Civil War Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty - (Chris Evans) - Part 1

[Raiden]

I find stuff like this kind of embarrassing as a gay man.

Just because people enjoy a pairing in fanfiction doesn't make it canon, and taking a character who has never been remotely implied to be anything other than heterosexual in his 75 years of existence in both comics and films, and suddenly making him gay, is not only changing a long established character to meet some diversity quota, but I would also find it cheap pandering.

Furthermore, in the latest movie Steve has already displayed some intimacy with Sharon Carter, who is a woman. For fans (or trolls) to even start that campaign shows that they have a total disregard for the character already established in MCU; they just want to see their own fan fiction becoming a reality.

 

[Sevprince]

Which is exactly why Marvel wouldn't do it, that and all the hundreds of millions of Cap America toys they sell. There's no need to be upset over what will turn out to be trick plot.

They say this is for real. Marvel have lost their damn mind so has DC and they wonder why no one reads comics these days.

Spoiler

SPENCER: Issue 2 will lay a lot of our cards on the table in terms of what the new status quo is, but the one thing we can say unequivocally is: This is not a clone, not an imposter, not mind control, not someone else acting through Steve. This really is Steve Rogers, Captain America himself.

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[BoredGuy]

I'm 100% certain it's a bait and switch

Cap will be doing some undercover work or something like that, Jack Flag will actually be alive (grabbed by nu-falcon or something) and all will be back to normal by arc's end
and if I'm wrong, well hey, then I just won't ever buy superhero comics again

 

[scifiwolf]

Shipping on both sides of the orientation spectrum annoy the crap out of me. I feel like the need to sexualize genuine friendship between two people, be they of the same sex or not, is an attempt to pervert for personal fantasy rather more than explore character relationships from a new perspective. That's how we end up with fanfic crap like 50 Shades of Gray polluting the world with its existence, or why the CW takes such flak for pairing people off according to what the fans want.

Getting to the specific topic of Steve and Bucky, I don't mind if it's something that would be explored as an elseworlds sort of format in the comics. That's why we have those. Doing it as part of the MCU feels like it would negate the amazing unrequited-love aspect with Peggy. It's a foundation of who he fundamentally is in this version. There speaks to me a lack of understanding of that character-building on the part of the shippers. There's also a feeling of hypocrisy. It's been fundamentally important in society in recent years to shift away from trying to force personal beliefs of orientation on people who are not strictly heterosexual. Yeah, we're talking about fictional characters, but the forcing of personal notions of sexuality onto such established characters, especially the most core figures of modern social mythology, seems hypocritical to me. However, to try and point that out seems like it's doomed to be labeled as bigotry.

I've rewritten this post a few times, so I apologize if I'm not quite getting my point across clearly. To just put it shortly, I'm not opposed to taking these characters and exploring alternate lifestyles, but in the specific case of 'shipping' and MCU Steve, it would be bad storytelling.

 

[TalismanRing]

They say this is for real. Marvel have lost their damn mind so has DC and they wonder why no one reads comics these days.

Spoiler

SPENCER: Issue 2 will lay a lot of our cards on the table in terms of what the new status quo is, but the one thing we can say unequivocally is: This is not a clone, not an imposter, not mind control, not someone else acting through Steve. This really is Steve Rogers, Captain America himself.

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Marvel Comics has indeed lost their mind.

We just saw Steve Rogers almost die a couple of issues ago and have his entire life flash before his eyes. It makes absolutely no story sense as well as spitting on Steve Rogers and everything he's been for 75 years and is a punch in the face to the men who created him and everyone who's ever been a fan.

This re-imagining will not make me think less of the Steve Rogers I've always known and if this is some weird idea to cement Sam Wilson as Captain America and get people to stop asking for Steve Rogers back in the role they can forget it. It wont make me thinking differently of Steve Rogers because I won't read it, I'll just ignore it. I'll probably ignore everything from the comics period until they reveal it all never happened and not in the way they just pretend there was never a Superior Iron Man.

But I guess a lot of the people calling for comic book accuracy in the movies won't be calling for this bleep on their screen.

 

[BoredGuy]

like I said, wait for iiiiiiiiiit....

 

[TalismanRing]

like I said, wait for iiiiiiiiiit....

I can wait for it to be over but I'm not reading it. They can go bleep themselves if they the think they're getting any of my money or support for this junk.

 

[BoredGuy]

well yeah, ya don't gotta buy it
but also don't assume that "Cap is Hydra" and there's no more to it
it's some stunt-y bulls***, for sure, but I don't expect this to be a permanent retcon to Cap's origin

 

[TalismanRing]

well yeah, ya don't gotta buy it
but also don't assume that "Cap is Hydra" and there's no more to it
it's some stunt-y bulls***, for sure, but I don't expect this to be a permanent retcon to Cap's origin

I'm just tired of all the character mangling gimmicks and the lack of cohesive or at times even coherent storytelling. Maybe I'm just too old for sh**.

