First Avenger Cap's Power Level

[Infinity9999x]

I agree.
He may flip a jeep or humvee or something, and he collapses with exhaustion after it is over, or something.
Or something.

I wouldn't mind something like that. And again, the reason I would really like this kind of thing is because they would show Cap really straining to do this. (However, if you're going to show him injuring himself while lifting something, I would make it a very heavy item. We saw that man lift a 2,000 pound helicopter himself and not suffer hospital sustaining injury. So, with Cap's abilities, I would show him lifting something around double that weight. Just lifting it up, no throwing of course.)

 

[Timstuff]

I don't think that Cap should throw cars. I think it would be cool if he threw a car, during the climax when his adrenaline is pretty much maxed out and the situation is desperate enough to call for it. And it's not like he'd be throwing it 20 feet, either. He'd pretty much have the strength to lift up the car and then toss it a few yards (far enough for the fender to clear his head), but it would be a very physically strenuous act, and visibly it would look like one he'd want to avoid repeating.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

i dont want to see him throw a car i wanna see him maybe turn one over on its side and use it for cover, or to get someonefrom under it.

 

[Turtles]

Really, the biggest reason I wanted him to be a little more beefed up is the Hulk issue. If Hulk is going to be in the Avengers movie as a villain for any amount of time, I want my Cap to at least be able to handle a hit from the big green guy without being put out of commission. However, don't take that as me saying I want Cap to be able to take hits from Hulk and jump right back up like it's nothing. Because Cap shouldn't be able to take more then a hit or two, but I think it would make it more interesting if Cap could handle a bit of abuse. It should be Cap dancing around Hulk most of the time, but I wouldn't mind it if Hulk got in one good shot, and Cap isn't turned into mush.

Hmmm, mush factor......well, I'm afraid you're kinda out of luck when it comes to that, because even the mighty Thor has been known to get a bit mushy after one good hit from the Hulk. Of course Thor is a god, so he can bounce right back, but Cap? Not so bouncy. It all depends on the type of hit he takes, though. If Hulk hits Cap dead-on with all his strength, then Cap is going down pretty quick, but if he just grazes Cap, or tosses him aside with a swipe of his hand, then Cap would probably get back up pretty quick and continue the fight, given that Cap knows all about the importance of relaxing his body to absorb the impact of falls, etc., and he knows all sorts of martial arts blocking moves, and ways to come back and counter attack.

But even with a strength boost, Cap would still get creamed by the Hulk because a boost in strength isn't necessarily a boost in durability--the ability to lift 2 tons isn't going to keep him from getting a concussion and blacking out, you know? Cap's only chance of surviving a battle with the Hulk will be to run around like a (graceful) chicken with his head cut off and try to get in a punch or a kick in whenever he can--a lot like what Blonsky did in TIH.

You shoudn't worry too much, though. I don't think Marvel will be stupid enough to have Cap get taken out with one hit like Blonsky. And the guys at Marvel probably only made Blonsky get taken out with one hit because they had to give him a reason to really want to get a power boost so he could become the Abomination--and what better reason can there be to get a power boost than getting taken out with one kick?

And, a final note on the car throwing vs. lifting debate......maybe we can have Cap throw a dirt bike and split the difference.

 

[not_a_victim]

Hmmm, mush factor......well, I'm afraid you're kinda out of luck when it comes to that, because even the mighty Thor has been known to get a bit mushy after one good hit from the Hulk. Of course Thor is a god, so he can bounce right back, but Cap? Not so bouncy. It all depends on the type of hit he takes, though. If Hulk hits Cap dead-on with all his strength, then Cap is going down pretty quick, but if he just grazes Cap, or tosses him aside with a swipe of his hand, then Cap would probably get back up pretty quick and continue the fight, given that Cap knows all about the importance of relaxing his body to absorb the impact of falls, etc., and he knows all sorts of martial arts blocking moves, and ways to come back and counter attack.

But even with a strength boost, Cap would still get creamed by the Hulk because a boost in strength isn't necessarily a boost in durability--the ability to lift 2 tons isn't going to keep him from getting a concussion and blacking out, you know? Cap's only chance of surviving a battle with the Hulk will be to run around like a (graceful) chicken with his head cut off and try to get in a punch or a kick in whenever he can--a lot like what Blonsky did in TIH.

You shoudn't worry too much, though. I don't think Marvel will be stupid enough to have Cap get taken out with one hit like Blonsky. And the guys at Marvel probably only made Blonsky get taken out with one hit because they had to give him a reason to really want to get a power boost so he could become the Abomination--and what better reason can there be to get a power boost than getting taken out with one kick?

And, a final note on the car throwing vs. lifting debate......maybe we can have Cap throw a dirt bike and split the difference.

