of Spider-Man, he doesn't show how MJ is NOT annoying, and he makes all the villains, except for Norman, sympathetic. Maybe aside for Venom, but Venom was idiotically pure evil.



And that doesn't mean a thing. Movies such as Milk wins awards as well, where movies like JCVD, win nothing.

JCVD, although visually flashy, is nothing more than Jean Claude giving himself a handsky.

We're suddenly supposed to appreciate him because even though he made all these mistakes in his life and career, he's been grateful for all of it?
 
Why should I ignore him? He doesn't bother me personally [though I can't speak for everyone else]. He's just a name on my computer screen talking about comic book characters.

The only reason someone should report him is if he breaks the rules. And he has not done that from what I've seen. If we reported everyone that annoyed us because of their opinions, half the forum would be banned.

well put
 
Everyone needs to stop fighting with Lightning, because all he sees is what he wants and you can't rhyme or reason with him. It's pointless, all he wants to do is troll and bash. Leave him alone and let him wallow in his little world.
 
While I do not agree with a lot of LF's opinions, I DEFINITELY do not consider him a troll. And any who do consider him to be a troll simply cause he has negative opinions, (OPINIONS MIND YOU), is simply being ignorant.

As far as banning someone for having negative opinions, perhaps we should change the rules to require posters to first don the Sam Raimi/Spider-Man cheerleader outifts at the door. Pom Pom's included. :whatever:

What a sorry place this would be if that came to be.

When choosing sides, there should be NO choosing. Everyone should be allowed to express their opinions.

But if I had to choose between what some incorrectly classify as "trolls" vs. the Pom Pom waivers.... I'll take the so-called trolls thank you very much.

At least they make you think, instead of reading the Kewl.. or Spidey Rawks... or "I second that :up: " BS.
 
who the heck really wants this guy playing a villain...i think itd be a disaster
 
who the heck really wants this guy playing a villain...i think itd be a disaster
I think it's very sad that people can't let go of some actors which have been in these 3 Spider-Man Movies, but whatever...

No need to F him up, he was Ben Parker's killer, nothing more.
 

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