 

[BoredGuy]

hahaha ahh yes, welcome to the club

 

[TalismanRing]

hahaha ahh yes, welcome to the club

Thanks, but this club sucks. t:

Of course Marvel Comics is probably thrilled they have Cap trending (and it's not the MCU this time) and the new character assassin/writer is thankful for fan's "passion"

• #SayNoToHYDRACap 28.7K Tweets
  

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

#GiveCaptainAmericaABoyfriend huh...
Internet...

 

[kguillou]

I can.....MAYBE get behind the idea if he was a sleeper agent that was just activated. Theres no way they can try to sell us that the Steve Rogers from Simon and Kirby was knowingly an agent of Hydra.

 

[TalismanRing]

#GiveCaptainAmericaABoyfriend huh...
Internet...

And yet the internet is still saner than Marvel Comics.

 

[TalismanRing]

I can.....MAYBE get behind the idea if he was a sleeper agent that was just activated. Theres no way they can try to sell us that the Steve Rogers from Simon and Kirby was knowingly an agent of Hydra.

Nah, it's horrible all around and even that scenario would trash his mother Sarah from the previews we're seeing

 

[BoredGuy]

And yet the internet is still saner than Marvel Comics.

At least Marvel Studios doesn't give in to stupid internet pressure like Marvel Comics does
they got their plan, and they typically stick with it

but yeah, just watch, at the end of this arc, he'll go back to being good, but they'll reveal he was gay the entire time to appease the tiny twitter mob

lol

 

[Ninjablade]

I'm just tired of all the character mangling gimmicks and the lack of cohesive or at times even coherent storytelling. Maybe I'm just too old for sh**.

Coming from the younger side of the comic club, I agree with you. It's quite sad that I can't really enjoy new stories of my favorite characters in the very medium they were created in.

 

[Loki882]

Spoiler

His mission is to further the goals and beliefs of Hydra," explained Brevoort. "If that involves taking down the Marvel universe, sure. (But) it may not be as simple as that. It’s not like he’s exchanged his white hat for a black hat — it’s a green hat. We knew it would be like slapping people in the face. The idea of Captain America means something very primal and very strong to the people of this nation, and they have a very visceral reaction when you get to something like that. You want people to feel and react to your story. So far, so good."

Yeah that's some "brilliant" logic there hey Brevoort, ugh. Because this is totally a story that needed to be told.

 

[StormC]

You might as well make Black Panther a member of the KKK.

 

[Chesterfield]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...d-frozen-twitter-20160524-snap-htmlstory.html

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Yeah I hope it's not permanent...I'm a huge fan of Captain America and this is one comic I won't waste my money on.

 

[OcStat]

I was excited to see the return of Steve Rogers as Captain America. Much less inclined now but that doesn't mean the story won't be good in the end. I stopped reading Captain America when Sam took the mantle, not because I didn't like Sam as Cap, but because they made it impossible to like Sam as Cap when they gave him two of headlining books in the middle of AXIS when everyone is inverted. So you pick up Captain America 1 or Captain America and the Mighty Avengers one and you see Captain America being a huge jerk. The passing of the torch from Steve to Sam in Remender's run did seem rushed though after Bucky Cap just a few years prior.

And I have no problem with a gay Captain America, but that isn't Steve Rogers, and nothing in the movies has hinted otherwise.

 

[Anita18]

Hah, a friend bribed me with a copy of the most recent comic to get me to look over his resume, and I was like, "NO"

 

[Rote]

As for me, I always loved Steve with Peggy, now I would actually prefer Steve with Wanda, especially after CW, but people here seems very uneducated in notions of human sexuality:
- One. Bisexual people actually EXIST.
- Two. Sometimes it takes a lot of time to come to terms with your own sexuality. I know a girl, who actually dated with A LOT of guys and ONLY guys before she admitted to herself that it was not what could make her truly happy, because she actually felt more romantic connection with girls.
So, in the MCU Steve has never even been in a single long-term relationship with a woman, he grew up in the 40s, when homosexuality was strictly forbidden, he can't actually know for sure what he wants if he hasn't tried it. And yet you all claim that he's DEFINITELY heterosexual? What is wrong with you people?

As for the Marvel comics - seriously? I suppose they made him

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nazi

because being bisexual would be more controversial.

 

[OcStat]

As for me, I always loved Steve with Peggy, now I would actually prefer Steve with Wanda, especially after CW, but people here seems very uneducated in notions of human sexuality:
- One. Bisexual people actually EXIST.
- Two. Sometimes it takes a lot of time to come to terms with your own sexuality. I know a girl, who actually dated with A LOT of guys and ONLY guys before she admitted to herself that it was not what could make her truly happy, because she actually felt more romantic connection with girls.
So, in the MCU Steve has never even been in a single long-term relationship with a woman, he grew up in the 40s, when homosexuality was strictly forbidden, he can't actually know for sure what he wants if he hasn't tried it. And yet you all claim that he's DEFINITELY heterosexual? What is wrong with you people?

That's a good point. He could be undecided because he has never been in a long term relationship. But I don't think you can say the movie presents any real notion of an unspoken romance between James Barnes and Steve Rogers.