Ok, but nothing over 125 cc. Let's not get crazy here.

 

[jab1118]

Hmmm, mush factor......well, I'm afraid you're kinda out of luck when it comes to that, because even the mighty Thor has been known to get a bit mushy after one good hit from the Hulk. Of course Thor is a god, so he can bounce right back, but Cap? Not so bouncy. It all depends on the type of hit he takes, though. If Hulk hits Cap dead-on with all his strength, then Cap is going down pretty quick, but if he just grazes Cap, or tosses him aside with a swipe of his hand, then Cap would probably get back up pretty quick and continue the fight, given that Cap knows all about the importance of relaxing his body to absorb the impact of falls, etc., and he knows all sorts of martial arts blocking moves, and ways to come back and counter attack.

But even with a strength boost, Cap would still get creamed by the Hulk because a boost in strength isn't necessarily a boost in durability--the ability to lift 2 tons isn't going to keep him from getting a concussion and blacking out, you know? Cap's only chance of surviving a battle with the Hulk will be to run around like a (graceful) chicken with his head cut off and try to get in a punch or a kick in whenever he can--a lot like what Blonsky did in TIH.

You shoudn't worry too much, though. I don't think Marvel will be stupid enough to have Cap get taken out with one hit like Blonsky. And the guys at Marvel probably only made Blonsky get taken out with one hit because they had to give him a reason to really want to get a power boost so he could become the Abomination--and what better reason can there be to get a power boost than getting taken out with one kick?

This is why Cap has a shock absobing indestructable shield. He can take most of hulks hits with the shield. But still taking damge do to the amount of force Hulk hits with. Thats a good way of keeping him from being mush

 

[Bren]

This is why Cap has a shock absobing indestructable shield. He can take most of hulks hits with the shield. But still taking damge do to the amount of force Hulk hits with. Thats a good way of keeping him from being mush

What about his arm holding the shield? The Hulk can punch a hole through a wall with little effort. What's his arm going to do? What'll happen is whatever's behind the shield is going to get splattered by the shield instead of Hulk's fist. I'm being a touch pendantic for a comic film, but CA should not be able to survive (or at least remain concious) from a direct hit from the Hulk.

Unless of course, the movie Hulk has been dumbed down (acceptable)... OR CA suped up (I don't want).

 

[Timstuff]

And, a final note on the car throwing vs. lifting debate......maybe we can have Cap throw a dirt bike and split the difference.

Seeing as a dirt bike only weighs about 200 LBS I don't think that's really going to satasfy anyone.

 

[Infinity9999x]

We'll just make it a real big dirt bike : )

Really though, it's one of those things I'm not too hung up on. Again, if Cap does in some way shape or form remove a car from the ground, I won't mind as long as
A.) It's obvious it took an immense amount of strain
B.) It was only done because it was a desperate situation and it was a last resort
C.) It's given the proper amount of awe
D.) It only happens once

However, I won't mind if he doesn't either. And Turtles,
I agree about the Hulk thing. I think if Cap get's hit with a few "brushed by" shots, that wouldn't be too bad. Or maybe if they do something like in the Ultimates, where Hulk is just grabs him, but gets distracted by the other members of the group and throws Cap away (so he never landed a square hit on him.)

 

[Bren]

Seeing as a dirt bike only weighs about 200 LBS I don't think that's really going to satasfy anyone.

Fine then, make it a Honda Goldwing (770lbs) and he brings down a fighter jet with it!!!

 

[Webhead2006]

should be interesting to see if cap and hulk do have a throw down in avengers.

 

[afan]

Any one ever hear of rolling with the punch. Captain America is NOT gonna let the Hulk get a direct hit. He is the ultimate master of all combat strategy including self "defense".
Cap could never subdue the Hulk, but he most definitely could keep him occupied.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Exactly. Cap shouldn't actually try to take him on, just run rings around him like Blonsky did at the school in TIH.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Any one ever hear of rolling with the punch. Captain America is NOT gonna let the Hulk get a direct hit. He is the ultimate master of all combat staratgy including self "defense".
Cap could never subdue the Hulk, but he most definitely could keep him occupied.

Exactly. I'm personally hoping for a scene like in the Ultimates Vol. 1. That was pretty cool to watch.

 

[Turtles]

Seeing as a dirt bike only weighs about 200 LBS I don't think that's really going to satasfy anyone.

It will satisfy enough people.

Of course, it probably won't satisfy the die-hard comic book fans who read a lot about super strong heroes (Hulk, Sentry, Thing, Colossus, Thor, etc.), and who are so used to seeing those heroes toss ten ton objects around like baseballs that they've begun to believe any feat of strength that's not markedly super human is totally lame, but who cares? Those guys expect way too much, and if they don't see a scene in the movie where the hero demonstrates some great and awesome power, then they'll always complain that the movie and/or hero wasn't good enough.

