Luke Cage Canceled!

[AResistor]

Could also be Netflix is ending their contract for competing market reasons.

Except for the fact that Netflix was ALREADY competing with a vast superhero television market including Gotham, CW TV universe, The Gifted, and more. Disney streaming would have added slightly more competition- but Netflix was already facing a lot of it.

So while it may partly be due to competition, it would be competition overall rather than Disney streaming.

A stronger case could be made that live action superhero shows overall aren’t bringing in the ratings they used to, thus they’re being cancelled or tightened all over the place and with various companies. Point in case, Gotham’s short season rather than outright cancellation. Gotham was, basically, cancelled in the same year as Luke Cage and Iron Fist so the shift isn’t only happening at Netflix.

 

[Hypestyle]

Horrible news. I wanted at least 3 more seasons.

Follow-up: I want Luke to show up in the movies. He can be introduced in the epilogue to the Black Panther sequel. TChalla can pay a visit to Harlem's Paradise and introduce himself with the intent of building the Wakandan consulate there.

 

[kguillou]

I honeatly think theres too many of these shows anyway they should be streamlining and condensing everything anyway. I think its already happening, LC and Iron Fist are done, Gotham is done after this season, Agents of Shield is all but confirmed to be done after this season, Walking Dead is ending. If i had to guess JJ will be done after season 3 and maybe Punisher too ( i know people like that show but honestly it kind of just came and went without much buzz). I think a year from now Daredevil will be the only one left standing on Netflix and that may not be a bad thing. Clear up some space and try something new.

DD aint going anywhere, its only been 2 days and season 3's been BUZZING. You can tell Netflix loves that show by how they promoted this new season as opposed to the others.

 

[Dasher10]

This is horrible. Hopefully we'll get a Heroes For Hire revival to continue these plot threads elsewhere.

 

[rashad]

 

[writer0327]

Honestly after Defenders was sorta just so-so, the writing was on the wall. IFS2 was good in parts. I didn't even watch JJS2. I did like parts of LCS2 but it was a slog to get through. DDS3 is great so far. I think JJ is the next to go.

 

[Marvolo]

Luke Cage and IF deserve to fight alongside the Avengers.

Not in their current form. They're way too pedestrian in their Netflix versions. If the MCU ever does bring them into the MCU it should be a total reboot of those characters. Tho if they wanted to keep the actor of Luke Cage and just ignore the tv show entirely I'd be ok with that. For the love of god tho recast Iron Fist.

 

[2kt09]

Not in their current form. They're way too pedestrian in their Netflix versions. If the MCU ever does bring them into the MCU it should be a total reboot of those characters. Tho if they wanted to keep the actor of Luke Cage and just ignore the tv show entirely I'd be ok with that. For the love of god tho recast Iron Fist.

The 'pedestrian' aspect of the street heroes is what made their crossing with the Avengers worthwhile, at least it did in EMH.

 

[kguillou]

Thing is, even IF they do a Heroes for Hire show and merge the two, i wouldnt envy the writers who have to find a way to use the plot threads the two shows ended on and find a way to make them correlate with each other. Both shows kind of ended in ways that set up their own separate storylines for respecrive season 3's.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Not in their current form. They're way too pedestrian in their Netflix versions. If the MCU ever does bring them into the MCU it should be a total reboot of those characters. Tho if they wanted to keep the actor of Luke Cage and just ignore the tv show entirely I'd be ok with that. For the love of god tho recast Iron Fist.

I'm personally of the opinion that Cage and Iron Fist work better as street level heroes. I don't want the characters rebooted, and I also don't want them to be in the Avengers. We have so many more fitting characters to use in the Avengers, we can leave these guys where they work best as characters.

I also see no reason to reboot the characters. You want to recast Iron Fist or something, whatever. But I don't want to see stories that rehash things I already saw or contradict the shows that work. If Daredevil is worth keeping, then LC/IF have to be kept too. Otherwise you're confusing the audience. Also, how greatly different will their origins be if the characters are rebooted? Both Luke and Danny's origins are fairly accurate and any version of their story will just mirror what we saw to some extent. Why rehash the same few plot points, when we can just move the characters forward and retool them as needed? Retool, don't reboot.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm personally of the opinion that Cage and Iron Fist work better as street level heroes. I don't want the characters rebooted, and I also don't want them to be in the Avengers. We have so many more fitting characters to use in the Avengers, we can leave these guys where they work best as characters.