And there's always going to be that guy who says: "Hey, isnt so and so supposed to be a super hero? Why isn't he throwing cars or flying? He's not a superhero--he's just a regular dude in a costume!" Those are the type of people you ignore, because many of them have annoying preconceived notions about what makes a superhero a superhero.

Basically, this is a Captain America movie, and Captain America isn't known for crazy-awesome super powers like some of the other heroes out there. So, if somebody wants to go see a movie about a super strong hero that is going to toss cars and trucks around like they weight nothing, or fly, or shoot lasers out of their eyes, then they better skip the Captain America movie all together and wait for the Thor or Avengers movies, or the next installment in the X-men series.

Any one ever hear of rolling with the punch. Captain America is NOT gonna let the Hulk get a direct hit. He is the ultimate master of all combat staratgy including self "defense".
Cap could never subdue the Hulk, but he most definitely could keep him occupied.

Nobody is saying that Cap's just going to sit there and let the Hulk smash him to bits. We're saying that, when the Hulk does land a direct hit, that Cap is going to have a hard time coping with it. And it's just stupid to say the Hulk will never get a direct hit on him, because Cap may be good, but he's not perfect, and he can't block or dodge everything that's throw at him.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Maybe that would be a good way to show Cap's not superhuman, but substantial strength.

Cap blocks a Hulk punch with his shield, but obviously it will still move him, but instead of send him flying it sorta sends him skidding back still upright.

 

[BoredGuy]

The hulk is a brute with no fighting skill whatsoever....

It is entirely plausible that Cap could dodge his every attack.

That's like saying that if Bruce Lee and Andre the Giant faught, Andre would eventually get a hit and knock Bruce out, it's just not true

 

[Rage]

Caps shield absorbs kinetic energy... so his arms don't feel the impact...it is spread out throughout the shield. That is why he has been able to absorb hits from Hulk or a round from a tank without breaking every bone in his body.

 

[Rich Santoro]

^ I was just gonna say that...

So Cap can dodge blows, deflect them off-center so that they do not have full force, and the shield can also absorb the impact force, so he feels little or nothing on his arm.

He can block a Hulk smash, a tank shell, a Kang energy blast etc...

 

[Sparky]

I think if Cap get's hit with a few "brushed by" shots, that wouldn't be too bad. Or maybe if they do something like in the Ultimates, where Hulk is just grabs him, but gets distracted by the other members of the group and throws Cap away (so he never landed a square hit on him.)

Actually the Hulk does hit Cap with a couple solid blows in the Ultimates. In the Ultimates 2 the Abomination smashes him with both fists and throws Cap through a wall and the Hulk clone in the most recent issue of Ultimate Avengers stomps him with a solid blow as well (putting his head into the pavement). Ultimate Cap is freakishly durable. He takes hits from super strong opponents, jumps out of planes and off skyscrapers and lands without injury, etc.

I wouldn't want movie Cap at that level though. Maybe something in between mainstream Cap and Ultimate Cap. Ultimate Cap has had some very cool fights that would translate well to the big screen.

 

[Rich Santoro]

For the film... I would like for Cap to be his classic "peak" human. This, along with some kick-ass freerunning would be the way that he avoids serious injury from falls, blasts, and other impacts. He would roll and twist to dimish the force of impact. This is not to mention that the shield would absorb kinetic energy, to protect him from some pretty serious attacks.

On the freerunning, there is a Youtube clip of Cyril doing a back flip off of a 2 or 3 story structure and just tuck-rolling out of it. The stuff that they can do with Cap should be over the top...

Add to this... I would like for the modern day uniform for Cap to be established as some new space age material (like the Mega-mesh from The Incredibles). It would be resitant to tears and damage, and would also be heavily layered around the joints to provide support and shock absorption. It would protect him from compression injuries, hyper-extensions, twists, sprains, and dislocations... like external tendons and ligaments.

So with the peak human skills, freerunning ability, chain-mail / scale-mail on his torso, reinforced joints on the uniform, and the shield... he should still be able to take on some serious threats and plausibly (in a movie sense of the word "plausible") be able to cope better than Blonsky did when the Hulk kicked him.

 

[Webhead2006]

that would work well.

 

[Sparky]

I would love to see free-running incorporated into Cap's movements.

 

[3dman27]

oddly enough that seemed to be caps specialty the way he's able to run and jump on rooftops

 

[Rich Santoro]

I hope that the use of free-running stunts and Cyril as Roth's stunt double in TIH is a foreshadowing of ideas that they may have for Cap (or at least an inspiration for what they do with Cap).