I also see no reason to reboot the characters. You want to recast Iron Fist or something, whatever. But I don't want to see stories that rehash things I already saw or contradict the shows that work. If Daredevil is worth keeping, then LC/IF have to be kept too. Otherwise you're confusing the audience. Also, how greatly different will their origins be if the characters are rebooted? Both Luke and Danny's origins are fairly accurate and any version of their story will just mirror what we saw to some extent. Why rehash the same few plot points, when we can just move the characters forward and retool them as needed? Retool, don't reboot.

Reboot the way Spiderman was rebooted. Just because something is rebooted doesnt mean the origin needs to be shown or explored. No need to explore Luke Cage and IF's origins in detail. Introduce them already established and ready to do what they do best and explore new characterizations and plot lines going forward.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Reboot the way Spiderman was rebooted. Just because something is rebooted doesnt mean the origin needs to be shown or explored. No need to explore Luke Cage and IF's origins in detail. Introduce them already established and ready to do what they do best and explore new characterizations and plot lines going forward.

At that point, why reboot them at all? You can just use their existing shows as their journey so far. Or you can just retool the shows a bit and put them on Hulu or something. I don't think anything is gained in a "reboot" of the characters. At worst, I would say recast them and keep the shows as backstory like Ruffalo. But again, I would just combine the 2 shows and migrate them to Hulu.

 

[Marvolo]

At that point, why reboot them at all? You can just use their existing shows as their journey so far. Or you can just retool the shows a bit and put them on Hulu or something. I don't think anything is gained in a "reboot" of the characters. At worst, I would say recast them and keep the shows as backstory like Ruffalo. But again, I would just combine the 2 shows and migrate them to Hulu.

Cause their existing shows range from garbage to passable and I wouldnt want that to be the base for any character in the MCU. Too much is done in those shows from the story decisions to character choices to accommodate a smaller scale tv budget. It's all been very pedestrian. Those characters need a fresh cinematic version of the characters not weighed down by the BS thats been done in their Netflix shows.

I dont think the MCU writers and directors should be shackled by anything done in the Netflix shows. They shouldnt have to for example use the Netflix version of Misty or that lame Diamondback. They should be able to use Cottonmouth if they want to in their own way. Rather than having to stick to

Spoiler

his lame death in the Netflix show.

They should be able to entirely ignore all of Netflix's IF from start to finish.

And nothing about the characters in the Netflix shows makes me think they are qualified for or even care about anything beyond their own small bubble. If aliens coming out of a wormhole and destroying New York wasnt enough to get their asses off the bench and to run to Avenger's tower for a job application nothing will. I dont think these versions of the characters would suddenly start running around with the Avengers facing threats like Thanos or even Ultron.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Cause their existing shows range from garbage to passable and I wouldnt want that to be the base for any character in the MCU. Too much is done in those shows from the story decisions to character choices to accommodate a smaller scale tv budget. It's all been very pedestrian. Those characters need a fresh cinematic version of the characters not weighed down by the BS thats been done in their Netflix shows.

I dont think the MCU writers and directors should be shackled by anything done in the Netflix shows. They shouldnt have to for example use the Netflix version of Misty or that lame Diamondback. They should be able to use Cottonmouth if they want to in their own way. Rather than having to stick to

Spoiler

his lame death in the Netflix show.

They should be able to entirely ignore all of Netflix's IF from start to finish.

And nothing about the characters in the Netflix shows makes me think they are qualified for or even care about anything beyond their own small bubble. If aliens coming out of a wormhole and destroying New York wasnt enough to get their asses off the bench and to run to Avenger's tower for a job application nothing will. I dont think these versions of the characters would suddenly start running around with the Avengers facing threats like Thanos or even Ultron.

Not every hero needs to be on the bench to fight threats like Thanos. Why is it an issue to have smaller time superheroes? Does every hero in the MCU need to be an Avenger? This is a notion people bring up I just don't get. Superheroes have tiers. Some guys are confined to defending a city, others the world, and others the cosmos. The playground is different for everyone and Marvel has always been that way. Having characters relegated to the streets of New York fighting the smaller time criminals is perfectly fine. It makes being an Avengers less valuable if everyone is an Avenger.

As for your other points about ignoring the "garbage" I again ask, what will be different? Luke's origin will still likely be he was experimented on in prison, Danny punched a dragon, etc. So if it's basically going to be the same origin, what is the point of rebooting? Is Cottonmouth or Bushmaster such major characters that we need to just ignore the shows so we can see them again? Doesn't Marvel have 1000s of villains they can sub in their place? Let's be real, they're beyond C-level villains. They're like D-list. It's not like they botched Galactus or Doctor Doom or something. In fact, the 2 highest profile villains they have used, Kingpin and Purple Man, they NAILED in the Netflix verse. Better than anything we'd get in a movie honestly.

I am still seeing no benefit here.

 

[eon001]

Yeah, Defenders was a disappointment overall. The Hand SUCK as villains and not even Sigourney Weaver could make them interesting. And that stupid plot with the dinosaur bones under New York was hilariously bad. I seriously can’t believe THAT is what they went for with their big, sinister villain plot.

lol yea WTF was that about? Making Iron Fist a focal point for the villain and not just a member of the team was a crappy idea too. They should have made Elektra and the Hand the main villains for that Defenders. The bait and switch was pointless and Sigourney was wasted.

I think they filmed Iron Fist and Defenders back to back assuming that Iron Fist was going to be an amazing hit. The arrogance (and harsh deadlines) made them force out 2 awful products.

 

[samsnee]

The rumor is Netflix wasn’t happy with the scripts for season 3 which is why they cancelled. I wonder if it’s because by season 3, everything should be taking place post Snapture and that maybe the shows didn’t address it to Netflix liking?

 

[LightDaggers]

This blows. Why'd they cancel it?

 

[eon001]

Cause their existing shows range from garbage to passable and I wouldnt want that to be the base for any character in the MCU. Too much is done in those shows from the story decisions to character choices to accommodate a smaller scale tv budget. It's all been very pedestrian. Those characters need a fresh cinematic version of the characters not weighed down by the BS thats been done in their Netflix shows.

I dont think the MCU writers and directors should be shackled by anything done in the Netflix shows. They shouldnt have to for example use the Netflix version of Misty or that lame Diamondback. They should be able to use Cottonmouth if they want to in their own way. Rather than having to stick to

Spoiler

his lame death in the Netflix show.

They should be able to entirely ignore all of Netflix's IF from start to finish.

And nothing about the characters in the Netflix shows makes me think they are qualified for or even care about anything beyond their own small bubble. If aliens coming out of a wormhole and destroying New York wasnt enough to get their asses off the bench and to run to Avenger's tower for a job application nothing will. I dont think these versions of the characters would suddenly start running around with the Avengers facing threats like Thanos or even Ultron.

I'm not against using the same characters and continuity, but I'm more into the reboot idea tbh. I'll take it a step further and say they should announce that the tv shows take place in there own separate universe apart from the MCU (Also Agents of Shield, Runaways etc).

Very easy to explain the similar events were just parallel incidents.

 

[eon001]

The rumor is Netflix wasn’t happy with the scripts for season 3 which is why they cancelled. I wonder if it’s because by season 3, everything should be taking place post Snapture and that maybe the shows didn’t address it to Netflix liking?

I doubt that. If anything Netflix probably would not want any snapture reference's because it would mess up the continuity of the story telling if half the cast disappeared. And personally I would absolutely hate that too.

 

[jerkhero]

I doubt Disney wants to use Netflix continuity at all in movies just because how violent etc. these shows are.

 

[zenith16]

I doubt Disney wants to use Netflix continuity at all in movies just because how violent etc. these shows are.

it's best to wait and let them answer them selves. that can easily mean darker rated series. Bob Igor said they are looking into doing other genres in the Movie MCU and truth be told marvel has Automy with their own created thing. Disney is fine with them as long as they are getting good results.

This some for them to Reconsdier if another of their series on net flix get's cancelled though.

 

[dmcreif]

One could say that things now at Netflix are much different than they were five years ago when the contract was first signed for these shows. When they first greenlit these shows, Netflix was only just starting their streaming stuff and needed the material to expand their library and bring in subscribers. There's been a lot of recent fat trimming by Netflix. Not just with the Marvel shows. Orange is the New Black is on the way out. House of Cards is on its last season (and to the best of my knowledge, that would still have been the case even without Kevin Spacey's sexual misconduct allegations)...

 

[fire117]

First they cancel Iron Fist, now Luke Cage what the hell is Netflix up to?

I hope they don't end up having a Heroes For Hire show happen.

As I'd much prefer that Iron Fist and Luke Cage continue on after this decision to cancel both shows is reversed with whoever made this decision from Netflix being fired!

 

[2kt09]

One could say that things now at Netflix are much different than they were five years ago when the contract was first signed for these shows. When they first greenlit these shows, Netflix was only just starting their streaming stuff and needed the material to expand their library and bring in subscribers. There's been a lot of recent fat trimming by Netflix. Not just with the Marvel shows. Orange is the New Black is on the way out. House of Cards is on its last season (and to the best of my knowledge, that would still have been the case even without Kevin Spacey's sexual misconduct allegations)...

This is still their current library of content in conjunction with a few shows they've revived & acquired.

 

[LightDaggers]

That's too bad we lost the show.